Not drinking

[55Jay]

I cut back since last December, after my annual physical.    It wasn't due to that necessarily but it did cause me to reflect on aging, and a less admirable  acknowledgement that I had fallen too far into the local pattern of drinking beer everyday, or nearly.  So it was time to put that in check. 

 

Physically, I feel better not being under a frequent, variable hang over cloud, and a few pounds have come off.

[Justfine]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20497980?dopt=AbstractPlus

[xylophone]

4 hours ago, Justfine said:

I eat a lot of himilayan salt. Most people eat the wrong salt.

Not sure that I would listen too much to someone who advocates that eating Himalayan salt can make one "healthy/healthier". Marketing, new age hype.

 

http://time.com/4834865/himalayan-pink-salt-benefits/

 

The bottom line: If you want to add a pinch of pink salt to your food, go ahead, but you probably won’t reap any special health benefits. 

[GarryP]

On 4/2/2018 at 2:09 PM, jenny2017 said:

     I'd basically started drinking daily when I moved to Thailand. It's usually the beers at meeting places where almost everybody goes through the daily gossip.

That's even worse when most of them are working as teachers......

 

When you hear that the gossip is about somebody who didn't make it on that day, you can be sure that you're on the list when you don't show up. 

 

   I've realized that always when I had my three big beers. there's always a reason for me to start an argument with my wife, or even with our son.

 

The topics were so breathtaking from how long does a Hercules C 130 need to take off, where the most knowledgeable guy in the drinking team was sure that 150 meters would be long enough to take off. The one guy was so proud of his 120 GB of porn on his external hard drives, who the frogg wants to discuss such things???

 

You can't argue with such people and the topics become even stranger when more alcohol is consumed.

 

 I had so many hangovers destroying my mornings that I was already used to go to work on a hangover.

 

But then I decided enough is enough and quit drinking. Well, almost. Now I'm having a good ( if possible a cold Kloster, without ice) beer, or two, but small bottles.

 

But there are times where I don't drink one drop in weeks, and that's good so. My next plan is to quit smoking, which wouldn't be possible if I would still be drinking.

 

 In my opinion, alcohol doesn't only kill the person's white cells, then the liver. It also destroys marriages, friendships and a lot more.

 

P.S. And it's got a lot to do with accidents, people who drink seem to believe that they can drive a vehicle, even when they can't stand on their own feet anymore. 

 

It's much better to wake up without a hangover. 

 

  Here's a song for those who want to stop.........

 

 

 

  

I quit cigarettes first and then alcohol.  I had absolutely no problem being among smokers after I had given up. Likewise, I still go to the local, I just don't drink alcohol anymore. I know for some people that would be hard, being surrounded by people drinking and not drinking themselves, but it wasn't for me. Also listening to the inane conversations people are having once on the way to inebriation helps. Knowing that I probably was exactly the same when drinking gives me even more reason to stay off the stuff.

 

I do, however, drink alcohol free beer at home sometimes as I like the taste. And there is a greater variety of alcohol free beers now available in Bangkok so you can experiment until you find those that you like.  

[Justfine]

30 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Not sure that I would listen too much to someone who advocates that eating Himalayan salt can make one "healthy/healthier". Marketing, new age hype.

 

http://time.com/4834865/himalayan-pink-salt-benefits/

 

The bottom line: If you want to add a pinch of pink salt to your food, go ahead, but you probably won’t reap any special health benefits. 

Wow one rubbish website disagrees.

 

It's not magic, just extra minerals.

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, Justfine said:

Wow one rubbish website disagrees.

 

It's not magic, just extra minerals.

Many websites actually, and not those promoting the product.

 

As for the "extra minerals"............well they are in such minute quantities in around just 2% of the salt used that even if you ate a spoonful of the salt it would make no difference at all, apart from making you thirsty!!

 

PS. Off track again, so you do research on the salt health fad............whereas alcohol is a totally different subject.

Edited April 5, 2018 by xylophone

[Justfine]

1 minute ago, xylophone said:

Many websites actually, and not those promoting the product.

 

As for the "extra minerals"............well they are in such minute quantities in around just 2% of the salt used that even if you ate a spoonful of the salt it would make no difference at all, apart from making you thirsty!!

 

 

Your source was a c grade journo buddy who talked about pink lamps lol

 

At least my souce was a dietitician with a masters degree.

[rott]

3 hours ago, GarryP said:

I quit cigarettes first and then alcohol.  I had absolutely no problem being among smokers after I had given up. Likewise, I still go to the local, I just don't drink alcohol anymore. I know for some people that would be hard, being surrounded by people drinking and not drinking themselves, but it wasn't for me. Also listening to the inane conversations people are having once on the way to inebriation helps. Knowing that I probably was exactly the same when drinking gives me even more reason to stay off the stuff.

 

I do, however, drink alcohol free beer at home sometimes as I like the taste. And there is a greater variety of alcohol free beers now available in Bangkok so you can experiment until you find those that you like.  

That is interesting. Which alcohol free beers, where from and what price.? Any low alcohol beers.?

 

On the subject of low(er) alcohol beers, Est.33/Singha have introduced Snowy -- 4% abv,  per can of 490ml it costs THB55 in 7 and THB80 in the one bar I know that stocks it.

[jenny2017]

 I'm glad that I don't have a problem with alcohol. Only without. 

[GarryP]

48 minutes ago, rott said:

That is interesting. Which alcohol free beers, where from and what price.? Any low alcohol beers.?

 

On the subject of low(er) alcohol beers, Est.33/Singha have introduced Snowy -- 4% abv,  per can of 490ml it costs THB55 in 7 and THB80 in the one bar I know that stocks it.

I buy it at Tops Central Bang Na. They have about 10 to 15 brands. A variety of prices but most is a bit more expensive than standard beer's. Some as low as about 50 Baht a small can others for 109 for a large can or bottle. Prices at paragon are much high and much smaller selection.

[Justfine]

5 hours ago, GarryP said:

I buy it at Tops Central Bang Na. They have about 10 to 15 brands. A variety of prices but most is a bit more expensive than standard beer's. Some as low as about 50 Baht a small can others for 109 for a large can or bottle. Prices at paragon are much high and much smaller selection.

How much sugar do they have?

[GarryP]

4 hours ago, Justfine said:

How much sugar do they have?

Just one example. Oettinger Akohokfrei 500 ml contains 4.1g per 100 ml.

[EVENKEEL]

 I hate quitters.

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

 I hate quitters.

God save you ;-)

[Hummin]

Seriously alchohol is waste of a perfectly good life! Especialy if you want to keep your sexual energy for your elderly years. :D

[Justfine]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

 I hate quitters.

Not quitting. Just more selective. 

[xylophone]

14 hours ago, Justfine said:

Your source was a c grade journo buddy who talked about pink lamps lol

 

At least my souce was a dietitician with a masters degree.

Your quote: "Some people don't want to listen and learn".

 

You for example? Learn from tests done on Himalayan salt from EXPERTS............

 

Comments from Consumer Lab who with qualified medical doctors and researchers analyse health products….

 

One of the potential health benefits commonly ascribed to these salts is that they have higher concentrations of essential minerals, however, as noted below, amounts of essential minerals found in all salts were generally so small as to be fairly insignificant from a health perspective, and they contain higher amounts of toxic compounds as compared to table salt.

 

A few words about iodine 
Be aware that these speciality salts do not have added iodine. Iodine is necessary for proper functioning of the thyroid gland, which regulates metabolism in our bodies. Iodine deficiency may increase vulnerability to certain environmental pollutants…....

[Justfine]

2 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Your quote: "Some people don't want to listen and learn".

 

You for example? Learn from tests done on Himalayan salt from EXPERTS............

 

Comments from Consumer Lab who with qualified medical doctors and researchers analyse health products….

 

One of the potential health benefits commonly ascribed to these salts is that they have higher concentrations of essential minerals, however, as noted below, amounts of essential minerals found in all salts were generally so small as to be fairly insignificant from a health perspective, and they contain higher amounts of toxic compounds as compared to table salt.

 

A few words about iodine 
Be aware that these speciality salts do not have added iodine. Iodine is necessary for proper functioning of the thyroid gland, which regulates metabolism in our bodies. Iodine deficiency may increase vulnerability to certain environmental pollutants…....

I eat eggs and strawberries which are a good source of iodine.

 

I view diet as a sum of the parts thing.

 

Doing 10 small things that improve your health by 25% is better than doing nothing.

 

Individual foods are not a magic pill.

 

Even if HS only makes a 1% difference over 10 years that is something when combined with other things. Plus it tastes better.

 

Im not forcing you to eat it.

 

 

 

 

[AYJAYDEE]

5 minutes ago, Justfine said:

I eat eggs and strawberries which are a good source of iodine.

 

I view diet as a sum of the parts thing.

 

Doing 10 small things that improve your health by 25% is better than doing nothing.

 

Individual foods are not a magic pill.

 

Even if HS only makes a 1% difference over 10 years that is something when combined with other things. Plus it tastes better.

 

Im not forcing you to eat it.

 

 

 

 

 they contain higher amounts of toxic compounds as compared to table salt.

[Justfine]

2 minutes ago, AYJAYDEE said:

 they contain higher amounts of toxic compounds as compared to table salt.

Minute traces.

 

Your cigs do you more harm as does breathing in car smoke.

[AYJAYDEE]

2 minutes ago, Justfine said:

Minute traces.

 

Your cigs do you more harm as does breathing in car smoke.

Even if toxic compounds only makes a 1% difference over 10 years that is something when combined with other things. 

[Justfine]

7 minutes ago, AYJAYDEE said:

Even if toxic compounds only makes a 1% difference over 10 years that is something when combined with other things. 

 

Now let’s get into the details. Here are two reasons you should not fear your pink salt:

1) You aren’t eating much of it

Lead is a naturally occurring element, not just in the environment, but in our bodies and in much of the food you eat. [2] It’s in soil, the air you breathe, and at more toxic levels in man-made items like old piping and paint produced before 1978.[3]

On average, you probably consume between 5-10 mcg of lead every day, much of it from seafood and foods grown in high lead soils. [4] Adults absorb 3-10% of the lead they consume, while children absorb much more (40-50%). [5] Small amounts of lead are pretty much unavoidable.

Now, this certainly doesn’t mean heavy metals are safe. But spectral analysis shows that the lead in pink salt is about 0.10 ppm, well within the legal limit of 0.50 ppm. [6,7,8,9] Water with 0.10 ppm lead would be a huge issue because you drink a couple liters of it daily, but you’re not eating liters of salt. You’re probably eating a couple teaspoons at the most. There’s not much lead in there, and if you’re an adult you’re only absorbing 3-10% of it.

It doesn’t make sense to compare lead in salt to lead in water.

Where else does lead lurk?

One group of researchers examined the lead concentrations of various foods across more than 14 European countries. According to their findings, there’s lead in coffee, meat, algae-based supplements, various cereals, sugars, fruits, tubers, and more. [10] Many of the foods highlighted in the study as having higher concentrations of lead are also foods that people consume way more of than salt.

[AYJAYDEE]

13 minutes ago, Justfine said:

 

Now let’s get into the details. Here are two reasons you should not fear your pink salt:

1) You aren’t eating much of it

Lead is a naturally occurring element, not just in the environment, but in our bodies and in much of the food you eat. [2] It’s in soil, the air you breathe, and at more toxic levels in man-made items like old piping and paint produced before 1978.[3]

On average, you probably consume between 5-10 mcg of lead every day, much of it from seafood and foods grown in high lead soils. [4] Adults absorb 3-10% of the lead they consume, while children absorb much more (40-50%). [5] Small amounts of lead are pretty much unavoidable.

Now, this certainly doesn’t mean heavy metals are safe. But spectral analysis shows that the lead in pink salt is about 0.10 ppm, well within the legal limit of 0.50 ppm. [6,7,8,9] Water with 0.10 ppm lead would be a huge issue because you drink a couple liters of it daily, but you’re not eating liters of salt. You’re probably eating a couple teaspoons at the most. There’s not much lead in there, and if you’re an adult you’re only absorbing 3-10% of it.

It doesn’t make sense to compare lead in salt to lead in water.

Where else does lead lurk?

One group of researchers examined the lead concentrations of various foods across more than 14 European countries. According to their findings, there’s lead in coffee, meat, algae-based supplements, various cereals, sugars, fruits, tubers, and more. [10] Many of the foods highlighted in the study as having higher concentrations of lead are also foods that people consume way more of than salt.

and yet you claim:   a 1% difference over 10 years that is something when combined with other things. 

[xylophone]

12 minutes ago, Justfine said:

 

Now let’s get into the details. Here are two reasons you should not fear your pink salt:

1) You aren’t eating much of it

Lead is a naturally occurring element, not just in the environment, but in our bodies and in much of the food you eat. [2] It’s in soil, the air you breathe, and at more toxic levels in man-made items like old piping and paint produced before 1978.[3]

On average, you probably consume between 5-10 mcg of lead every day, much of it from seafood and foods grown in high lead soils. [4] Adults absorb 3-10% of the lead they consume, while children absorb much more (40-50%). [5] Small amounts of lead are pretty much unavoidable.

Now, this certainly doesn’t mean heavy metals are safe. But spectral analysis shows that the lead in pink salt is about 0.10 ppm, well within the legal limit of 0.50 ppm. [6,7,8,9] Water with 0.10 ppm lead would be a huge issue because you drink a couple liters of it daily, but you’re not eating liters of salt. You’re probably eating a couple teaspoons at the most. There’s not much lead in there, and if you’re an adult you’re only absorbing 3-10% of it.

It doesn’t make sense to compare lead in salt to lead in water.

Where else does lead lurk?

One group of researchers examined the lead concentrations of various foods across more than 14 European countries. According to their findings, there’s lead in coffee, meat, algae-based supplements, various cereals, sugars, fruits, tubers, and more. [10] Many of the foods highlighted in the study as having higher concentrations of lead are also foods that people consume way more of than salt.

You said............I eat a lot of himilayan salt. Most people eat the wrong salt.

 

And you said this in relation to posts about "healthy living". 

 

No-one needs to "fear" this salt but to think that eating a lot of it (your post) will make a difference to ones health is a nonsense.

[gerryBScot]

One thing you are not talking about as you spar about exotic aspects of diet is the importance of exercise in pursuit of health and well being, and lowering BP. Getting regular, age-appropriate exercise  combined with a healthy diet are the keys to health and well being. Exercise in particular might well counter the potential adverse effects of some foods and might allow a little room for some occasional indulgence! 

 

On the food front I think a reduction in carbohydrate intake is one of the best ways of reducing weight - switch from rice/potatoes/bread to a fresh salad.

 

[Justfine]

1 hour ago, gerryBScot said:

One thing you are not talking about as you spar about exotic aspects of diet is the importance of exercise in pursuit of health and well being, and lowering BP. Getting regular, age-appropriate exercise  combined with a healthy diet are the keys to health and well being. Exercise in particular might well counter the potential adverse effects of some foods and might allow a little room for some occasional indulgence! 

 

On the food front I think a reduction in carbohydrate intake is one of the best ways of reducing weight - switch from rice/potatoes/bread to a fresh salad.

 

Common sense. Rare on here. Good to see a normal person make a post.

[xylophone]

4 hours ago, Justfine said:

Common sense. Rare on here. Good to see a normal person make a post.

First cast the mote from thine own eye...............

[rott]

I think the thread is "Not Drinking" and I wasn't going to tonight (this week in fact) but sod it I am going down the road to have a few large Leo and a pad pak ruam moo.

 

And the two jokers who were so incensed by my comments on grammar recently that they reported me, I wonder what they would make of the display sizes on here a short while ago.

[Neeranam]

On 02/04/2018 at 10:06 AM, colinneil said:

Well i have heard many excuses for drinking but, partly because my granddaughter likes skipping down to the shop  Pricless best excuse i have read in ages.

Just what I was thinking.

She could shop down and buy a couple of bottles of coke.

[gerryBScot]

9 hours ago, Justfine said:

Common sense. Rare on here. Good to see a normal person make a post.

Thanks but sorry to disappoint you: I am an alcoholic but I am a sober one these days!