eggers Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 On 5/29/2018 at 7:58 AM, BobBKK said: As a Brit I am proud my country has given Thailand's first female PM a long visa and not thrown her back to the junta dogs. She should retire gracefully as she did her bit and is held in fond regard by most Thais. Don't forget, not voted out, thrown out and that is not the British way. Yep, she can join other fine collection of people who've recently migrated to UK & lifting the living standards of the country! No doubt, "the Puppeteer" assisted with some of his "charm" & other inducements!! Like your comment "...not voted out, thrown out and that is not the British way." How do you classify holding of Julian Assange in Embassy for years....the British way???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 I would be happier if she had to do 60/90 day visa runs in a mini van at high speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Yep, she can join other fine collection of people who've recently migrated to UK & lifting the living standards of the country! No doubt, "the Puppeteer" assisted with some of his "charm" & other inducements!! Like your comment "...not voted out, thrown out and that is not the British way." How do you classify holding of Julian Assange in Embassy for years....the British way???? The British are not holding Assange - he's taken refuge in an Embassy to avoid extradition. Sent from my SM-G930F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GroveHillWanderer Posted May 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2018 31 minutes ago, eggers said: Like your comment "...not voted out, thrown out and that is not the British way." How do you classify holding of Julian Assange in Embassy for years....the British way???? Julian Assange is not being held anywhere. He went to the Ecuadorian Embassy of his own free will and its staying there out of choice. He is not being forced to remain there, he is free to leave whenever he wants to. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GroveHillWanderer Posted May 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said: The British are not holding Assange - he's taken refuge in an Embassy to avoid extradition. Well, he did originally take refuge in the embassy to avoid a European arrest warrant that would have seen him taken to Sweden for questioning over rape allegations. That arrest warrant has since been cancelled and there are currently no extradition proceedings against him. If he left the embassy now, he would however be subject to arrest by British police for breaching his bail conditions. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBKK Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 hour ago, eggers said: Yep, she can join other fine collection of people who've recently migrated to UK & lifting the living standards of the country! No doubt, "the Puppeteer" assisted with some of his "charm" & other inducements!! Like your comment "...not voted out, thrown out and that is not the British way." How do you classify holding of Julian Assange in Embassy for years....the British way???? It's not British territory, thought you'd know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 13 hours ago, billd766 said: The problem with voting her out is that it is practically impossible because she was never "elected" in the sense of the term. She held a party list seat and the only way she would not have become an MP or PM would have been for the PTP to have been wiped out at the next election and to have gained NO party list seats. This is what I dislike the most about elections in Thailand. IMHO there should be NO party list seats. Every MP should stand in a constituency for an election. Any MP from the election only who becomes a minister or PM stays an MP as well and is not replaced with a bye election. In addition the successful MP MUST live in the constituency that they are elected to and MUST have a party office there and hold an open surgery at least 1 day per week for the constituents to meet and talk to their elected MP. Well, under the new constitution, the Senate members are appointed including permanent seats for the armed forces. The prime minister is also appointed and doesn't need to be a member of any party or indeed a politician. The NCPO have guaranteed a military controlling power. For example, the Senate can issue a vote of no confidence in the government at the time. And once again, people are constantly saying that Yingluk was ousted by the coup leaders. She wasn't. The courts unseated her prior to the coup. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donutz Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 7 hours ago, StevieAus said: Thanks for the info I will pass that on to my friend I he visits the UK and France each year and applies for the Schengen one each time I assumed you could only get it annually Fortunately it’s not a problem for us as my Thai wife also has Australian citizenship and passport makes life a lot easier when traveling. Simply indicate the MEV request on the application form and add a comment that they wish/need one for multiple years (And preferably also why incase the officer can') figure it out by him/herself) . If he is a UK national (or any other EU/EEA) nationality except French, then a visa to France will also be absolutely free and with minimum documents etc. See the Schengen sticky in the 'visa to other countries ' forum: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/forum/25-visas-and-migration-to-other-countries/ EU home affairs & visa policy: https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/visa-policy_en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 13 hours ago, jerojero said: How does one leave your native country with a revoked passport, criminal record and then obtain a new passport issued by another (foreign) country? And is supposedly legitimate and thus honoured by a western country (UK)? Perhaps she already had a passport from a different country before she was even charged with anything. Do you remember how many times she went on trips abroad. Maybe Thaksin put in a word for her at some country or other. As for the criminal record, she was charged with negligence IIRC by a coup derived government. How do you think that went down in western countries. It also seems that there is no red alert out for her on Interpol and without that she cannot be arrested and held anywhere except in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 8 hours ago, StevieAus said: As in Europe economic refugees are welcomed with opened arms and benefits. I'm not sure the refugees being held in detention camps on Nauru would agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 5 hours ago, HHTel said: And once again, people are constantly saying that Yingluk was ousted by the coup leaders. She wasn't. The courts unseated her prior to the coup. I wonder why they are saying it.I wonder why the international press said that.I wonder why most Thais said that. Could it be I wonder because most people not blinded by prejudice understand that Suthep and his middle class street mobs, the military leadership,the justice system and its associated agencies were working together for a particular goal.I'm not saying there was always organized co-ordination (though in the case of Prayuth and Suthep there was) but the enemies of democracy had a common objective.Thus it's not much more than semantics to say Yingluck was overthrown by a coup. Similar rubbish was spouted by some on the forum (now strangely silent for the most part) when Thaksin was ousted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieAus Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said: I'm not sure the refugees being held in detention camps on Nauru would agree with that. Depends from where they came also they could also have claimed asylum in the countries through which they passed but no doubt the free board and lodgings, medical services etc etc would not be as good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 If I said my wife has a 10 year multi entry for USA would it generate 16 pages of comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 29 minutes ago, jayboy said: I wonder why they are saying it.I wonder why the international press said that.I wonder why most Thais said that. Could it be I wonder because most people not blinded by prejudice understand that Suthep and his middle class street mobs, the military leadership,the justice system and its associated agencies were working together for a particular goal.I'm not saying there was always organized co-ordination (though in the case of Prayuth and Suthep there was) but the enemies of democracy had a common objective.Thus it's not much more than semantics to say Yingluck was overthrown by a coup. Similar rubbish was spouted by some on the forum (now strangely silent for the most part) when Thaksin was ousted. Firstly, the International Press didn't say that. I have a lot of sympathy for Yingluk and I'm glad she's got herself a place to stay. Just stating a fact that Prayut and his cronies didn't take her seat. That was taken over an 'abuse of power' that happened 3 years before the coup. Quote In a unanimous decision, the constitutional court ruled that Yingluck had acted with a hidden agenda when she transferred a senior civil servant to another position shortly after taking office in 2011. "The prime minister's status has come to an end," one of the court's nine judges said in a statement broadcast live on television. "Yingluck can no longer stay in her position acting as caretaker prime minister." Was that the work of the Junta? Coup or not, an 'elected prime minister' was not ousted. She was a 'caretaker', not elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 If I said my wife has a 10 year multi entry for USA would it generate 16 pages of comments?It would if you were married to Yingluck.Sent from my SM-G930F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jayboy Posted May 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, HHTel said: Firstly, the International Press didn't say that. I have a lot of sympathy for Yingluk and I'm glad she's got herself a place to stay. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/10852060/Thai-army-detains-former-PM-Yingluck-after-military-coup.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/07/thai-prime-minister-yingluck-shinawatra-steps-down https://www.economist.com/asia/2014/05/10/out-of-luck You have apparently ignored the reality that judiciary , military and other vested interests were working together. - which I was at pains to point out.This was not however lost on the international press.There was as the Economist pointed out a judicial coup.The military's assigned role was to administer the coup de grace to democracy. Edited May 30, 2018 by jayboy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAG Posted May 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2018 7 hours ago, HHTel said: And once again, people are constantly saying that Yingluk was ousted by the coup leaders. She wasn't. The courts unseated her prior to the coup. Let us not leave it there, you are omitting a rather important bit of the "matrix" The coup was mounted whilst an entirely legal and constitutional election was in progress. An election in which Yingluck was standing (again in accordance with the terms of the constitution) and an election which it was very likely she would win. Of course, it is pure conjecture whether she would have won that election, and thus be returned to power, but in pondering that perhaps we could consider the remarkably similar circumstances around the previous coup. Anyway, I am sure that you, as such a stickler for getting all the nuances surrounding the coup and Yingluck's "ousting" entirely accurate, will agree that it should be mentioned. I hope this helps... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Just read in the Dutch news that thousands of rich Russians and Chinese from dubious circles have bought visa's and passports for European countries. There does not seem to be any transparency. the European Union is investigating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 On 5/29/2018 at 6:27 AM, Thailand said: Perhaps P is seeing the writing on the wall and is actually going to the EU to apply for a passport. Will he too be charged with crimes like his 2 elected predecessors were? ... after he relinquishes his rule... or does Article 44 forever preclude the possibility of criminal charges? They call it a coup these days, but in past centuries it would have been called high treason. Spin it any way you like, but if the army in your home country started rolling tanks into parliament to oust the elected government, what would you call that? The interesting thing was that many foreigners on this forum supported the coup. Maybe it was the hot tropical sun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMuddle Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 On 5/29/2018 at 5:06 AM, Thechook said: Ouch this has to hurt the military junta and it's 2 supporters. Contrary to what. Prayuth really believes, the world doesn't support his military rule and see Yingluk as a political refugee 2 Supporters ? We know Steven 100 is his main cheerleader, but who is the other one ? I think we should be told !? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 11 hours ago, StevieAus said: It seems to be the attitude of governments elsewhere as well, once you leave your rights dissapear. In Australia apart from attempting to screw retirees by restricting who can obtain the retirement pension the government introduced a provision about two years ago that requires you stay for two years after first receiving the pension or you loose it. As in Europe economic refugees are welcomed with opened arms and benefits. Absolutely not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 22 hours ago, tropo said: It doesn't matter who brought the charges. No foreign government will recognise a court presided over by a junta... and putting the leader they ousted in that court makes the situation even more pathetic. Surely you realise the court is given its authority by the government, which at the moment is a one-man show, that has absolute authority. When people like you, who should know better, can't get this, it's no surprise he has the whole country hoodwinked. When people like me who have a different outlook than your own are therefore deemed to know better than what? The charges against Yingluck were brought before the Junta takeover. The Junta did not put her in court. She was already on her way there. It is your own interpretation of the outcome that the conclusion was directed by the Junta. But a more reasonable opinion would be that in the face of the facts that under law existing before the Junta and in actuality ratified by several previous Governments favourable to the Shiniwatra dynasty that the outcome was inevitable. "He has the whole country hoodwinked". Which " he " do you intend to attribute that statement to? The he who took advantage of cultural acceptance of classist dependancy? Or the he who has admittedly stumbled in encouraging individual thought and advancement? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 3 hours ago, StevieAus said: Depends from where they came also they could also have claimed asylum in the countries through which they passed but no doubt the free board and lodgings, medical services etc etc would not be as good. IIRC many of the refugees came via or from Indonesia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said: The charges against Yingluck were brought before the Junta takeover. The Junta did not put her in court. She was already on her way there. That same NACC who has procrastinated on Prawit case brought charges on her. That’s about right and politically correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said: When people like me who have a different outlook than your own are therefore deemed to know better than what? The charges against Yingluck were brought before the Junta takeover. The Junta did not put her in court. She was already on her way there. It is your own interpretation of the outcome that the conclusion was directed by the Junta. But a more reasonable opinion would be that in the face of the facts that under law existing before the Junta and in actuality ratified by several previous Governments favourable to the Shiniwatra dynasty that the outcome was inevitable. "He has the whole country hoodwinked". Which " he " do you intend to attribute that statement to? The he who took advantage of cultural acceptance of classist dependancy? Or the he who has admittedly stumbled in encouraging individual thought and advancement? 78 She was convicted more than 3 years after the coup, so how does that look to outside governments? Like revenge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, tropo said: She was convicted more than 3 years after the coup, so how does that look to outside governments? Like revenge. No. Justice in Thailand takes time. You wouldn’t have wanted a hastily constructed case without evidence - would you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Jip99 said: No. Justice in Thailand takes time. You wouldn’t have wanted a hastily constructed case without evidence - would you? Under the current government, it's all a charade, including justice... but when we're discussing the issuance of visas by other countries, it's how it looks from the outside that counts. Edited May 30, 2018 by tropo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KiwiKiwi Posted May 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2018 53 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said: When people like me who have a different outlook than your own are therefore deemed to know better than what? The charges against Yingluck were brought before the Junta takeover. The Junta did not put her in court. She was already on her way there. It is your own interpretation of the outcome that the conclusion was directed by the Junta. But a more reasonable opinion would be that in the face of the facts that under law existing before the Junta and in actuality ratified by several previous Governments favourable to the Shiniwatra dynasty that the outcome was inevitable. "He has the whole country hoodwinked". Which " he " do you intend to attribute that statement to? The he who took advantage of cultural acceptance of classist dependancy? Or the he who has admittedly stumbled in encouraging individual thought and advancement? For all the world like the Army, Suthep, the Dems, the Courts and the Civil Service weren't acting in concert in a treasonous conspiracy. Grow up. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted May 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2018 52 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said: When people like me who have a different outlook than your own are therefore deemed to know better than what? The charges against Yingluck were brought before the Junta takeover. The Junta did not put her in court. She was already on her way there. It is your own interpretation of the outcome that the conclusion was directed by the Junta. But a more reasonable opinion would be that in the face of the facts that under law existing before the Junta and in actuality ratified by several previous Governments favourable to the Shiniwatra dynasty that the outcome was inevitable. "He has the whole country hoodwinked". Which " he " do you intend to attribute that statement to? The he who took advantage of cultural acceptance of classist dependancy? Or the he who has admittedly stumbled in encouraging individual thought and advancement? I both agree and disagree with you. I agree that it is not necessarily due to the Junta. Actually it is due to the fact that the judiciary and semi-judiciary (I.e. NACC) are on the same side of the political arena as the Junta. The presence of the junta is only an aggravating factor as they have the exclusive power to appoint members of the judiciary and semi-judiciary (which is not the case for an elected government). The Judiciary is not dependent on elected governments so it is not surprising that Yingluck got convicted or investigated while in power. It does not prove that the judiciary is neutral and is exempt of political concern. Foreign countries are quite aware of it through their embassy (the US embassy cable leaks are quite instructing about the level of understanding of Thailand's politics that diplomats can reach). 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superal Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/30/2018 at 7:59 AM, StevieAus said: It seems to be the attitude of governments elsewhere as well, once you leave your rights dissapear. In Australia apart from attempting to screw retirees by restricting who can obtain the retirement pension the government introduced a provision about two years ago that requires you stay for two years after first receiving the pension or you loose it. As in Europe economic refugees are welcomed with opened arms and benefits. Who invented that and why ? Similar to being out of the UK for more than 6 months means you no longer receive the annual increase . These are really human rights infringements and how the governments get away with it is a real mystery . At the end of your working life and now a pensioner you should be free to do what you like and the government should be thanking you for all of the monetary contributions you have made throughout your working life . Feels like a kick in the whatsits . I used to admire Australia for its strict immigration policies but now I hear it is much the same as most other capitalist countries . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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