Thaksin wants to return home, says Chavalit

[sawadee1947]

3 hours ago, worgeordie said:

If he had not done a runner,and completed his sentence,most likely

6 months in a VIP cell, not with 20 other sweaty inmates,he would

be free to do what he wants,except be PM again as convicted criminals

are not allowed to be.

 

I think his greatest wish would be to return to Thailand on a white horse

and save the country

regards Worgeordie

Probably he would save the country 

[mike324]

7 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Unless something dramatic changes, he'll wait until the statute of limitations has expired on the outstanding serious cases awaiting him before he dares return. Others involved in the Krungthai bank fraud got 18 year sentences. He's scared of that now he failed to wangle an amnesty.

 

When they're all expired, he might risk it. Probably cite old age and ill health to avoid the 2 year sentence and apologies and wai for jumping bail. And hope all good to go at it again!

The fact that Thaksin was asking his supporters to accept an amnesty bill to pardon everyone during the Red Shirt Protest shows that he is guilty as hell and only cares about himself. It was good that most red shirts did not agree with his amnesty bill that was being proposed in order to "reunite" the country and start fresh again. Accepting the amnesty bill would mean no justice and accountability for all the mess that happened during the PAD and Red Shirt protests.

[tukkytuktuk]

The government should hold a referendum on Thaksin.

○  Do you like Thaksin, vote no return

○ Do you hate Thaksin, vote no amnesty

○ Neither of the above , vote stay out

 

□ No Return          □ No Amnesty               □ Stay Out

Edited May 19, 2018 by tukkytuktuk

[Baerboxer]

Just now, mike324 said:

The fact that Thaksin was asking his supporters to accept an amnesty bill to pardon everyone during the Red Shirt Protest shows that he is guilty as hell and only cares about himself. It was good that most red shirts did not agree with his amnesty bill that was being proposed in order to "reunite" the country and start fresh again. Accepting the amnesty bill would mean no justice and accountability for all the mess that happened during the PAD and Red Shirt protests.

 

Of course, he's totally self centered and only concerned about numero uno.

 

The Land purchase by his wife was minor in comparison to the probable sentences from the other much more serious charges. Krungthai bank fraud, and the lending of treasury money to the Burmese Junta to buy from his family business, are just two examples.

 

A lot of grass roots red shirts were against the amnesty bill, good for them. But as we saw, his employees who were PTP MPs overwhelmingly backed and voted for it. 

 

If you allow a crook to own a political party and pay a salary to MP's to do his bidding, and promote, demote, and dismiss them at will, then the results are hardly surprising!

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, mike324 said:

The fact that Thaksin was asking his supporters to accept an amnesty bill to pardon everyone during the Red Shirt Protest shows that he is guilty as hell and only cares about himself. It was good that most red shirts did not agree with his amnesty bill that was being proposed in order to "reunite" the country and start fresh again. Accepting the amnesty bill would mean no justice and accountability for all the mess that happened during the PAD and Red Shirt protests.

By your logic, the junta must be guilty like hell when they pre-grant themselves an amnesty. 

[NanLaew]

48 minutes ago, KhunFred said:

Here's the open door they've waited for. Thaksin can return home, the King can grant a pardon and then do the same thing with Yingluck. Happy ever after.

Vive la République!!!

[Baerboxer]

15 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Let me add to your lesson. If you want to rob and steal, pay massive bribes and intimidate to try win support, be a general and better still be a general from the Burapha fraternity. That you can avoid all legal consequences and you can even shred the law and re-write your own. 

 

But but but...................................

 

 

The Shin apologist has arrived to try and divert the thread.

 

This post is about Thaksin and his feeble attempts to avoid justice.

[NanLaew]

4 minutes ago, tukkytuktuk said:

The government should hold a referendum on Thaksin.

○  Do you like Thaksin, vote no return

○ Do you hate Thaksin, vote no amnesty

○ Neither of the above , vote stay out

 

□ No Return          □ No Amnesty               □ Stay Out

The what should hold a referendum on all things Thaksin now?

 

Please think this through before responding.

[Baerboxer]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

By your logic, the junta must be guilty like hell when they pre-grant themselves an amnesty. 

 

So what? This thread is about Thaksin.

 

Ah, better to try and divert than defend the indefensible!

[Baerboxer]

15 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Probably he would save the country 

 

yeah right, save it all............ for himself!

[tukkytuktuk]

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

The what should hold a referendum on all things Thaksin now?

 

Please think this through before responding.

Army? Junta? Men in green?

[mike324]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

By your logic, the junta must be guilty like hell when they pre-grant themselves an amnesty. 

 

 Yes they are, why do you think that I don't think the junta is guilty and corrupt. Typical pointing fingers back and forth crying about they are corrupt too so we should all get a free pass. We have debated quite a bit in the past on issues regarding to Thaksin, why didn't Thaksin crack down on the corruption with the junta? Oh wait, is it because he picked his own so no need to investigate too?

 

I have said it in the past, the corruptions under the army in the past have very small effect on the public compare to those of politicians and police which touches the lives of citizens daily. Hence it is why corruption with politicians and police are so much more serious and has bigger impact. 

 

I welcome all corruption investigations.

[smutcakes]

5 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Of course, he's totally self centered and only concerned about numero uno.

 

The Land purchase by his wife was minor in comparison to the probable sentences from the other much more serious charges. Krungthai bank fraud, and the lending of treasury money to the Burmese Junta to buy from his family business, are just two examples.

 

A lot of grass roots red shirts were against the amnesty bill, good for them. But as we saw, his employees who were PTP MPs overwhelmingly backed and voted for it. 

 

If you allow a crook to own a political party and pay a salary to MP's to do his bidding, and promote, demote, and dismiss them at will, then the results are hardly surprising!

The Krungthai case is interesting given that some very very high up people also received cheques. However for some unfathomable reason these cheques were nearly immediately cleared as being no problem, all above board, no question to answer..........but the cheques to Shinawatra, OH THEY ARE DIFFERENT.................

 

As an aside the lovely Meechai was Chairman of the board of Krisdamahakorn when all of this was going on, and yet seemingly he has been completely exonerated in the process.......

[bluesofa]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

I once saw Prayut kissed a frog. 

But still no handsome prince...

 

[Samui Bodoh]

43 minutes ago, Yann55 said:

 

That's a balanced and interesting point of view (as your posts often are), thank you, and it's refreshing when compared to most of the 'political' comments on this Forum which tend to take an absurdly binary stance (if you criticize T., you must be an ardent P. groupie, and vice versa).

 

Two observations come to mind  :

 

1/ T. is most certainly not much/any different from the 100/800/3000 so called 'elite' who think it their godly right to rule and use this country as if it was their private playground, with no respect whatsoever for the 'populace'. But, and that's a big fat but, he was PM, and in the past 20/30 years, even though the number of PMs in this country is rather mind-boggling, there were not 100/800/3000 of them. In that respect he definitely is different.

 

2/ As to the legitimacy of his conviction... I don't think many people now would deny the fact that he did abuse his position, made heaps of money with/through it, and used is wealth to manipulate the voters. So the argument (which you establish clearly) is really : why condemn him, while so many other wrongdoers who did (and do) similar things get away with it scot-free ?

 

Indeed a fascinating question.

 

Mr T. can (and does) scream urbi et orbi that the case against him is politically motivated, and he's right (albeit not in the least original, because that's the argument all politicians caught red-handed use, everywhere and all the time). Yes it's politically motivated but not fabricated, and definitely not unjustified...

 

His opponents claim that the case against him is based on solid facts, they say his abuse of power was unacceptable, and they're right too. But they're after T., and justice is not their primary concern (to put it mildy). So it's a typical case of doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.

 

Do you remember the movie Rashōmon by Akira Kurosawa (1950)? A murder is being investigated, and all the witnesses are heard. Of course their stories don't match. Then the dead man is interrogated and his account is yet different from the others. One of the judges says 'well, at least now we know the truth', and another immediately replies : 'what makes you think it's the truth ? Dead people can lie too!' One of the deepest (and funniest) movie lines I ever heard !

 

 

Great post and Thank You!

 

I will also share a quote, but I am a little embarrassed as to its source. In an episode of Star Trek; The Next Generation, Cmdr. Riker shouts (with all the proper righteous indignation) at an advanced alien life form "When has justice ever been as simple as words written on a page!".

 

I have never come up with a better way to put it.

 

Have a great Saturday, one and all!

 

[wazzupnow]

3 hours ago, worgeordie said:

If he had not done a runner,and completed his sentence,most likely

6 months in a VIP cell, not with 20 other sweaty inmates,he would

be free to do what he wants,except be PM again as convicted criminals

are not allowed to be.

 

I think his greatest wish would be to return to Thailand on a white horse

and save the country

regards Worgeordie

i hope he does . he still is the better half of 2 bad options

[tukkytuktuk]

7 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

The what should hold a referendum on all things Thaksin now?

 

Please think this through before responding.

The government.

[jippytum]

This is the only way Chavalit can get in the news these days .These 'old fossils' of Thai politics have had their chance and achieved nothing for the country .At his advance age he should stay in the background instead of trying to gain headlines by giving advice to a fugitive. 

[tukkytuktuk]

Did you know that Thaksin Shinawatra is the 10th-wealthiest Thai billionaire by net worth (world rank: 1234). He has 1.86 billion USD (2018).

[newatthis]

" Chavalit, 86, refused to say how often he talked to Thaksin and who had made the call in their latest conversation.

He suggested that Thaksin needed to “do good deeds for the people” to gain support from the majority of Thailand’s 65 million population, who would then back his return home."

 

There aren't enough millenniums left for every government [past and present], every official [past and present], every politician [past and present] to "do good deeds for the people" of Thailand for the <deleted>  and damage they have done to this country.

[Stargeezr]

Come on back to Thailand Thaksin and spend your time in court, then jail, and pay back

the money you took from Thailand. After that maybe you could really, help the people and

and Thailand.

 

 

[Yann55]

13 minutes ago, tukkytuktuk said:

Did you know that Thaksin Shinawatra is the 10th-wealthiest Thai billionaire by net worth (world rank: 1234). He has 1.86 billion USD (2018).

 

The question that immediately pops to mind, of course, is : what was his net worth before he became PM (in February 2001) ? Does anyone have a reliable source on that chapter ?

 

I remember reading in the BP, around 2005, that he and other members of his family were among the 10 richest people in Thailand after his first term (whereas before it was just him, and lower on the list), but my memory isn't what it used to be (I keep forgetting why ).

 

 

 

Edited May 19, 2018 by Yann55

[KiwiKiwi]

14 minutes ago, wazzupnow said:

i hope he does . he still is the better half of 2 bad options

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the matter, and whether or not he returns to TL, or even wants to (I can't imagine anyone who has lived in both BKK and Dubai wanting to live in BKK again), it seems likely that if he did, the current lot would be packing their bags. Rightly, and they may end up having to do that anyway, albeit the current PT management is seriously lacklustre.

[bizboi]

2 hours ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

Probably right and I would support any move to imprison him, for what that's worth - which isn't very much.

 

Just as soon as all the bigger criminals and corrupt officials are imprisoned first.

 

Spoiled for choice in Thailand, pick a card, any card and start looking closely.

Why them first when he is THE MOST corrupt of all? This is just propaganda to remind Thailand he hasn’t gone away and will be AGAIn doing his corrupt best in the upcoming election - once again proof that if he’d just keep out Thailand would be A MUCH BETTER PLACE and we wouldn’t the austere Government we have now!!

[KiwiKiwi]

2 minutes ago, bizboi said:

Why them first when he is THE MOST corrupt of all? This is just propaganda to remind Thailand he hasn’t gone away and will be AGAIn doing his corrupt best in the upcoming election - once again proof that if he’d just keep out Thailand would be A MUCH BETTER PLACE and we wouldn’t the austere Government we have now!!

 

I doubt he was the most corrupt of all, but I'd be interested in how you arrive at that conclusion.

 

In any event, in my opinion, the current government has nothing whatever to do with fixing the Thaksin legacy, it was to achieve something else entirely.

 

 

Edited May 19, 2018 by KiwiKiwi

[TKDfella]

In the present regime if Mr. T did come home...'shot while trying to escape'?

[hotchilli]

They always say a criminal wants to re-visit the scene of the crime...!!!

 

[bizboi]

I think his actions in power and the hiring of Cambodian death squad black shirts in 2006 as well as instructing his lieutenants to shoot red shirts from the rail tracks above the temple  in the last days of the protest as well as burn Bangkok makes him far and away the worst thing that EVER happened to Thailand!! There is NONE more corrupt or more willing to kill for his own ends!!! the protests that saw Thailand in chaos were HIS responsibility alone. If you dont agree I dont care. I walked through the red shirt camp in 2006/7 and saw the weapons they had there.

[sandrew33]

52 minutes ago, mike324 said:

 

I have been following the case for years, Thaksin was nailed because he had to sign spousal consent signature on the standard Lands Dept transfer form, which authorize his wife to purchase the land. Its not about the land being sold under market value and those other charges which were thrown out. Its a simple fact that he sign those purchase papers which made it a conflict of interest and illegal. Thaksin should have known that, but since FIDF approved and clear his wife, it made it an legal transaction for his wife but not him. FIDF should not have allowed the sale to Thaksins wife, and they should have followed the law better. But like all things in Thailand, a little influence goes a long way in having anything approved.

 

So please let me know which part of this hard fact was made up?

 

The fact that Thaksin has a long list of corruption cases, why is anyone he still supporting him?  This guy is corrupt as hell, yea he had good intentions during his first term, but he got too greedy.

 

This is a very good read about corruption in Thailand:

http://www.thaitribune.org/images/sampledata/Corruption1.pdf

So you change tack... awesome. 

 

There was nothing unlawful about his involvement in that land transaction until after he was ousted and a new, suitably vague law, was introduced to make it retrospectively "illegal". I mean seriously... 

 

As to whether he was good or not, that's a different issue. He was certainly popularly elected and his successors have been the only democratically elected PM's in Thailand in over 2 decades. That says something whatever his sins were..  

 

Implicit in all your posts is that somehow the alternatives have been better. They haven't. The international corruption index for Thailand has been routinely higher when non elected governments have been in power. 

 

The issue remains that Thaksin threatened the status quo. Period. 

 

 

 

 

[KiwiKiwi]

20 minutes ago, jippytum said:

This is the only way Chavalit can get in the news these days .These 'old fossils' of Thai politics have had their chance and achieved nothing for the country .At his advance age he should stay in the background instead of trying to gain headlines by giving advice to a fugitive. 

Ahhh, Mr Blobby. Dontcha just love him?