Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[soalbundy]

8 minutes ago, oldlakey said:

Wow I am glad I did not vote if Brexit is going to effect all that lot 5555555555

It will affect the youth of the UK, the best and adventurist types wont want to stay in Birmingham or Liverpool or spend their lives in bed sitters in London that take up most of their salary. Having said that I managed to escape the UK when work permits and resident permits in Europe were still required so there is hope for them yet but now they will have to jump through a few hoops.

I had a bad accident in Zargreb as a 19 year old, after 10 operations I returned to the UK after my Yugoslavian surgeon told me I should get my badly broken nose fixed after waiting three months. The panel of 'experts' at the NHS gave me an appointment in 2 or 3 years. While I had been working in Germany just 6 months I had the flu and visited a doctor who casually said I should get my nose fixed, "I'll get you a hospital appointment for next week,is that alright." It's just different.

[Kieran00001]

On 28/02/2018 at 6:35 AM, FritsSikkink said:

Has NOTHING to do with Brexit, it hasn't even happened yet. It is the Tory government who is responsible

 

They are suggesting that services are degrading because there is no longer anyone at the helm and that this is due to the government being preoccupied by Brexit, the premise of the article is Brexit is just too much for this government.

[oldlakey]

6 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

The EU protects indigenous communities, the indigenous of Britain voted remain, the English have learnt nothing from historical acts of evil, hence their desire to be free from the European Court of Human Rights.

Short memory is your problem my good man

 

[oldlakey]

10 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

It will affect the youth of the UK, the best and adventurist types wont want to stay in Birmingham or Liverpool or spend their lives in bed sitters in London that take up most of their salary. Having said that I managed to escape the UK when work permits and resident permits in Europe were still required so there is hope for them yet but now they will have to jump through a few hoops.

I had a bad accident in Zargreb as a 19 year old, after 10 operations I returned to the UK after my Yugoslavian surgeon told me I should get my badly broken nose fixed after waiting three months. The panel of 'experts' at the NHS gave me an appointment in 2 or 3 years. While I had been working in Germany just 6 months I had the flu and visited a doctor who casually said I should get my nose fixed, "I'll get you a hospital appointment for next week,is that alright." It's just different.

I am not really interested in your life story or why you have such a chip on your shoulder

[Kieran00001]

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

100% wrong.

 

Fantastic argumentative skills.  

 

As a whole Celtic Britain voted remain, fact.  The EU protects the indigenous tribes of Britain, fact.  The English want out of the ECHR, fact.  I suspect they want out due to their failure to learn of historical acts of evil, even their own evil acts committed against the indigenous British, but that's not a fact, that's just my supposition following my consideration of the facts.

[Kieran00001]

5 minutes ago, oldlakey said:

Short memory is your problem my good man

 

 

Sure, because I am considering the maltreatment by the English for the past 600 years and that's real short term.

[oldlakey]

1 minute ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Sure, because I am considering the maltreatment by the English for the past 600 years and that's real short term.

Join the queue 

[soalbundy]

5 minutes ago, aright said:

That's very interesting!

Prosecution of German Politicians for Bribery a Difficult Task

As the UN continues a campaign to crack down on global political corruption, the German Parliament has balked at reforming its own anti-corruption laws.

When is a bribe a bribe?

In the kind of case that infuriates anti-corruption campaigners, a long-time member of parliament for the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia escaped sentencing although he had accepted 95,000 euros ($127,700) from a construction company.

A regional court in Düsseldorf did find that Wilhelm Droste of the conservative Christian Democratic Union did accept the money but could not decide whether the money was a bribe or a payment for "general good behavior."

After the decision Droste referred to the Court’s decision as "glorious."

so undecided, he wasn't proven guilty (he probably was) I presume he was a 'consultant'. May shouted it out for all and sundry to hear.

One of the corrupt conservative politicians (never proven) in the era of Kanzler Schmidt was Franz Joseph Strauss who openly said that a little corruption was the oil that kept the motors of industry rolling, he changed one of the poorest regions of Germany (Bavaria) into one of the richest within a few years. I am no fan of corruption but done wisely it can have its benefits. What Droste did I have no idea, the decision I find to be regrettable. I can understand May's decision but you don't shout such things out from the roof tops. 

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Fantastic argumentative skills.  

 

As a whole Celtic Britain voted remain, fact.  The EU protects the indigenous tribes of Britain, fact.  The English want out of the ECHR, fact.  I suspect they want out due to their failure to learn of historical acts of evil, even their own evil acts committed against the indigenous British, but that's not a fact, that's just my supposition following my consideration of the facts.

Indigenous Britons are not normally classified as pre-Roman Celts or Picts these days, unless you are a Celt or a Pict, I suppose! The Anglo-Saxons etc are often included in this group as a more modern consensus. But don't think that the EU cares about any of us the way that you seem to believe it do. If you are keen for your heritage to be protected then I am I surprised that you voted remain (I assume). 

 

 

[soalbundy]

9 minutes ago, oldlakey said:

I am not really interested in your life story or why you have such a chip on your shoulder

No chip, it's just different in a nice way, I hear patients who need operations in the UK can,in some cases, be moved to EU hospitals for treatment, strange that they have places. The NHS used to be the envy of the world, it has gone downhill because not enough money is available. Health services don't come cheap, there should be higher deductions from salaries to pay for the system, my deductions in Germany were around 800 Euro's a month (half paid by the employer) for health care, that was 13 years ago what it is now I don't know. You get what you pay for.

[Grouse]

58 minutes ago, aright said:

That's very interesting!

Prosecution of German Politicians for Bribery a Difficult Task

As the UN continues a campaign to crack down on global political corruption, the German Parliament has balked at reforming its own anti-corruption laws.

When is a bribe a bribe?

In the kind of case that infuriates anti-corruption campaigners, a long-time member of parliament for the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia escaped sentencing although he had accepted 95,000 euros ($127,700) from a construction company.

A regional court in Düsseldorf did find that Wilhelm Droste of the conservative Christian Democratic Union did accept the money but could not decide whether the money was a bribe or a payment for "general good behavior."

After the decision Droste referred to the Court’s decision as "glorious."

Can you still get those nice Droste round chocolates? Not seen them in yonks

[oldlakey]

8 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

No chip, it's just different in a nice way, I hear patients who need operations in the UK can,in some cases, be moved to EU hospitals for treatment, strange that they have places. The NHS used to be the envy of the world, it has gone downhill because not enough money is available. Health services don't come cheap, there should be higher deductions from salaries to pay for the system, my deductions in Germany were around 800 Euro's a month (half paid by the employer) for health care, that was 13 years ago what it is now I don't know. You get what you pay for.

You have got a very pronounced chip on your shoulder as far as the UK in general goes

Not just this particular thread but others as well

A grammar policeman connecting it to eastenders on more than one occasion

Its obvious you have got baggage 

As far as social benefits / health services are concerned some countries provide more than others, quite

No good is going to come of this so I will refrain from further comment

I offer you the last word

 

 

[malagateddy]

Grouse..your true colours are really coming to the fore..DUP..inbreds..you are a very very bitter republican who hates the Union and all those who support it.
Want to talk about scummy torbett cos bjk !!!?????

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[Grouse]

13 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Grouse..your true colours are really coming to the fore..DUP..inbreds..you are a very very bitter republican who hates the Union and all those who support it.
Want to talk about scummy torbett cos bjk !!!?????

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I am a Royalist. My family has upheld the crown for several centuries.

 

My signet ring shows this

 

 

 

 

 

"Fierce when roused"

Edited March 6, 2018 by Grouse

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I am a Royalist. My family has upheld the crown for several centuries.

I believe its closed now.

[oldlakey]

2 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I am a Royalist. My family has upheld the crown for several centuries.

 

My signet ring shows this

That will explain why you dont respect the will of the people

[Air Smiles]

1 minute ago, oldlakey said:

That will explain why you dont respect the will of the people

 

Do you respect the will of the people that want another referendum?

Edited March 6, 2018 by Air Smiles

[malagateddy]

Did torbett give you the ring to buy " silence "

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[Grouse]

4 minutes ago, oldlakey said:

That will explain why you dont respect the will of the people

Who?

 

Never heard of them

[Grouse]

3 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Did torbett give you the ring to buy " silence "

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Over my head, that one.

 

My ring is VERY old. My son's one belonged to my great grandfather. Highland Scots you see ....

[oldlakey]

1 minute ago, Air Smiles said:

 

Do you respect the will of the people that want another referendum?

If at an appropriate time in the future one becomes necessary for whatever reason then one will take place

Rather different from what you want and what you want it for

How many times do you lot need to be told, you are getting rather boring

[aright]

21 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Can you still get those nice Droste round chocolates? Not seen them in yonks

You can in Russia. I understand Sergei Skripal is a great fan.

[oldlakey]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

Over my head, that one.

 

My ring is VERY old. My son's one belonged to my great grandfather. Highland Scots you see ....

I could say I have never heard of them, but thats not an option for some people

[puck2]

1 hour ago, aright said:

That's very interesting!

Prosecution of German Politicians for Bribery a Difficult Task

As the UN continues a campaign to crack down on global political corruption, the German Parliament has balked at reforming its own anti-corruption laws.

When is a bribe a bribe?

In the kind of case that infuriates anti-corruption campaigners, a long-time member of parliament for the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia escaped sentencing although he had accepted 95,000 euros ($127,700) from a construction company.

A regional court in Düsseldorf did find that Wilhelm Droste of the conservative Christian Democratic Union did accept the money but could not decide whether the money was a bribe or a payment for "general good behavior."

After the decision Droste referred to the Court’s decision as "glorious."

Interesting. Why? Because you learned from Kellyanne Conway about alternative facts. The judgement you are referring to was in 2006/7, but didn't finish the trial.

 

The fact is/was, at the end, in 2009, Droste payed a fine of 100.000 Euro + 15.000 € fine for a second similar trial +500 hour work without any payment. The (complicated) judicial procedure stopped in accordance with the law (§153a StPO).

[dundee48]

1 hour ago, aright said:

Your £10 billion was actually £1 billion and it was money well spent. 

Correct aright,funny how the usual suspects didn`t pounce on that lie that it was £10b when they were so quick to jump all over other posters saying "if it isn`t challenged the lie will be taken as fact".

Hypocrites.

[aright]

9 minutes ago, puck2 said:

Interesting. Why? Because you learned from Kellyanne Conway about alternative facts. The judgement you are referring to was in 2006/7, but didn't finish the trial.

 

The fact is/was, at the end, in 2009, Droste payed a fine of 100.000 Euro + 15.000 € fine for a second similar trial +500 hour work without any payment. The (complicated) judicial procedure stopped in accordance with the law (§153a StPO).

So grateful for you clearing the matter up.

[Air Smiles]

30 minutes ago, oldlakey said:

If at an appropriate time in the future one becomes necessary for whatever reason then one will take place

Rather different from what you want and what you want it for

How many times do you lot need to be told, you are getting rather boring

 

I'll take that as a No.

 

"Will of the people" should only be implemented when it suits the Brexiteer agenda, CHECK!

 

[oldlakey]

1 minute ago, Air Smiles said:

 

I'll take that as a No.

 

"Will of the people" should only be implemented when it suits the Brexiteer agenda, CHECK!

 

I spent a while typing that my man so I would prefer you take it for what it says

Although that looks like it could be too much to ask

 

[aright]

1 minute ago, Air Smiles said:

 

I'll take that as a No.

 

"Will of the people" should only be implemented when it suits the Brexiteer agenda, CHECK!

 

A democratically elected Prime Minister agreed to a democratically held referendum the result of which was overwhelmingly endorsed by the democratically elected lower house which triggered article 50 by a democratically elected Government.

Job done!

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, soalbundy said:

I would like the youth of Europe to have the same chances as I did, freedom of travel and employment

With respect, if you're nearly 70 you'll know people had that same freedom before the EU existed. Younger people seem to think the British were all marooned on the British Isles before the EU was formed, and that we couldn't go anywhere.

 

Have you forgotten Auf Weidersehen, Pet?

 

We've always been a nation of travellers and always will be.