Trump abandons 'defective' Iran nuclear deal, to revive sanctions

[FritsSikkink]

51 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Or maybe he just grew tired from a madman and tyrants pointing an ICBM loaded with nukes at his country chanting ' death to America, death to the big satan' when those missiles will be pointed at the European and Russian, maybe they'll change their tune as well...

Get your facts straight, they don't have nukes.

[JAG]

Anything, everything, no matter what the cost, no matter what the effect upon the USA, upon the world, it must be done..

To reverse every one of Barrack Obama's actions and achieve ments whilst he was President!


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[pedro01]

Here's what happens next....

 

Iran is given a new deal that insists it halt it's support of terror organizations in the region - of which there is no question. A  deal that does not expire in 2025, at which point they are free to enrich weapons grade Uranium.

 

Right now, Iran has a lot more money with which to fund terror organizations because of this deal. They just have to delay their nuke program for 7 years.

 

The Obama deal was basically great news for Hamas and Hezbollah. That's the real problem and it does need to be resolved. 

[otherstuff1957]

It looks like Trump is preparing for the 2020 election!  If all goes according to plan we should see war kick off between Saudi Arabia and Iran about 4 - 6 months before the November elections.  After all, nothing boosts political support like a good war.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

Or maybe he just grew tired from a madman and tyrants pointing an ICBM loaded with nukes at his country chanting ' death to America, death to the big satan' when those missiles will be pointed at the European and Russian, maybe they'll change their tune as well...

Silly comment. Dig a little deeper and discover that Iranian president Rouhani is entirely reasonable and rational (unlike DT). We should be helping him and the Iranian people to dump the hard core mullahs. Trump is just making the situation much worse. I think the axis of evil will regret this action.

Edited May 9, 2018 by Grouse

[alocacoc]

Trump is exactly right.

 

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2018/05/08/opinions/trump-is-exactly-right-about-irans-misdeeds-stanley/index.html

 

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[Grouse]

14 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

Here's what happens next....

 

Iran is given a new deal that insists it halt it's support of terror organizations in the region - of which there is no question. A  deal that does not expire in 2025, at which point they are free to enrich weapons grade Uranium.

 

Right now, Iran has a lot more money with which to fund terror organizations because of this deal. They just have to delay their nuke program for 7 years.

 

The Obama deal was basically great news for Hamas and Hezbollah. That's the real problem and it does need to be resolved. 

Would you like me to list the terror organisations that the Americans have backed since WWll? Let's start with the Taliban aka Mujahideen shall we? Or would you prefer the Contras?

 

Please, America, leave the rest of the World alone. Stay home, watch baseball and drink Miller. OK?

[car720]

Always the same throughout history.

When an empire crumbles, many are put to the sword.

When they invaded Iraq it was over WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

I believe there is a covert regime at play here just trying to find the right rhetoric to justify the elimination of Iran.  Not that I like Iran but if we are going to wipe them out and steal their oil then at  least lets be honest about it.

[baboon]

21 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

Here's what happens next....

 

Iran is given a new deal that insists it halt it's support of terror organizations in the region - of which there is no question. A  deal that does not expire in 2025, at which point they are free to enrich weapons grade Uranium.

 

Right now, Iran has a lot more money with which to fund terror organizations because of this deal. They just have to delay their nuke program for 7 years.

 

The Obama deal was basically great news for Hamas and Hezbollah. That's the real problem and it does need to be resolved. 

Here's what happens next...

 

Iran, the DPRK and whoever else is upsetting the hawks in the Pentagram arm themselves to the teeth in the full knowledge that any deals made with the US aren't worth the paper they are written on.

[Damrongsak]

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

Really? What a genious you are! Who made America great in the first place? Let me see if you got your facts straight. 

Who made America great?  Perhaps my forebearers who left Germany before WW 1 helped. Or my Grandpa who fought in WW1.  Perhaps my  Dad and his brothers who were deployed in WW2. Or my older son who got whacked in Iraq by a frikkin rocket propelled grenade at age 20.  Where the hell did you come from?

 

Oh, by the way, learn to spell and have a little respect for other people.  It's OK to be a little lippy if you are on the booze.  We do understand.

[canuckamuck]

He's just ticking off his to-do list and following the mandate granted to him by the American people. People are upset because they never saw a president keep his promises before. Hopefully he gets back to the 'put Hilary in jail' promise. That was my favorite.

[baboon]

4 hours ago, Grouse said:

Cancel Trump's visit to the UK

What are you talking about? We in Airstrip One will be right behind this as we are with any other warmongering policy dictated to us.

[pedro01]

11 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Would you like me to list the terror organisations that the Americans have backed since WWll? Let's start with the Taliban aka Mujahideen shall we? Or would you prefer the Contras?

 

Please, America, leave the rest of the World alone. Stay home, watch baseball and drink Miller. OK?

 

OK - so this would be one of those "2 wrongs makes a right", things then...

 

America is free to choose who it does business with, who it buys oil off. 

 

It has decided to stop doing business with a terror sponsoring state set on de-stabilizing the Middle East.

 

It's quite reasonable.

 

[Grouse]

4 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

 

OK - so this would be one of those "2 wrongs makes a right", things then...

 

America is free to choose who it does business with, who it buys oil off. 

 

It has decided to stop doing business with a terror sponsoring state set on de-stabilizing the Middle East.

 

It's quite reasonable.

 

OK, that's fine. Please leave the rest of the world alone. Make America Great and stay home ?

 

BTW, who destabilised Iran in the first place?

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, Kiwiken said:

The Iranians were not developing nuclear weapons before the agreement. Why would they waste scarce resources on them now? As others have pointed out why would North Korea trust the USA now? If Iran want Nukes they need not develop their own simply exchange oil for technology with NK. Well done Trump put us on a firm path to conflict. Israel and Saudi Arabia may bay their support but their populaces are the Ones the US action puts in the firing line.

The US seems to be fostering conflict with many at the moment (Russia, China) plus Trumps policies are alienating his key allies (Europe Britain and Japan).

Many may laud his Hawkish approach but it is the innocents on all sides who will pay.

 

Iran is the enemy of Trumps friends Israel and Saudi Arabia. The latter two despise Iran. Besides which Iran won't kiss Trump's arse which he seems to relish.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

6 minutes ago, Grouse said:

OK, that's fine. Please leave the rest of the world alone. Make America Great and stay home ?

 

BTW, who destabilised Iran in the first place?

 

Indeed Grousy, Clearly some still think Iran was better under the CIA controlled Shah dictatorship.

[attrayant]

8 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

America is free to choose who it does business with, who it buys oil off. 

 

It has decided to stop doing business with a terror sponsoring state set on de-stabilizing the Middle East.

 

It's quite reasonable.

 

Neither you nor Trump understands that oil is a highly fungible commodity.  It moves smoothly in and out of countries and their stockpiles; and gets traded again and again.  Iran will sell their light crude to other countries who may, in turn, resell it to us.  Or we could buy Canadian & Venezuelan crude which is heavier and requires much more refining.

 

Light Arabian oil is one of the most sought after in the world.  Iran won't have any trouble selling it.

[pedro01]

11 minutes ago, Grouse said:

OK, that's fine. Please leave the rest of the world alone. Make America Great and stay home ?

 

BTW, who destabilised Iran in the first place?

Iran has not been destabilized. You should check your facts.

 

Iran is destabilizing other nation and sponsoring vicious terrorist attacks all over the Middle East.

 

Maybe you should move there for a bit - seeing as how great you seem to think their leaders are.

[pedro01]

5 minutes ago, attrayant said:

 

Neither you nor Trump understands that oil is a highly fungible commodity.  It moves smoothly in and out of countries and their stockpiles; and gets traded again and again.  Iran will sell their light crude to other countries who may, in turn, resell it to us.  Or we could buy Canadian & Venezuelan crude which is heavier and requires much more refining.

 

Light Arabian oil is one of the most sought after in the world.  Iran won't have any trouble selling it.

 

Yes they will.

 

The whole world wants access to US consumers.

 

If US turns off that tap to any country buying oil from Iran, then Iran wont be selling much oil.

[attrayant]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

4 hours ago, alocacoc said:

Trust the process guys. If you can't, take a valium. Everything is fine.

Good move Donald.

 

Why is it a good move?

 

Because Trump did it.  There are three members here who have multiple orgasms over anything Trump does, no matter how obviously stupid it is.  You'll never get an answer when you ask for justification.  The best we can hope for is a copy & past from a Fox "news" opinion.

 

The latest nonsense poster thinks that one country refusing to buy Iranian oil is somehow going to hurt Iran.  In reality it'll come back to bite us since we'll just end up buying the same oil through an international middleman at a higher price.

 

Good move, Donald.

 

 

[attrayant]

1 minute ago, pedro01 said:

If US turns off that tap to any country buying oil from Iran, then Iran wont be selling much oil.

 

Can you explain how the USA can stop other countries from buying Iranian oil?  Even our allies have said pulling out of the Iran deal is nuts-o-cuckoo.  Do you think they're all going to hold hands with us on international sanctions?

[Grouse]

3 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

Iran has not been destabilized. You should check your facts.

 

Iran is destabilizing other nation and sponsoring vicious terrorist attacks all over the Middle East.

 

Maybe you should move there for a bit - seeing as how great you seem to think their leaders are.

No, you really don't understand. Wiki is quite good for the history of Persia and Iran. Have a read and then we can continue the dialogue 

 

BTW, there are some very beautiful women there ?

[thaibeachlovers]

[Grouse]

3 minutes ago, attrayant said:

 

Can you explain how the USA can stop other countries from buying Iranian oil?  Even our allies have said pulling out of the Iran deal is nuts-o-cuckoo.  Do you think they're all going to hold hands with us on international sanctions?

They can just buy in Euro and not go through an American bank. I'll manage it through my SCB account.

Edited May 9, 2018 by Grouse

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, attrayant said:

 

Because Trump did it.  There are three members here who have multiple orgasms over anything Trump does, no matter how obviously stupid it is.  You'll never get an answer when you ask for justification.  The best we can hope for is a copy & past from a Fox "news" opinion.

 

The latest nonsense poster thinks that one country refusing to buy Iranian oil is somehow going to hurt Iran.  In reality it'll come back to bite us since we'll just end up buying the same oil through an international middleman at a higher price.

 

Good move, Donald.

 

 

Off topic, but anything that increases the price of oil is good as it encourages alternatives to oil use. I thought all Climate Change believers wanted to stop using oil.

[lannarebirth]

You know what would be funny, is if North Korea in a gesture of goodwill disclosed some of the details to the US about who they have been exporting their nuclear wepons technology to. It has long been rumored that Iran was a buyer. But if NK really were going to denuclearize (which I doubt), intelligence on all the deals they made in the past would be part of the bargain I would think. You're going to find Iran on that list. Never a dull moment.

Edited May 9, 2018 by lannarebirth

[lannarebirth]

13 minutes ago, attrayant said:

 

Because Trump did it.  There are three members here who have multiple orgasms over anything Trump does, no matter how obviously stupid it is.  You'll never get an answer when you ask for justification.  The best we can hope for is a copy & past from a Fox "news" opinion.

 

The latest nonsense poster thinks that one country refusing to buy Iranian oil is somehow going to hurt Iran.  In reality it'll come back to bite us since we'll just end up buying the same oil through an international middleman at a higher price.

 

Good move, Donald.

 

 

 

Good thing we're energy independent more or less.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Good thing we're energy independent more or less.

The US actually exports oil now, thanks to frakking.

[MaxYakov]

Will the US get the cash back from Iran for pulling out? That's a big "No way, Jose" I take it.

Edited May 9, 2018 by MaxYakov

[Hummin]

48 minutes ago, Damrongsak said:

Who made America great?  Perhaps my forebearers who left Germany before WW 1 helped. Or my Grandpa who fought in WW1.  Perhaps my  Dad and his brothers who were deployed in WW2. Or my older son who got whacked in Iraq by a frikkin rocket propelled grenade at age 20.  Where the hell did you come from?

 

Oh, by the way, learn to spell and have a little respect for other people.  It's OK to be a little lippy if you are on the booze.  We do understand.

Well, I understand the spell card, and sorry to not be english grammar correct, since it is not my first language. America is founded by different etnic people from many different countries, who where willing to steal, murder, and fight for land in first place was not theirs. From day one, it have been a war to fight. Europe had indeed problems, but the wars you fight and the soldiers who paid their lifes, just kept on filling up the pockets of those you see today still is in power. Yes America sendt soldiers, weapons, supplies, but it was not for free. Marshall help was not free. We have paid our dept 10 times, and more, and still we have to hear ignorant comments like you will save money if you pull out of Nato, or any other Treaty. Americas wealth is built on lucrative treaties cooperating with friends, putting pressure on enimies, concure enimies, even brake their economies, and leave them with broken back, internal conflicts and chaos. 

 

The world is a chess game, you move one, you win one, you loose some, and so far Usa have been the leader in the game, but things can change. Big empires always fall, we just do not know when.