U.S. bishop wows royal wedding with impassioned sermon on love

[tifino]

bet he doesn't have a Thai wife!  ....

 

she'd say 'he lub her too much'

[geriatrickid]

11 hours ago, Wake Up said:

Oh the use of the word “uneducated” in the realm of criticism. Turns the users emotion of uneasiness into arrogance so the user can feel superior once again. 

Not at all, and you are  demonstrating the uneducated aspect. (Thank you for that.) Do you even know who this curry fellow is and the anguish and serious trouble he has caused for the worldwide communion? 

 

Are you even aware of the theological divide between the American church and the global Anglican communion over family  values and the role of homosexuals / gays within the communion? The USA church, to which this chap belongs pushed its views of homsexuality on the other members who resisted. The Americans nearly caused a major schism, because the Africans were very upset and felt that the US "liberal" views were contrary to African social customs which are inherently conservative.

In 2016, the global archbishops imposed sanctions on the US church, which included this preacher, and the archbishops issued a statement in support of the “traditional doctrine” that marriage should be between a man and a woman.  This position was not endorsed by the American bishop.   For reference sake the statement was as follows;

“The traditional doctrine of the church in view of the teaching of scripture, upholds marriage as between a man and a woman in faithful, lifelong union. The majority of those gathered reaffirm this teaching.”

 

This statement was drafted  to ensure that the most vocal opponents of the American position, the churches of kenya, Uganda and Nigeria, did not leave the communion in protest. As part of the agreement, the US Episcopal church was banned from representation on central church organizations and was barred until January 2020 from voting on issues relating to church doctrine.

 

Michael Curry, the presiding bishop of the US Episcopal church, the same person who presented his rambling speech criticized the position of the worldwide communion and rejected the concerns of its African members.

 

I am in no way saying that the position of the  US Church was wrong. However, that position stirred up alot sh*t and nearly caused a split in the church that would have seen African and Latin American along with the more conservative western members leaving. I don't doubt for a minute that the invitation of Curry was the doing of radical members of the Church of England. They were a tossing a bone to a fellow supporter of the erosion of current Church doctrine.

 

To those who are claiming prejudice, I suggest that they consider the fact that Bishop Curry is offensive to the African church. The prejudice shown is by those who wish to force their interpretation of the doctrine on others and to dismiss African cultural norms. One cannot change church doctrine on a whim. This man should not  even have been invited.

 

 

Edited May 20, 2018 by geriatrickid

[jakethepeg]

17 hours ago, samran said:

Love the judgements. 

 

But you know what? 

 

It was THEIR wedding. They knew what they were getting and clearly got it. 

 

No doubt Betty did too. She was known to be fond of a bit of ole Billy Graham. 

 

But I’ll hand it back to the rest of youse to continue with the peanut gallery assessments.

 

On to more important things. Lady Kitty Spencer and Amal Clooney get my vote for best dressed..

 

Amal is in a league of her own, brains beauty and power

[Damrongsak]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

...No requirement to be a Catholic to attend such schools. 

My buddy and I took a home economics class in Catholic high school when they started integrating the boy and girl sides of the school.  The little old Nun that taught the class knew we weren't really Catholic, though our folks were.  She called us "heathens".  So we started wearing lapel buttons that said "I'm a Heathen".  But she loved us, despite the crap we gave her.  She thought all the girls were sluts. 

[kamahele]

On 5/20/2018 at 1:32 AM, beautifulthailand99 said:

He seemed to think it was his bully pulpit to sell God  - quite a scene though in front of the top tier British establishment.  Harry's married Megan that's for sure. 

It was in a church. Of course he was selling God. 

[kamahele]

5 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Not at all, and you are  demonstrating the uneducated aspect. (Thank you for that.) Do you even know who this curry fellow is and the anguish and serious trouble he has caused for the worldwide communion? 

 

Are you even aware of the theological divide between the American church and the global Anglican communion over family  values and the role of homosexuals / gays within the communion? The USA church, to which this chap belongs pushed its views of homsexuality on the other members who resisted. The Americans nearly caused a major schism, because the Africans were very upset and felt that the US "liberal" views were contrary to African social customs which are inherently conservative.

In 2016, the global archbishops imposed sanctions on the US church, which included this preacher, and the archbishops issued a statement in support of the “traditional doctrine” that marriage should be between a man and a woman.  This position was not endorsed by the American bishop.   For reference sake the statement was as follows;

“The traditional doctrine of the church in view of the teaching of scripture, upholds marriage as between a man and a woman in faithful, lifelong union. The majority of those gathered reaffirm this teaching.”

 

This statement was drafted  to ensure that the most vocal opponents of the American position, the churches of kenya, Uganda and Nigeria, did not leave the communion in protest. As part of the agreement, the US Episcopal church was banned from representation on central church organizations and was barred until January 2020 from voting on issues relating to church doctrine.

 

Michael Curry, the presiding bishop of the US Episcopal church, the same person who presented his rambling speech criticized the position of the worldwide communion and rejected the concerns of its African members.

 

I am in no way saying that the position of the  US Church was wrong. However, that position stirred up alot sh*t and nearly caused a split in the church that would have seen African and Latin American along with the more conservative western members leaving. I don't doubt for a minute that the invitation of Curry was the doing of radical members of the Church of England. They were a tossing a bone to a fellow supporter of the erosion of current Church doctrine.

 

To those who are claiming prejudice, I suggest that they consider the fact that Bishop Curry is offensive to the African church. The prejudice shown is by those who wish to force their interpretation of the doctrine on others and to dismiss African cultural norms. One cannot change church doctrine on a whim. This man should not  even have been invited.

 

 

To the American Episcopal Church, good on you for doing the right thing. Sorry that the Church of England was not brave enough to do so as well.

[kamahele]

On 5/20/2018 at 12:57 AM, Dave67 said:

It was an embarrassing, cringefest as well as funny to see the Royals smirking and laughing.

I think it was embarrassing for the citizens of the UK to see how some of the attendees behaved (smirking) during the sermon. Money apparently can't buy manners.

[simoh1490]

28 minutes ago, kamahele said:

I think it was embarrassing for the citizens of the UK to see how some of the attendees behaved (smirking) during the sermon. Money apparently can't buy manners.

+1

 

Not far removed from posters on TVF who think there's only one way to conduct a religious ceremony in the UK.

[HAKAPALITA]

Best Comedy Show of the Week.Sir Les Paterson would have been the Iceing on the Cake.

[ivor bigun]

Yes, but Edward is gay and his wife is his beard. 

How can you say such a thing.We all thought he was a straight hetro macho man.lol

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[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

How can you say such a thing.We all thought he was a straight hetro macho man.lol

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I'm not getting into that, but your post reminded me that in all the hoopla I never heard any commentator point out the members of the royal family as they arrived. I assume Andy ( and Fergie ) and Edward, Anne etc attended, but they were ignored as far as the commentary was involved, and I have no idea if they were actually there, or not.

Would Charles have rated a mention if he hadn't escorted her down the aisle?

It's like they have all faded away, like the Cheshire cat in Alice in Wonderland.

[HAKAPALITA]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm not getting into that, but your post reminded me that in all the hoopla I never heard any commentator point out the members of the royal family as they arrived. I assume Andy ( and Fergie ) and Edward, Anne etc attended, but they were ignored as far as the commentary was involved, and I have no idea if they were actually there, or not.

Would Charles have rated a mention if he hadn't escorted her down the aisle?

It's like they have all faded away, like the Cheshire cat in Alice in Wonderland.

As you age you become a Cheshire Cat, but become wanted when the Kittens need something.

[Wake Up]

12 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Not at all, and you are  demonstrating the uneducated aspect. (Thank you for that.) Do you even know who this curry fellow is and the anguish and serious trouble he has caused for the worldwide communion? 

 

Are you even aware of the theological divide between the American church and the global Anglican communion over family  values and the role of homosexuals / gays within the communion? The USA church, to which this chap belongs pushed its views of homsexuality on the other members who resisted. The Americans nearly caused a major schism, because the Africans were very upset and felt that the US "liberal" views were contrary to African social customs which are inherently conservative.

In 2016, the global archbishops imposed sanctions on the US church, which included this preacher, and the archbishops issued a statement in support of the “traditional doctrine” that marriage should be between a man and a woman.  This position was not endorsed by the American bishop.   For reference sake the statement was as follows;

“The traditional doctrine of the church in view of the teaching of scripture, upholds marriage as between a man and a woman in faithful, lifelong union. The majority of those gathered reaffirm this teaching.”

 

This statement was drafted  to ensure that the most vocal opponents of the American position, the churches of kenya, Uganda and Nigeria, did not leave the communion in protest. As part of the agreement, the US Episcopal church was banned from representation on central church organizations and was barred until January 2020 from voting on issues relating to church doctrine.

 

Michael Curry, the presiding bishop of the US Episcopal church, the same person who presented his rambling speech criticized the position of the worldwide communion and rejected the concerns of its African members.

 

I am in no way saying that the position of the  US Church was wrong. However, that position stirred up alot sh*t and nearly caused a split in the church that would have seen African and Latin American along with the more conservative western members leaving. I don't doubt for a minute that the invitation of Curry was the doing of radical members of the Church of England. They were a tossing a bone to a fellow supporter of the erosion of current Church doctrine.

 

To those who are claiming prejudice, I suggest that they consider the fact that Bishop Curry is offensive to the African church. The prejudice shown is by those who wish to force their interpretation of the doctrine on others and to dismiss African cultural norms. One cannot change church doctrine on a whim. This man should not  even have been invited.

 

 

You cannot help yourself labeling others as uneducated as pronounced  in your first reply sentence. No need debating with an educated man like yourself. Those that disagree with you are clearly stupid. Enjoy that life brother.  Peace and cheers. 

[brewsterbudgen]

I can guarantee the queen was totally unamused. She's a stickler for protocol. This guy cut himself far too big a slice of the proceedings by over-running. The immodesty of it - apart from the content - was the problem. We now have to try hard to be polite and not link that kind of immodesty with the culture he represented.

Nonsense. The Queen was an admirer of the late Billy Graham and would have had some input or approval in the Archbishop of Canterbury's choice. You should give her more credit. Philip, however, may have been less amused.

 

Great to see the Royals moving with the times, and MM is, and will continue to be, a breath of fresh air.

 

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[geriatrickid]

15 hours ago, kamahele said:

To the American Episcopal Church, good on you for doing the right thing. Sorry that the Church of England was not brave enough to do so as well.

It was the African Churches who were most vocal in their protests. The Church of England itself had been supportive, but had reined in that support out of respect for the African and Latin American churches. The American Church hierarchy pushed its view on its members. The Anglican Communion is supposed to function as one, hence the need to respect the views of  other members. This is why many, many African and Latin American church members would have been offended to see Bishop Curry given the pulpit in front of the head of the Church of England. It is a theological concern with deep and painful roots.

 

[CharlesSwann]

14 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Nonsense. The Queen was an admirer of the late Billy Graham and would have had some input or approval in the Archbishop of Canterbury's choice. You should give her more credit. Philip, however, may have been less amused.

 

Great to see the Royals moving with the times, and MM is, and will continue to be, a breath of fresh air.

 

 

Well, if the Queen knew exactly how long he was going to take and didn't mind, then I stand corrected, but I heard he overran quite a bit - that was the problem. The service was supposed to run for one hour and thousands of people were waiting outside in the sun - not to mention billions of people watching and wondering when he was going to put a sock in it.

[wgdanson]

On 5/20/2018 at 5:01 PM, Basil B said:

to me the best part of the service was the Gospel Singers singing Ben E Kings "Stand By Me"

They were only called by Kensington Palace and asked to preform two weeks ago. This years Christmas hit???

 

Prefer John Winston's version.

[HAKAPALITA]

1 hour ago, wgdanson said:

Prefer John Winston's version.

Reminded me of the Amos and Andy Show.

[Jingthing]

His core message of the power and importance of love was actually quite good. But for some reason, for me, his affect and tone left me cold. You need the message AND the delivery to make the emotional connection. It seems that did work for many though. When he started talking about fire and airplanes -- OMG! 

[Basil B]

10 hours ago, wgdanson said:

Prefer John Winston's version.

On the radio yesterday they played a recording by "Karen Gibson and The Kingdom Choir" seemed rather flat compared to the live rendition at the Wedding, Ben E King is also getting a lot of Air Time, my money is on them being the Xmas No 1.

 

P.S. The Drifters were one of my favourite bands and still remember them playing at my local baths (they used to cover up the pool in winter).

Edited May 22, 2018 by Basil B

[Gecko123]

Black Episcopalian pastors are not especially known for overly animated deliveries of their sermons. Compared to both black and white Baptist and Pentacostal preachers, Michael Curry's delivery was quite reeled in, but if someone were accustomed to dozing through sermons, I can understand why they might be annoyed after having been so rudely jarred awake.

Edited May 22, 2018 by Gecko123

[wgdanson]

14 hours ago, HAKAPALITA said:

Reminded me of the Amos and Andy Show.

Or the B&W Minstrel Show !!!!!

[Mansell]

Personally I thought it was Inapropriate and over the top. I thought Harry looked very uncomfortable with it, while she seemed to smile at everything. This stuff may be fine in Oklahoma with the hillbillies but not in England at this level of society. But the two of them probably opted for his oratory. Typical over the top American in my book, and I hold an American passport along with my Brit one.

[Opl]

IMHO he made his sermon sound like a piece of cake for such a rich theme  

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Mansell said:

But the two of them probably opted for his oratory.

That should be "she probably opted for his oratory", as I doubt Harry had much knowledge of the good bishop's oratory previously, and he's just being a good husband of an "activist feminist" and going along with whatever she wants. Learned early that the only course of keeping marital relations happy is to always agree with whatever she wants.

[dick dasterdly]

Let's face it, his over-long, rambling, dis-jointed and largely pointless speech will be the main thing that most of us remember from the wedding! ?

[tolsti]

I was waiting for him to add his 0800 for direct online payment telephone number. 

[dick dasterdly]

48 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That should be "she probably opted for his oratory", as I doubt Harry had much knowledge of the good bishop's oratory previously, and he's just being a good husband of an "activist feminist" and going along with whatever she wants. Learned early that the only course of keeping marital relations happy is to always agree with whatever she wants.

Why have you put 'active feminist' in quotes?  Who are you quoting?

 

She's clearly a feminist and it's equally clear that you hate feminists or any women that have no interest in being anything other than the old-fashioned idea of a wife...

 

But this is off-topic.  The post just annoyed me enough to point out the obvious.

[blazes]

2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Why have you put 'active feminist' in quotes?  Who are you quoting?

 

She's clearly a feminist and it's equally clear that you hate feminists or any women that have no interest in being anything other than the old-fashioned idea of a wife...

 

But this is off-topic.  The post just annoyed me enough to point out the obvious.

This was a dastardly comment....

[blazes]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That should be "she probably opted for his oratory", as I doubt Harry had much knowledge of the good bishop's oratory previously, and he's just being a good husband of an "activist feminist" and going along with whatever she wants. Learned early that the only course of keeping marital relations happy is to always agree with whatever she wants.

 

Or, as Basil often says to Sibyl:  "you know best, dear"...