SURVEY: Do you want Trump to finish his first term?

[Jingthing]

Impeachment-worthy storm clouds (not to mention Stormy Daniels clouds) gathering over the trump very white house --

 

 

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If Trump’s own advisers think he has obstructed justice, how could Republicans decide otherwise?

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The evidence of obstruction is simply overwhelming at this point. “Mueller and his team surely have evidence on obstruction of justice that has not yet been made public,” writes Jeffrey Toobin in the New Yorker. “But even on the available evidence, Trump’s position looks perilous indeed. The portrait is of a President using every resource at his disposal to shut down an investigation—of Trump himself. And now it has become clear that Trump’s own White House counsel rebelled at the President’s rationale for his actions.”

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/01/28/if-trumps-own-advisers-think-he-has-obstructed-justice-how-could-republicans-decide-otherwise/

Edited January 28, 2018 by Jingthing

[Scott]

Numerous off-topic posts and replies have been removed -- about 35.   The topic ISN'T about WWI,II, Korea or Vietnam.   Also, many trolling deflections removed.   

[lannarebirth]

21 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Impeachment-worthy storm clouds (not to mention Stormy Daniels clouds) gathering over the trump very white house --

 

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/01/28/if-trumps-own-advisers-think-he-has-obstructed-justice-how-could-republicans-decide-otherwise/

 

I think it is clear Trump did all or most of the things cited in the article. I'm not sure if all or most or any of those things rise to the level of obstruction of justice. If they do then he is guilty of that.  I'm much more interested in actual crimes he may have been a party too though. People will be uneasy if no underlying crime is found (not saying that will be the case) and the only chargable crime is procedural rather than substantive.

[Credo]

I really don't want someone who takes their slogan from this:

 

[selftaopath]

19 hours ago, Jingthing said:

While this thread asks whether you WANT trump to finish his first term or not, for discussion purposes here are ways that any president might not finish a term:

 

-- Impeachment by congress and then conviction by the senate

 

-- Resignation due to political pressure/ legal problems / scandal, etc. 

 

-- Resignation for actual serious health problems (other than an excuse for the real reasons)

 

-- Natural death in office

 

-- Assassination

It's important to note that IMPEACHMENT only will not remove him. It might lead to resignation, but to be forced out by impeachment, the senate must convict.

LOL I know which one or two I'd choose. 

[selftaopath]

18 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

I hear that people do not want Pence to take over if Trump were to leave, but I say let Trump finish.

 

The reason that I want Trump to finish is that I think he will do so much damage to the Republican party brand that they will not be able to be elected again for a very, very long time. Think of it; now the Republican party is one where 'Pussy-grabbing' is okay, where it is okay to harass and abuse women (17 at last count), it is okay to demonize people based on the colour of their skin, it is okay to discriminate against people based on their religion, it is okay to violate every political norm out there, it is okay to lie several times a day, it is okay to screw over the people who voted for you, Etc. Etc. Etc.

 

The above is what Trump supporters have allowed.

 

Let all Republicans everywhere have Trump's name tattooed on their forehead for life! 

 

The potential for Trump becoming a dictator increases daily. So his immediate removal is crucial. 

[lannarebirth]

9 minutes ago, selftaopath said:

The potential for Trump becoming a dictator increases daily. So his immediate removal is crucial. 

There's a lot about Trump to be critical of, but you should strive to keep your comments grounded in reality.

[Bluespunk]

5 hours ago, alex8912 said:

I think you think you know what people think but I think you are wrong. 

Nope. 

[wayned]

It could be that Mueller is pursuing the obstruction of justice and abuse of power charges to either get Trump to quit or have congress initiate impeachment  of him.. He might have other criminal charges against him, Kushner, Don Jr., Ivanka, and other members of Trumps  circle but wants Trump to leave office before he charges them as he knows that Trump would pardon then.   Once he's out of office that option disappears.  I really don't think that Trump will ever resign and if they do impeach him they'll have to carry him out of the White House kicking and screaming!

[Silurian]

Oh, Donny John, the FBI, the FBI are calling
From door to door, and nowhere to hide.
America's gone and trust in you is falling,
It's you, it's you that must go, as we chide.

 

Never come back, go hide in the shadow,
And when your voice is hushed and jailed below.
We'll be here in sunshine without your ego,
Oh Donny John, oh Donny John, you must go.
 

(Sung to the tune of Danny boy)

 

[papa al]

 

[Thakkar]

6 hours ago, bendejo said:

20 hours ago, heybruce said:

If you look at his policies regarding Iran, Pakistan, Israel, Israel, Turkey, and North Korea, any assumption that he won't start more wars is optimistic.

 

He's not a fighter/warrior, he's a bully and enjoys getting a rise out of people.

He's still the snot-nosed punk-arsed brat he was at age 13.

 

 

One can only hope that you are right and that heybruce is overly pessimistic. If you are right, whatever harms Trump inflicts will be fixable. If heybruce is right, the devastation wrought in some regions will be, well, devastating. Some leaders, like Kim, may be deserving of annihilation, but the people aren’t.  

 

Under the circumstances, self interest (if you’re living in those areas) and empathy (if you’re living a safe distance away) demands heybruce’s kind of pessimism of us all.

[boomerangutang]

Anyone who donates to Republican party candidates, including Trump, should know their money is partly going to pay hush money to prostitutes.  Just sayin'....   If you like spending money for Trump's 'hush money', then fine, keep donating to Trump.

[Thakkar]

4 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

Anyone who donates to Republican party candidates, including Trump, should know their money is partly going to pay hush money to prostitutes.  Just sayin'....   If you like spending money for Trump's 'hush money', then fine, keep donating to Trump.

 

Sorry for stealing your schitck, but you’re missing some major analogies here: since these Republicans use their elected office to vote away our rights and give our money to the 1%, it’s not even like paying for someone *else* to have sex; it’s closer to like paying someone else to have sex with your wife.

 

you are welcome.

[heybruce]

8 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

Just for fun how about a  poll called "Would You Rather", pitting a Trump presidency against fictitious presidencies of other Rep. and Dem. luminaries.  I imagine Trump would come out looking pretty good against the likes of Newt Gingrich, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Rand Paul, etc.  It would have just about as much bearing on what may happen as this poll does.

You want a deflection poll?

 

You imagine Trump would look good compared to experienced, rational politicians.  I strongly disagree, most people would rather see anyone but Trump in the White House.  But there's no need for a deflection poll to see who's correct.

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I think it is clear Trump did all or most of the things cited in the article. I'm not sure if all or most or any of those things rise to the level of obstruction of justice. If they do then he is guilty of that.  I'm much more interested in actual crimes he may have been a party too though. People will be uneasy if no underlying crime is found (not saying that will be the case) and the only chargable crime is procedural rather than substantive.

As has been explained before, an impeachable offense is anything the House of Representatives agrees on.  Impeachment follows if two thirds of the Senate agree.

[boomerangutang]

1 hour ago, Thakkar said:

Sorry for stealing your schitck, but you’re missing some major analogies here: since these Republicans use their elected office to vote away our rights and give our money to the 1%, it’s not even like paying for someone *else* to have sex; it’s closer to like paying someone else to have sex with your wife.

you are welcome.

As soon as Trump won the Republican nod, summer of '16, he immediately tripled the rents for suites at Trump Towers.  He knew a bunch of rooms would be rented out by campaign workers and secret service.  He never misses a chance to commercialize things.  I wouldn't be surprised if he bottles and sells run-off from his golden toilet as 'holy water.'  He gives 'Trickle Down' a whole new dimension.  

[bendejo]

Is it possible that if it truly hits the fan then Air Force One makes a visit to the boss in Moscow and returns without him? From there, where he lives in a splendid dacha, he encourages his loyalists in the USA to cause mischief.

Does this scenario ring a bell?  Already, Devin Nunes is his Jatuporn.

 

It is not a political movement, it is a cult of personality.  This is what blew up in Bannon's face a few weeks ago: he thought he could take Trump-ism as a political ideology and become the new leader of it, but the followers ain't following him.  They love their Cheeto.  The one positive regarding DT is that he is not an ideologue, his only doctrine is narcissism.

 

And on the subject of Bannon (how can a guy who is so rich so convincingly look like he sleeps behind a dumpster?) he had been saying all along it was the REPUBLICANS who want DT ousted.  All that stuff about dementia has do with his own party.  His removal from office with Pence in ascendancy will constitute a GOP victory.

 

 

 

[thaihome]

Though not by any means a Trump supporter,  I voted yes that my preference is he finish his one term. Primarily because I would find a Pence led administration much more objectionable. Pence is truly a threat to democracy while Trump is basicly just an embarrassment.  

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/01/gods-plan-for-mike-pence/546569/

 

The key is for the Democratic Party to gain control of the Senate this year to avoid any new supreme court and other federal judiciary  confirmations. After that Trump is fairly harmless. 

TH 

Edited January 29, 2018 by thaihome

[dick dasterdly]

2 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

Anyone who donates to Republican party candidates, including Trump, should know their money is partly going to pay hush money to prostitutes.  Just sayin'....   If you like spending money for Trump's 'hush money', then fine, keep donating to Trump.

You're probably in the wrong forum to talk about paying money to prostitutes....

[Silurian]

15 minutes ago, thaihome said:

The key is for the Democratic Party to gain control of the Senate this year to avoid any new supreme court and other federal judiciary  confirmations. After that Trump is fairly harmless. 

 

The most likely outcome of the midterms is that Democrats take the House but not the Senate. If there is a Democratic House and a Republican Senate, then who knows if anything major will get accomplished. It is hard enough as it is with just one party in power. You would think there should be a flurry of activity in government for Republicans to push through as much legislation as possible before losing the House. But it seems most of the major bills are stuck. The underlying issue seems to be a lack of a coherent strategy from the WH. The last person in the room to speak seems to drive things at the WH. Either that or the WH gets its direction from Fox and Friends.

 

[riclag]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

You imagine Trump would look good compared to experienced, rational politicians.  I strongly disagree, most people would rather see anyone but Trump in the White House.  But there's no need for a deflection poll to see who's correct.

The day's of the politicians are gone .Most people are sick of the career  politicians.In fact the poll that mattered took place on 11-08-16

Edited January 29, 2018 by riclag

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, riclag said:

The day's of the politicians are gone .Most people are sick of the career  politicians.In fact the poll that mattered took place on 11-08-16

The one that trump lost? Yep.

 

CLINTON 65,844,954

trump 62,979,879

 

 

Edited January 29, 2018 by Jingthing

[ballpoint]

3 hours ago, bendejo said:

Is it possible that if it truly hits the fan then Air Force One makes a visit to the boss in Moscow and returns without him? From there, where he lives in a splendid dacha, he encourages his loyalists in the USA to cause mischief....

I thought the same thing when it was revealed that he had asked the Guggenheim for the loan of the melancholy Van Gogh painting "Landscape with snow".  He wants to get used to the view before defecting.  (And sell the painting when he gets there).  Next he'll be requesting a comic strip version of "The cherry orchard".

[RickBradford]

It's a year gone by, and the Social Justice Warrior types still haven't got over the reality of President Trump.

 

Business must be mighty brisk among the psychologists with an insight into Trump Derangement Syndrome (or those who pretend they do).

 

I'm no great fan of President Trump, but this chronic hysteria about his presidency is disturbing on many levels, and almost pathological.

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

It's a year gone by, and the Social Justice Warrior types still haven't got over the reality of President Trump.

 

Business must be mighty brisk among the psychologists with an insight into Trump Derangement Syndrome (or those who pretend they do).

 

I'm no great fan of President Trump, but this chronic hysteria about his presidency is disturbing on many levels, and almost pathological.

Why is it that so many obvious trump supporters put on an act of not supporting him? Nobody is fooled. We can very easily tell by the content of the posts other than the disclaimers.

Edited January 29, 2018 by Jingthing

[RickBradford]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Why is it that so many obvious trump supporters put on an act of not supporting him? Nobody is fooled. We can very easily tell by the content of the posts other than the disclaimers.

I'm not a Trump supporter. I think he's unfit to be president of the United States. But marginally less unfit for that office than Hillary Clinton.

[Jingthing]

Just now, RickBradford said:

I'm not a Trump supporter. I think he's unfit to be president of the United States. But marginally less unfit for that office than Hillary Clinton.

Sure thing, mate. 

[Jingthing]

Impeachable Offence!

 

"Grounds for impeachment if Trump lied about trying to fire Mueller" – Ken Starr

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/28/trump-robert-mueller-russia-ken-starr

Edited January 29, 2018 by Jingthing

[Thakkar]

1 minute ago, RickBradford said:

I'm not a Trump supporter. I think he's unfit to be president of the United States. But marginally less unfit for that office than Hillary Clinton.

And there you have it. The other shoe drops. No matter how bad Trump is in ACTUALLY being president, he can NEVER be as bad as a hypothetical president Hillary Clinton.  If Trump nukes the world, well at least he didn’t nuke the world AND another nearby planet like Hillary would’ve.