Dangerous Snake Update

[DumbFalang]

Like me, I'm sure many of you often come across those cute little snakes with the red neck that the locals told you was not dangerous and to leave alone. Well, it turns out that after a re-evaluation of their bite and venom, the red-necked keelback is actually dangerous. I have lived happily with these guys in my garden for years and we just work around each other. This latest update has presented me with a dilemma as I never kill snakes - nor do I want to. The problem is, my worker identifies and kills the poisonous ones - or any that he doesn't recognize. His wife and young daughter spend a lot of time in my garden/farm and so I guess I don't really have any other option other than to tell them. I'm not happy that they will probably start killing the snakes, but what can you do?

 

[Crossy]

https://www.thailandsnakes.com/venomous/rear-fanged/red-necked-keelback-venomous-mildly-dangerous/

 

From the above site:-

 

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Venom Toxicity: LD50 is 1.29 mg/kg for intravenous injection (source). That is about the same rating as the very deadly “Banded Krait (Bungarus fasciatus)”. It was previously thought these snakes were harmless. Some kept them as pets and were bitten. In one case the snake was left to bite for two entire minutes before removing it from a finger.

Serious complications resulted requiring hospitalization and intensive care. Click for article. These snakes are rear-fanged and need to bite and hold on, or, repeatedly bite to have any effect on humans. Once they do either – there is the possibility of severe problems including renal failure and death. Recently a small boy of 12 years old was bitten by one he was keeping as a pet in Phuket, Thailand and he is currently being treated (11/5/10). Be very careful not be be bitten by these snakes. There is NO ANTIVENIN available yet for these snakes in Thailand. Scroll down for information about antivenin manufactured in Japan that may have some positive effect.

 

Since they are rear-fanged the chances of getting a good bite are fairly slim, leave well alone and everyone will be fine (including the snake).

 

 

 

[i claudius]

I kill all snakes in our garden. Better safe than sorry.

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[lucjoker]

DumbFalang ....." I'm not happy that they will probably start killing the (dangerous) snakes, but what can you do?"

Well, tell him NOT to kille those dangerous snakes, and wait until a child playing in your garden is bitten by your lovely dangerous snake,....and then blame the child........

 

Dont change your name.

[KKr]

3 hours ago, i claudius said:

I kill all snakes in our garden. Better safe than sorry.

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Brutes in arms we are ;-)
and workers always take them away to properly dispose of them, next day morning 555

Edited May 5, 2018 by KKr

[55Jay]

I wouldn't underestimate the power of talking to people in advance of a snake crisis.  Some can be rather receptive and intelligent. 

 

Others are hopeless reactionaries, unwilling or incapable of processing things they don't understand, and don't want to. 

 

SNAKE!  OMG!  SMASH IT! KILL IT!  KILL THEM ALL!

 

Hold on a minute, it's a harmless, non-venomous water snake after that frog over there.  See?

 

I DON'T CARE!  MUST KILL!  NOW!  UNGA BUNGA! 

[kevc]

Our dog got bitten in the mouth and died before we could even get him to the vets, as we have a four year old daughter who could have easily been bitten instead of the dog any snake in our garden thats spotted doesn't last long I'm afraid.



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[55Jay]

4 minutes ago, kevc said:

Our dog got bitten in the mouth and died before we could even get him to the vets, as we have a four year old daughter who could have easily been bitten instead of the dog any snake in our garden thats spotted doesn't last long I'm afraid.

I feel the same way about children, but I'm more of a softie than you are in that I give them all at least once chance to escape first.

[i claudius]

I wouldn't underestimate the power of talking to people in advance of a snake crisis.  Some can be rather receptive and intelligent. 
 
Others are hopeless reactionaries, unwilling or incapable of processing things they don't understand, and don't want to. 
 
SNAKE!  OMG!  SMASH IT! KILL IT!  KILL THEM ALL!
 
Hold on a minute, it's a harmless, non-venomous water snake after that frog over there.  See?
 
I DON'T CARE!  MUST KILL!  NOW!  UNGA BUNGA! 

Well kill it and save a frog.is not a frogs life as valuable as a snake?

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[55Jay]

5 minutes ago, i claudius said:

Well kill it and save a frog.is not a frogs life as valuable as a snake?

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LOL, I was just having a laugh.   But ok, I'll bite (pun intended).

 

First off, given your kill 'em all attitude toward snakes, I rather doubt you are a closet naturalist and frog enthusiast.  If you were, you probably wouldn't have the view you claim to have about snakes.

 

At any rate, the correct answer to your scenario is (B).  BOTH.  Both have value. 

 

The second part of that answer is, when/if you insert yourself unnaturally into that natural scenario, it is YOU who has zero value.

 

But I get it, you don't like snakes.  Neither does my wife.  To her, every snake is a "poison" Cobra.  I'm no Jungle Jim but over the years I've had to deal with several snakes in and around the house/garden, and she's gone from going mental, to a cautious curiosity.   Exposure, education, conditioning.

[Golden Triangle]

There is a FaceBook page called Snakes of Pattaya, but people from different regions have posted on there, take a pic, post it and within minutes someone will advise you as to the danger or otherwise of the snake, I think that there may well be other sites relating to your neck of the woods, have a search and find out, much better than killing an innocent harmless snake eh 

[CLW]

I kill all snakes in our garden. Better safe than sorry.

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Cave man behaviour. Not much sign of intelligence and respect for the creatures.
The dog further down in this thread was very likely killed because he either attacked the snake or played with her.
I'm quite sure a human or children bitten by a snake would just run away as fast as they can.
Written by someone who has been bitten by snakes several times already and I know how to differentiate between the dangerous ones.

[Will27]

8 hours ago, CLW said:

Cave man behaviour. Not much sign of intelligence and respect for the creatures.
The dog further down in this thread was very likely killed because he either attacked the snake or played with her.
I'm quite sure a human or children bitten by a snake would just run away as fast as they can.
Written by someone who has been bitten by snakes several times already and I know how to differentiate between the dangerous ones.

So you expect people who have children and pets at home to just let them get bitten?

With all due respect, that's just craziness.

 

 

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, Will27 said:

So you expect people who have children and pets at home to just let them get bitten?

With all due respect, that's just craziness.

 

 

Come on there are plenty of children in the world its ok to sacrifice a few so you have a good ecology in your garden. 

[i claudius]

Cave man behaviour. Not much sign of intelligence and respect for the creatures.
The dog further down in this thread was very likely killed because he either attacked the snake or played with her.
I'm quite sure a human or children bitten by a snake would just run away as fast as they can.
Written by someone who has been bitten by snakes several times already and I know how to differentiate between the dangerous ones.

Well at least us cave men our kids and our pets are still alive and not withered away because of the the mentality that you must love all gods creatures while they bite you to death

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[sangtip2]

My dog kills all snakes  --  yes even cobras .    

[Road Warrior]

agreed KILL ALL SNAKES -THEY ARE VERMIN

[Denim]

17 hours ago, i claudius said:

Well kill it and save a frog.is not a frogs life as valuable as a snake?

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No point going for the frogs. They always croak in the end anyway.

[CLW]

agreed KILL ALL SNAKES -THEY ARE VERMIN

So are you

[Autonuaq]

On 5/5/2018 at 10:06 AM, Crossy said:

https://www.thailandsnakes.com/venomous/rear-fanged/red-necked-keelback-venomous-mildly-dangerous/

 

From the above site:-

 

 

Since they are rear-fanged the chances of getting a good bite are fairly slim, leave well alone and everyone will be fine (including the snake).

 

 

 

Red is in nature a warning sign just as yellow and black is.

Blue is not a food color too and is also danger color.

That is a general rule of thumb.

And in the north part of the globe also with animals can be dangerous (e.g. polar bear)

 

And of course we have the green viper or yellow spider dangerous.

 

 

In general red yellow black or very dark is dangerous

[jak2002003]

OP says he has lived with these snakes on his property for YEARS and NO problems.

 

I think that if he or his family suddenly decide to go on some snake hunt (or start chasing down and attacking any snakes they see) then this is were the chances are getting bitten increase!

 

Better just leave them alone.

 

Also, this species of snake is no real danger to humans.  Its none aggressive, rarely bites (unless handled - picked up roughly), and even a bite is unlikely to be dangerous.. because it's a rear fanged snake with a small mouth... so virtually impossible for it to be physically able to get the fangs into our flesh.  

 

 

 

 

Edited May 6, 2018 by jak2002003

[sammieuk1]

If that was my garden the snakes could have it Taxi.

[keithpa]

Has everybody forgotten that if not for the snake, we would all still be living in the garden of Eden. Kill em all.

[jak2002003]

1 hour ago, keithpa said:

Has everybody forgotten that if not for the snake, we would all still be living in the garden of Eden. Kill em all.

I really hope you are joking here.

 

I found it funny that (in that garden of Eden story) God punishes humans with all sorts of nasty things.. and eternal suffering, hell, women die in childbirth, banishment form paradise  etc.. but the snakes is only punished by God telling it it has so crawl on its belly evermore.... I mean, it must have been crawling on its belly already if it was a SNAKE in the first place. lol.

 

Seriously though, snakes are part of nature and the ecosystem.  They are there to control rodents.  If you got rid of the snakes the place would be infested with rats.  Even the cobras main diet is other dangerous snakes... so killing cobra will increase the number of other just as harmful snakes in the area.  I would rather have one cobra on my land than hundreds of other dangerous snakes. 

 

 

[55Jay]

6 hours ago, i claudius said:

Well at least us cave men our kids and our pets are still alive and not withered away because of the the mentality that you must love all gods creatures while they bite you to death

I'm a stone cold atheist. 

[Nurseynutcase]

It became policy in Goa(India) to kill all the snakes as they frightened the tourists.  The upshot was a massive increase in the rat population and now snakes aren't killed anymore - just put into a remote area where they can survive.

 

We had a snake underneath the house - apparently it was a cobra - it was left alone, all the doors/windows closed and a few hours later it slithered off to the woods behind the house.

[canuckamuck]

1 hour ago, jak2002003 said:

I really hope you are joking here.

 

I found it funny that (in that garden of Eden story) God punishes humans with all sorts of nasty things.. and eternal suffering, hell, women die in childbirth, banishment form paradise  etc.. but the snakes is only punished by God telling it it has so crawl on its belly evermore.... I mean, it must have been crawling on its belly already if it was a SNAKE in the first place. lol.

 

 

Well it depends upon whether the snake was possessed by Satan and therefore not the real bad guy, or if you think the snake came up with the idea to con Eve all on his own (unlikely right?). There is also a further warning that the snake will eventually have his head stomped by the offspring of Eve. Most Christians reads this to be Satan will be crushed by Jesus. So that lends credence to the theory the snake was simply a vessel used by Satan. In which case it was Satan being condemned to crawl about for eternity eating dust. Which might have been somewhat literal as we are not told the condition or appearance of Satan before and after the fall.

It is also possible that snakes before the fall had legs, which would lend support for the curse being on the actual snake. But then there is a paradox that all types of snakes were punished for the actions of the one snake.  Which would represent a punishment on many subfamilies of reptiles but far from all of them.

I am still looking in to it.

 

[Goanna]

Caring about snakes more than kids lives. Something at bit smelly with this section of the population. There are plenty of places for snakes to be where there are no people around. Any of you ever done a risk assessment? Of course not. Elimination it the first step.

Edited May 6, 2018 by Goanna

[CLW]

Caring about snakes more than kids lives. Something at bit smelly with this section of the population. There are plenty of places for snakes to be where there are no people around. Any of you ever done a risk assessment? Of course not. Elimination it the first step.

You can eliminate the risk by capture and release them. No need to kill

[jak2002003]

27 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Well it depends upon whether the snake was possessed by Satan and therefore not the real bad guy, or if you think the snake came up with the idea to con Eve all on his own (unlikely right?). There is also a further warning that the snake will eventually have his head stomped by the offspring of Eve. Most Christians reads this to be Satan will be crushed by Jesus. So that lends credence to the theory the snake was simply a vessel used by Satan. In which case it was Satan being condemned to crawl about for eternity eating dust. Which might have been somewhat literal as we are not told the condition or appearance of Satan before and after the fall.

It is also possible that snakes before the fall had legs, which would lend support for the curse being on the actual snake. But then there is a paradox that all types of snakes were punished for the actions of the one snake.  Which would represent a punishment on many subfamilies of reptiles but far from all of them.

I am still looking in to it.

 

better to just forget about it.  A snake is a snake... a reptile.  Its not a little devil costume out to get you.