bluesofa Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Dave67 said: Can someone remind me I Recall High speed bullshit express Line 1 was China to Lam Chabang, Is this one part of High speed bullshit express line 2 or 3 ? I think it depends on whether there's an 'R' in the month. Give it another few months, we could be up to 5 or 6... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) that's fair enough...I personally think Thailand was getting in over their head at those speeds.. Edited January 19, 2018 by mok199 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlQaholic Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 If they just use the good old Thai diesel trains there will be significant cost savings.....Which then can be used to purchase a few submarines, surveillance balloons or even a rocket to send the first Thai astronaut into orbit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, mok199 said: that's fair enough...I personally think Thailand was getting in over their head at those speeds...200 sound fine I believed that the 180 speed will accommodate the cargo aspect of the business. Makes better business sense. That will meant a reversal to the original previous government infrastructure strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlQaholic Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Why don't they just gradually upgrade the whole rail system overall, like in Malaysia? Guess which one is the Thai train? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shady86 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Looking at the culture here of procuring things as cheap as possible, I'm pretty sure they will run out of budget to maintain the rails and trains so everything will end up being abandoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelJohn Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I guess when it's finished it won't even achieve the expected 180-200 km per hr due to some shortcut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton Rd Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I would not want to be on a very fast train maintained and driven by Thais, if it were a Japanese one no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 On a practical note, without any sign of a slur, might the government consider the fact that the difference in maximum speed between the existing line of 120 km/h and the projected maximum speed of the new to build line of, say, 190 km/h is not worth the investment. It might be better to forget building new lines and spend the money on upgrading the existing lines for higher speeds and buying pendolino rolling stock suitable for, say, 200 km/h? Yes, even on 1 metre gauge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, shady86 said: Looking at the culture here of procuring things as cheap as possible, I'm pretty sure they will run out of budget to maintain the rails and trains so everything will end up being abandoned. Buying as cheap as possible is normal practice everywhere in the world. Cost overruns are also normal all over the world because of this practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave67 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 50 minutes ago, AlQaholic said: If they just use the good old Thai diesel trains there will be significant cost savings.....Which then can be used to purchase a few submarines, surveillance balloons or even a rocket to send the first Thai astronaut into orbit! You're way behind, on that last suggestion ... http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Phirada-poised-to-become-first-Thai-to-go-into-out-30226264.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikmar Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 20 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: It defeats the point really having a fast train service go slower. Then again it is pointless having a BTS system that has so few carriages that there are so big queues, that using public transport to reduce road traffic congestion, is worthless. Must be another 'Thainess' concept I haven't got my head round, even after 17 years living here full time. Yes, I had the same thoughts when I read about it in the news a little while back, about the slower 'fast train' that is. I wondered at that time what else might be cut and so make it a pointless issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincolnshire poacher Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 20 hours ago, transam said: Now that is what I would call a real high speed locomotive. Thailand could have more of these built in England and corner the SE Asian market for trainspotters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 15 hours ago, chickenslegs said: I have a mental image of the next government visiting the Treasury and finding it stacked with cash around the outside, but hollow and empty in the centre - something like those rice warehouses of a few years ago. I'll tell you what's mental. Your allusion to there being a "next" government. That's what's mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12DrinkMore Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, shady86 said: Looking at the culture here of procuring things as cheap as possible, I'm pretty sure they will run out of budget to maintain the rails and trains so everything will end up being abandoned. Not sure about that. There have been more than a few incidences of paying way over the top for stuff, such as bomb detectors, airport scanning systems, millitary hardware. The reason why the funds dry up is because they get syphoned into too many pockets along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, webfact said: Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha, who leads the country's junta, instructed transport officials to consider reducing the top speed from 300kph to between 180kph and 200kph. So just a little slower than the double decker bus convoys Edited January 19, 2018 by canuckamuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincolnshire poacher Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 56 minutes ago, hansnl said: On a practical note, without any sign of a slur, might the government consider the fact that the difference in maximum speed between the existing line of 120 km/h and the projected maximum speed of the new to build line of, say, 190 km/h is not worth the investment. It might be better to forget building new lines and spend the money on upgrading the existing lines for higher speeds and buying pendolino rolling stock suitable for, say, 200 km/h? Yes, even on 1 metre gauge! Can you think of another country in the world that runs trains at 200 KmPH on metre gauge ? I can't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, madmitch said: Anything above 50kph is a major improvement on the existing service! ...only as long as it stays on the tracks. Edited January 19, 2018 by NanLaew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincolnshire poacher Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 15 hours ago, shady86 said: Japan could sell them the decommissioned first generation of bullet trains from the 1970s which runs at max 200km/h! Or just give them free. Quite true, Thailand accepts a lot of old Japanese rollig stock at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincolnshire poacher Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 15 hours ago, Dave67 said: The speed doesn't really make much difference to the price most tracks even metros have tolerances similar to high speed.Still the same viaducts, tunnels and land formation. Unless they are going for wooden sleeper and ballast,. But then again it was all probably bullshit from the start Maybe, but not on metre gauge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, lincolnshire poacher said: Quite true, Thailand accepts a lot of old Japanese rollig stock at the moment Here's some previously rolled stock. Not sure where it's from originally but it didn't get to where it was going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincolnshire poacher Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 hours ago, RichardColeman said: My guess is that they want a cheaper train as it will cost less to replace when it hits a pick-up on the rail-crossing ! There will be no level crossings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincolnshire poacher Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Cadbury said: The speed of the train was never going to be 300kph as claimed in this story. It was always intended to be 250kph so a drop of around 50kph is not so big deal. Poor reporting. So here they are debating how fast it will go and how much will they spend only weeks before they promised construction would begin next month. Typical military style bungling governance. So can it be expected the same will apply to the Chinese fast train line through to Nong Khai? Presumably the budgets for both have been revised downward because of other financial pressures. IMHO the chances of these high speed trains ever happening is almost nil. This military junta seems to have trouble making even the most simplest things happen including holding an election and clearing footpaths. Procurring Chinese submarines appears to be going ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 20 hours ago, transam said: Mallard was good for over a ton , my Forza if pressed would get close to the ton and the number is 4479 A3 Robert the Devil . Sorry , where's me anorak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincolnshire poacher Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, NanLaew said: Here's some previously rolled stock. Not sure where it's from originally but it didn't get to where it was going. It rolled though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincolnshire poacher Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, toofarnorth said: Mallard was good for over a ton , my Forza if pressed would get close to the ton and the number is 4479 A3 Robert the Devil . Sorry , where's me anorak. Mallard was good for slightly more than 200KmPH, your anorak is still in left luggage, if you are lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry921 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 20 hours ago, transam said: I'm not sure everyone fully appreciated the applicability of this suggestion. The LNER 4468 set the all-time steam speed record at 203kph, which would land it nicely in the middle of the new suggested 180-220kph target range. And of course steam is much more environmentally friendly than diesel, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNER_4468_Mallard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincolnshire poacher Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, NanLaew said: ...only as long as it stays on the tracks. So it will be a faster slow train if they can get it to stay on the rails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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