Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[Air Smiles]

3 minutes ago, aright said:

A democratically elected Prime Minister agreed to a democratically held referendum the result of which was overwhelmingly endorsed by the democratically elected lower house which triggered article 50 by a democratically elected Government.

Job done!

 

I heard you loud and clear:

 

"Will of the people" should only be implemented when it suits the Brexiteer agenda, CHECK!

[aright]

2 minutes ago, Air Smiles said:

 

I heard you loud and clear:

 

"Will of the people" should only be implemented when it suits the Brexiteer agenda, CHECK!

I can explain the process to you but I can't understand it for you.

[CG1 Blue]

3 minutes ago, Air Smiles said:

"Will of the people" should only be implemented when it suits the Brexiteer agenda, CHECK!

Or perhaps when the government say they will implement the result of a referendum?

[CG1 Blue]

3 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

In any referendum that I've heard about people were given firm facts of for and against. That most certainly wasn't the case with Brexit.

Firm facts about the future were not available. Brexit has never happened before. The experts can't even correctly forecast a country's GDP in the next 12 months, so how can they possibly forecast something with so many possibilities and moving parts?

 

3 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

No-one was given any firm facts at all, and exiters largely voted on keeping immigration figures down.

Brexiteers voted for a multitude of reasons, but overwhelmingly the reasons amounted to wanting independence and self governance.

 

3 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

What they didn't know and weren't told was that far more immigrants come to the UK from outside the EU than from within it

We were told this almost daily. Maybe you didn't see any of the debates?

The point you're missing is that we have control over non-EU migration, even if we decide to allow it. So going forward, if we need more doctors from India we can allow more to come.  The same could apply if Poland had a glut of skilled plumbers and we needed them.

 

[Air Smiles]

16 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Brexiteers voted for a multitude of reasons, but overwhelmingly the reasons amounted to wanting independence and self governance.

 

 

It will come as a great shock to the Brexiteers when they discover the Tories have signed back up all of the EU's rules.

[citybiker]

  It will come as a great shock to the Brexiteers when they discover the Tories have signed back up all of the EU's rules.

 

So divergence not mentioned then?

 

IIRC that’s not signing up to all however I do believe ‘similar was mentioned’ by PMTM thus Parliament regaining control.

 

Also an independent board to ‘take into account’ the ECJ not abide by it was also stated.

 

Lastly, All this following the result of the EU’s latest ridiculous 120 page document, complete with a refute by TM stating no U.K. PM would agree to it.

 

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[nontabury]

5 hours ago, soalbundy said:

I did

Well why are you living in Thailand? Remember life is very short.

[nontabury]

5 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

In any referendum that I've heard about people were given firm facts of for and against. That most certainly wasn't the case with Brexit. The answer to every question about it was 'We'll sort that out when we get to it'. No-one was given any firm facts at all, and exiters largely voted on keeping immigration figures down. What they didn't know and weren't told was that far more immigrants come to the UK from outside the EU than from within it. Indians, for one.

And the huge bogey in the room is the border with Ireland. It is an insoluble problem.

You seem to  be describing the lack of full, and true information, given to the electorate in 1975.

[Air Smiles]

23 minutes ago, citybiker said:

So divergence not mentioned then?

 

Divergence is just the spin that keeps the Brexiteers hypnotised.

 

Meanwhile the chief Brexit negotiator for the EU has already publicly declared there will be no special deal for the UK, which means the UK can make as many of their own rules as they wish as long as the outcome is exactly the same as the EU's current rules. The only difference will be the extra tariffs the UK will have to pay to keep everything exactly the same as it was before Brexit.

 

In a nutshell, a post-Brexit UK will pay more to the EU and have to follow the same EU rules as before. 

[Air Smiles]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

Why would that be a shock?  It's been highly publicised for months that this would be done at the outset.

 

Unfortunately someone forgot to publicise these facts as 'pictures of words in CAPS' so the Brexiteers don't know yet.

[CG1 Blue]

7 minutes ago, Air Smiles said:

 

Divergence is just the spin that keeps the Brexiteers hypnotised.

 

Meanwhile the chief Brexit negotiator for the EU has already publicly declared there will be no special deal for the UK, which means the UK can make as many of their own rules as they wish as long as the outcome is exactly the same as the EU's current rules. The only difference will be the extra tariffs the UK will have to pay to keep everything exactly the same as it was before Brexit.

 

In a nutshell, a post-Brexit UK will pay more to the EU and have to follow the same EU rules as before. 

You'd have to be naïve to believe all this bluster from the EU. They need our 45bn to rescue their budget for the next 5 years, and the member countries' key industries would suffer considerably if big tariffs were imposed on the UK.

 

The EU must do a deal, but they will bluff it right to the end. It's a pity really, and quite childish.

 

It baffles me how some Brits still think the EU are a good institution, and still want them to rule over us.  The EU's behaviour has been terrible during the negotiation period, and downright insulting to the UK on many occasions.

 

[CG1 Blue]

17 minutes ago, Air Smiles said:

 

Unfortunately someone forgot to publicise these facts as 'pictures of words in CAPS' so the Brexiteers don't know yet.

The old 'if you don't share my point of view you must be stupid' argument

[aright]

8 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

You'd have to be naïve to believe all this bluster from the EU. They need our 45bn to rescue their budget for the next 5 years, and the member countries' key industries would suffer considerably if big tariffs were imposed on the UK.

 

The EU must do a deal, but they will bluff it right to the end. It's a pity really, and quite childish.

 

It baffles me how some Brits still think the EU are a good institution, and still want them to rule over us.  The EU's behaviour has been terrible during the negotiation period, and downright insulting to the UK on many occasions.

 

I agree the EU has treated us with contempt during negotiations. 

 

The European  Commission continues to reject flatly any commonsense solution – so keen is it to mess with the Northern Ireland peace process to put pressure on May.

 

What kind of organisation deliberately frustrates a government seeking to implement the democratic will of its people? And what kind of people seek to aggravate ancient cross-border enmities, greatly improved but still fragile, just because a nation wants to leave the EU?

[Air Smiles]

15 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

You'd have to be naïve to believe all this bluster from the EU. They need our 45bn to rescue their budget for the next 5 years, and the member countries' key industries would suffer considerably if big tariffs were imposed on the UK.

 

The EU must do a deal, but they will bluff it right to the end. It's a pity really, and quite childish.

 

 

ROFL! ...Do you think a small country like the UK is going to hold the EU's feet to the fire?

 

It's not bluffing when you're sitting with the best hand at the table and you already know what your opponent has in their hand

 

There is a reason why the UK was forced to agree the £60bn divorce bill right at the start of the negotiation, does that sound like the actions of party who are in a strong negotiating position?

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Air Smiles said:

 

I heard you loud and clear:

 

"Will of the people" should only be implemented when it suits the Brexiteer agenda, CHECK!

Cameron was a reMOANER. Like you.

[citybiker]

 
ROFL! ...Do you think a small country like the UK is going to hold the EU's feet to the fire?
 
It's not bluffing when you're sitting with the best hand at the table and you already know what your opponent has in their hand
 
There is a reason why the UK was forced to agree the £60bn divorce bill right at the start of the negotiation, does that sound like the actions of party who are in a strong negotiating position?

£60Bn? Now I know your the thread comedian and a poor one at that.

Actually, the figure quoted was ‘up to’. £40bn in accordance with an agreed methodology, ie the UK’s previously agreed outstanding liabilities & pensions which has already been signed.

Yes, small country 2nd biggest net contributor, hence why the EU is having to revise it’s future budgetary commitments including reducing projects or Brillo telling the other MS’s to increase its subscriptions.


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[Scott]

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[aright]

16 minutes ago, Air Smiles said:

 

ROFL! ...Do you think a small country like the UK is going to hold the EU's feet to the fire?

 

It's not bluffing when you're sitting with the best hand at the table and you already know what your opponent has in their hand

 

There is a reason why the UK was forced to agree the £60bn divorce bill right at the start of the negotiation, does that sound like the actions of party who are in a strong negotiating position?

A small country??  We are the sixth largest trader of goods and services in the world.

Sitting  with a royal flush in your hand is of no value if the other player puts no money in the pot, gives the cards back to you and walks away from the table.

You need to read more £60 billion was asked for £40 billion was agreed. The EU needs the £40 billion to help balance its books. Threatening to walk away from the table and pay nothing if there is no deal is a strong negotiating position.

[malagateddy]

Hopefully it's the WTR for the UK..JRM as next PM..just watch Drunkard..Tusk..the Beer-bellied lump from Belgium ..Barnier etc etc soil their cosifits[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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[Air Smiles]

1 hour ago, citybiker said:

£60Bn? Now I know your the thread comedian and a poor one at that.

Actually, the figure quoted was ‘up to’. £40bn in accordance with an agreed methodology, ie the UK’s previously agreed outstanding liabilities & pensions which has already been signed.

 

The settlement figure was quoted in Euros, which does work out about £40bn at current exchange rates, but this money will be paid by the UK at post-Brexit rates so it will £60bn in real terms.

[citybiker]

Yet more threats, this time from a Irish Europhile

[url=https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-ryanair-threatens-to-ground-flights-to-make-voters-rethink-leaving-the-eu

 

Pathetic.

 

 

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[Khun Han]

6 minutes ago, citybiker said:

Yet more threats, this time from a Irish Europhile

Brexit news: Ryanair threatens to ground flights to make UK voters 'rethink' leaving the EU - Evening Standardhttps://apple.news/AoC226q85S9W4w-98zBcfVw

Pathetic.


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His threat, if genuine, should be of interest to the CAA.

[citybiker]

 
His threat, if genuine, should be of interest to the CAA.

Also EASA, as it has the legal regulatory authority, along with code of conduct and of course ethical aspect.


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[Air Smiles]

2 hours ago, aright said:

A small country??  We are the sixth largest trader of goods and services in the world.

Sitting  with a royal flush in your hand is of no value if the other player puts no money in the pot, gives the cards back to you and walks away from the table.

 

 

You don't seem to understand the basic arithmetic of the situation.

 

60% of UK exports are via the EU.

16% of EU exports are via the UK.

 

Who has the most to lose?

 

Lets not forget the EU member states who will be more than happy to gobble up the UK's 16% of EU business if the UK is off sulking in la la land.

Edited March 6, 2018 by Air Smiles

[aright]

12 minutes ago, Air Smiles said:

 

You don't seem to understand the basic arithmetic of the situation.

 

60% of UK exports are via the EU.

16% of EU exports are via the UK.

 

Who has the most to lose?

 

Lets not forget the EU member states who will be more than happy to gobble up the UK's 16% of EU business if the UK is off sulking in la la land.

You don't understand the arithmetic or the argument.

When we leave the EU, the EU will have 15% of the worlds trade as a % of GDP. That means 85% of world trade is available to us for  bespoke deals. It's not a question of how much we have to loose but how much we have to gain. If the best you can do is construct a kindergarten argument count me out. 

[Air Smiles]

2 minutes ago, aright said:

You don't understand the arithmetic or the argument.

When we leave the EU, the EU will have 15% of the worlds trade as a % of GDP. That means 85% of world trade is available to us for  bespoke deals. It's not a question of how much we have to loose but how much we have to gain. If the best you can do is construct a kindergarten argument count me out. 

 

I'm talking about real/existing trade deals and you're talking about imaginary/non-existing trade deals.

 

Basically you're saying the UK doesn't have to worry about losing 60% of its existing exports because 85% of the world market will be open for UK trade, the only catch will be the UK competing against relative economic colossals such as China, India, EU, US etc...

 

[F4UCorsair]

17 hours ago, Grouse said:

So you infer that Brexiters are much the same as Trump supporters? Welcome on board!

Just reread my post, and I said......."The Brexit losers are very much like the anti Trump camp".

 

So you've misrepresented what I said, and there is no surprise there.

[Scott]

A post with a foreign language has been removed.   This is the 2nd time.   Do it again and earn a suspension.  

 

[nontabury]

6 hours ago, Scott said:

A post with a foreign language has been removed.   This is the 2nd time.   Do it again and earn a suspension.  

 

I’m sure the Brits would understand British humour, others may have difficulty.

Edited March 7, 2018 by nontabury

[Scott]

3 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Maybe you have to be British to understand our humor.

It's not about understanding humor.  It's about posting in a foreign language.   I fully understood it, but then everyone and their dog can post in whatever language they want to.   That's the point.  

 

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