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[sanemax]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

You are completely missing the point. The issue is whether the father of the child has financial obligations to it, when the mother is not married. 

You cannot even follow the discussion .

We are talking about UNMARRIED Fathers and whether they have a legal obligation to pay financial support to a child .

   If the Parents are not married , then the Father has no rights and no financial obligation to support the child , IF the parents are married , then the Father has parental rights and also a legal financial obligation to support the child

[Trujillo]

try to stick to reality from this point on

 

Everything I have posted is true; what unreality are you referring to, specifically? 

 

My question is not really one so much of legal obligations of the man (and I am talking about a foreigner, not a Thai), but that of doing what's morally right.

 

This post was not about who should pay child support -- in fact, the men involved in this scenario don't even know they are fathers, so that's a mute point.

 

No one responded to my hypothetical, but maybe I am old school here in thinking that regardless of all else, making a woman pregnant is a significant thing. It's not like spilling a drink on someone. This is bringing a new life into the world and, like it or not, being the biological father. 

 

A lot of people are chasing red herrings here when the issue is simple: are you morally responsible for having a baby with someone? 

Edited June 6, 2018 by Trujillo

[sanemax]

7 minutes ago, Trujillo said:

try to stick to reality from this point on

 

 

 

No one responded to my hypothetical, but maybe I am old school here in thinking that regardless of all else, making a woman pregnant is a significant thing. It's not like spilling a drink on someone. This is bringing a new life into the world and, like it or not, being the biological father. 

 

A lot of people are chasing red herrings here when the issue is simple: are you morally responsible for having a baby with someone? 

Yes, if you copulate with a female and theres a possibility of her becoming pregnant , the decent responsible thing to do would be to wait around until the pregnancy results are known and if its a yes , then its time to change your lifestyle and become a Parent 

[Lacessit]

10 minutes ago, sanemax said:

You cannot even follow the discussion .

We are talking about UNMARRIED Fathers and whether they have a legal obligation to pay financial support to a child .

   If the Parents are not married , then the Father has no rights and no financial obligation to support the child , IF the parents are married , then the Father has parental rights and also a legal financial obligation to support the child

I've read the same legal stuff as you have. Nowhere in it is there a specific statement the father to the child of an unmarried mother is under no financial obligation. Presumably a court MAY decide that on behalf of the child. You can't prove a negative.

So it comes back to my initial question. If a father to a child of an unmarried mother is under no obligation whatsoever, why do they do a runner? Pattaya and Bangkok are full of bar girls with identical stories on that aspect. A child, father has disappeared, they come to the big cities to support their child and the family looking after the child. You don't see too many abdomens without stretch marks in the bars.

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Yes, if you copulate with a female and theres a possibility of her becoming pregnant , the decent responsible thing to do would be to wait around until the pregnancy results are known and if its a yes , then its time to change your lifestyle and become a Parent 

For once, I agree with you.

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I've read the same legal stuff as you have. Nowhere in it is there a specific statement the father to the child of an unmarried mother is under no financial obligation. Presumably a court MAY decide that on behalf of the child. You can't prove a negative.

So it comes back to my initial question. If a father to a child of an unmarried mother is under no obligation whatsoever, why do they do a runner? Pattaya and Bangkok are full of bar girls with identical stories on that aspect. A child, father has disappeared, they come to the big cities to support their child and the family looking after the child. You don't see too many abdomens without stretch marks in the bars.

I have posted the law (with a link to the law site ) about unmarried fathers having no financial obligation to pay any child support .

   The fact that many girls work in bars , kind of supports this .

If the Father was paying support , she wouldnt have to work in bars .

  Also, if the Father is legally required to pay child support , that doesnt mean that he has to pay to support the mother .

   Its usually the mother that does "a runner" to the bright lights of Pattaya , leaving the family , kid and father in the village . 

  

[smotherb]

8 hours ago, poanoi said:

not fault, but choice, and there's nothing i can do about it.

and on the face of it, i would violate her will if i went ahead and kicked her stomach

until she has a miscarriage, so thats not an option either,

so she can have her choice, but avoid getting anywhere near me with that bastard.

in all likelihood i will relocate to another country

so i wont have to have anything to do with it, ever.

she opt to get the child in spite of my position,

i do not give consent and i sure wont be contributing to bring up

a child i want nothing to do with and hope it is never born.

she gets pregnant if she didnt take the pill and she can take another pill

to get rid of it if she hadnt taken the first pill.

i'm willing to pay for the pill since it coincide with my will.

if she dont, she is making the choice to have a child with me that i do not give consent for.

 

 

You gave your consent when you put your seed inside her. Or, was that her fault too?

[poanoi]

1 hour ago, smotherb said:

You gave your consent when you put your seed inside her. Or, was that her fault too?

no, like i said: dont extrapolate what i give consent to,

and, its not a question of fault, its a question of choice

 

you are reasoning like the retards that groups woman and attack motorcyclists during songkran,

"they gave me consent when they ventured outside,

its their fault"

or rapists "she dressed like a slut, its her fault,

she took the first step, i just followed through"

 

 

 

Edited June 6, 2018 by poanoi

[richard_smith237]

59 minutes ago, poanoi said:

2 hours ago, smotherb said:

You gave your consent when you put your seed inside her. Or, was that her fault too?

no, like i said: dont extrapolate what i give consent to,

and, its not a question of fault, its a question of choice

 

you are reasoning like the retards that groups woman and attack motorcyclists during songkran,

"they gave me consent when they ventured outside,

its their fault"

or rapists "she dressed like a slut, its her fault,

she took the first step, i just followed through"

 

Agreed - its a question of Choice.... You choose to have penetrative sex with a female. But you fail to understand that in doing so there is a risk of pregnancy and that having made the choice to have penetrative sexy you are party responsible for any consequences (pregnancy). 

 

Your analogy's are fundamentally flawed and identify some rather distorted thinking. 

 

IF you want to have penetrative sex with a female and are not prepared to accept any of the responsibility (including risk of pregnancy) you should have the 'snip'.

 

 

[smotherb]

1 hour ago, poanoi said:

no, like i said: dont extrapolate what i give consent to,

and, its not a question of fault, its a question of choice

 

you are reasoning like the retards that groups woman and attack motorcyclists during songkran,

"they gave me consent when they ventured outside,

its their fault"

or rapists "she dressed like a slut, its her fault,

she took the first step, i just followed through"

 

 

 

The low-life retard response is coming from you. You say, "i (sic) just followed through," but yet somehow in your mind it was her fault.

[poanoi]

3 minutes ago, smotherb said:

The low-life retard response is coming from you. You say, "i (sic) just followed through," but yet somehow in your mind it was her fault.

no ones fault, its her choice if she give birth,

its not my choice.

 

your reasoning is the same as the songkran low life,

"its his fault if he chooses to drive on songkran, 

i dont need consent to attack, he just gave consent when he ventured outside"

i.e same reasoning as you, counting on consent where none is

[poanoi]

19 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Agreed - its a question of Choice.... You choose to have penetrative sex with a female. But you fail to understand that in doing so there is a risk of pregnancy and that having made the choice to have penetrative sexy you are party responsible for any consequences (pregnancy). 

 

Your analogy's are fundamentally flawed and identify some rather distorted thinking. 

 

IF you want to have penetrative sex with a female and are not prepared to accept any of the responsibility (including risk of pregnancy) you should have the 'snip'.

 

 

there is pills to take for that, my gf took it a couple of times

when our other measures didnt hold up.

 

that is, she opted to not have a child,

she could also have opted to have the child,

and there would have been absolutely nothing i could do about it, since it is her choice entirely

Edited June 6, 2018 by poanoi

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, poanoi said:

 

i.e same reasoning as you, counting on consent where none is

You do not consent to ejaculating inside a female ?

You are unaware that doing so, could result in a pregnancy ?

Do you have any Children ?

[smotherb]

1 minute ago, poanoi said:

no ones fault, its her choice if she give birth,

its not my choice.

 

your reasoning is the same as the songkran low life,

"its his fault if he chooses to drive on songkran, 

i dont need consent to attack, he just gave consent when he ventured outside"

i.e same reasoning as you, counting on consent where none is

I have really had enough of arguing with a duck. You may have the last word.

[poanoi]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

You do not consent to ejaculating inside a female ?

You are unaware that doing so, could result in a pregnancy ?

Do you have any Children ?

1 as a matter of fact no, i never ejaculate inside anyone

2 no

3 never, not ever

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, poanoi said:

1 as a matter of fact no, i never ejaculate inside anyone

2 no

3 never, not ever

Its better that you stay that way .

You should not reproduce , its better for your gene pool to expire with you .

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, smotherb said:

I have really had enough of arguing with a duck. You may have the last word.

I liked your previous expression better, pounding sand down a rat hole.

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, sanemax said:

I have posted the law (with a link to the law site ) about unmarried fathers having no financial obligation to pay any child support .

   The fact that many girls work in bars , kind of supports this .

If the Father was paying support , she wouldnt have to work in bars .

  Also, if the Father is legally required to pay child support , that doesnt mean that he has to pay to support the mother .

   Its usually the mother that does "a runner" to the bright lights of Pattaya , leaving the family , kid and father in the village . 

  

We are obviously failing to communicate. You are throwing up straw man arguments, plus begging the question. Your nom de plume does seem inappropriate in that respect.

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, poanoi said:

there is pills to take for that, my gf took it a couple of times

when our other measures didnt hold up.

 

that is, she opted to not have a child,

she could also have opted to have the child,

and there would have been absolutely nothing i could do about it, since it is her choice entirely

 

This is where your reasoning falls on its face. 

 

I agree that a female could opt or opt not to have the child as this is the females choice entirely. 

Equally so, its 'your' choice entirely what do you with your sexual organs and when this involves sexual penetration of a female there exists a potential consequence of your choice. The fact that a female has offered consent for this mutually enjoyable act does not resolve you of responsibility should you not favor the potential consequence.

 

 

 

 

[poanoi]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

This is where your reasoning falls on its face. 

 

I agree that a female could opt or opt not to have the child as this is the females choice entirely. 

Equally so, its 'your' choice entirely what do you with your sexual organs and when this involves sexual penetration of a female there exists a potential consequence of your choice. The fact that a female has offered consent for this mutually enjoyable act does not resolve you of responsibility should you not favor the potential consequence.

 

 

 

 

oh yes but it does, that still wont stop me from generously offer

to pay for the pill

[smotherb]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

I liked your previous expression better, pounding sand down a rat hole.

Yeah, I had a cantankerous old grandpappy; he was and is my hero. Both are his sayings. "You can't play games with a duck; they will just not understand." And, "Trying to explain something to you is like pounding sand down a rat hole."

[manarak]

6 hours ago, sanemax said:

Yes, if you copulate with a female and theres a possibility of her becoming pregnant , the decent responsible thing to do would be to wait around until the pregnancy results are known and if its a yes , then its time to change your lifestyle and become a Parent 

actually no, you should go buy a "morning after" pill in the pharmacy first thing in the morning.

[manarak]

8 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Well, let's see. Your first post on this thread starts with  a statement about ninnies on it.

You then proceed to a claim Thai women want your babies without any ensuing obligation. The inference being you are so overwhelmingly handsome and charismatic you are irresistible to them.

You then add in some unpleasantness when queried.

Excuse me if I don't share your high opinion of yourself. I guess I know who the troll is.

lol.

you are a good illustration of my first post.

 

and you make an inference, not me. I'm 44 years old, not an apollo but girls say I look "clean" and "narak". the "handsome" disappeared about 5 years ago... ? in any case, I don't look good enough to pull interesting women in Europe.

 

you brought the unpleasantness upon yourself by writing inane posts.

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, manarak said:

lol.

you are a good illustration of my first post.

 

and you make an inference, not me. I'm 44 years old, not an apollo but girls say I look "clean" and "narak". the "handsome" disappeared about 5 years ago... ? in any case, I don't look good enough to pull interesting women in Europe.

 

you brought the unpleasantness upon yourself by writing inane posts.

No, I brought the unpleasantness upon myself because I doubted your veracity.

It does comfort me when a person on TV resorts to an ad hominem attack, one of the techniques of dishonest argument.

[manarak]

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

No, I brought the unpleasantness upon myself because I doubted your veracity.

It does comfort me when a person on TV resorts to an ad hominem attack, one of the techniques of dishonest argument.

 

I made no dishonest argument.

other posters have experienced the same.

 

instead, there is you now publicly calling me a liar.

as I don't care about what you think, you will now join a handful of other trolls on my ignore list. BYE!

 

Edited June 6, 2018 by manarak

[Lacessit]

42 minutes ago, manarak said:

 

I made no dishonest argument.

other posters have experienced the same.

 

instead, there is you now publicly calling me a liar.

as I don't care about what you think, you will now join a handful of other trolls on my ignore list. BYE!

 

Good luck.

[rumak]

3 hours ago, manarak said:

 

I made no dishonest argument.

other posters have experienced the same.

 

instead, there is you now publicly calling me a liar.

as I don't care about what you think, you will now join a handful of other trolls on my ignore list. BYE!

 

Definition: An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" is a person who posts messages to bait people to answer. Trolls often delight in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion.

 

only a handful on your ignore list ?   actually i just got to the point today where I have put Everybody on my ignore list !!      ommmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Lacessit]

21 hours ago, rumak said:

Definition: An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" is a person who posts messages to bait people to answer. Trolls often delight in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion.

 

only a handful on your ignore list ?   actually i just got to the point today where I have put Everybody on my ignore list !!      ommmmmmmmmmmm

 

Do I hear the sound of one hand clapping?

[Trujillo]

actually no, you should go buy a "morning after" pill in the pharmacy first thing in the morning.

 

This presupposes the foreigner who just had sex with a girl for money gives a schlitz about the girl or what happens to her. 

The instances I am aware of the foreigner doesn't care. Obviously, or he'd not have planted his seed with reckless abandon. 

[Puwa]

Did I know I'm a daddy? Yes, I'm the Mac Daddy.