PM tells Thaksin, others in self-exile to return and have their day in court

[lvr181]

1 minute ago, Megasin1 said:

You missing the subtle Thai difference. The Red Bull heir paid off the policeman's family and also the police with quite hefty sums whereas the Shins have a tendency to keep all the money for themselves, something which is not appreciated by the other pigs at the trough.

"...subtle Thai difference."

 

Maybe "subtle" to Thai but not to most of the rest of the advanced world. Thai leaders perhaps do not recognise they are only big fish in the small pond.

 

"...which is not appreciated by the other pigs at the trough."

 

But they are now at the trough themselves. Different leadership, yet any claimed change remains illusionary.

[Eric Loh]

49 minutes ago, Megasin1 said:

You missing the subtle Thai difference. The Red Bull heir paid off the policeman's family and also the police with quite hefty sums whereas the Shins have a tendency to keep all the money for themselves, something which is not appreciated by the other pigs at the trough.

Not at all subtle but known facts that those uniformed pigs always get something from every government but they want it all. Those greedy generals just want all the money and power. 

[Wake Up]

If they come back I am leaving. I don’t want to see the blood bath that would happen if either of them were actually jailed.  

[KiwiKiwi]

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

You appear to have been a member since April this year. I'm flattered you've taken the time to read through all my posts from previous years. 

 

You might wish to also read the forum rules. Commenting on moderation is also prohibited.

 

Yah. Right. Excellent. Keep up the good work.

 

Watch out you don't comment on moderation now...

[chama]

19 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

They arranged to let them go and now you want them back. Just another pissing in the wind comment by Prayut. 

He can't admit to letting them go, but he can't seriously think that either of the two are stupid enough to come back to a place where justice has a comedic dark side and the results of a trial would be a foregone conclusion.

[ttrd]

RE - They were born Thai, but now live in another country as second-class citizens,” he said.

 

Second -class citizens, Prayut's own view of expats in Thailand.... for those who had doubts - dont...

Edited June 27, 2018 by ttrd

[Eligius]

15 minutes ago, ttrd said:

RE - They were born Thai, but now live in another country as second-class citizens,” he said.

 

Second -class citizens, Prayut's own view of expats in Thailand.... for those who had doubts - dont...

I don't think we rise as high as second-class citizens in his eyes: remember how a year or two ago he actually said he was sick of the foreigners complaining and would like to kick them out?!

[sungod]

20 hours ago, Lungstib said:

Is he talking about the same justice system that has sent protestors to jail for sedition after appearances in military courts? The one that sent a young man to jail for several years for sharing an article but leaving the other 3000 alone? Suddenly they are going to show impartiality? 

The same justice system that has acquitted numbers of red shirts too, you have a selective memory.

[GarryP]

3 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So please, show us where YL, any of her cronies or supporters, PTP, her legal team or anyone ever claimed or proved that she attended any meetings, made the statements she did apparently without any actual knowledge, or explained why she didn't do anything about the G2G fraud deals?

 

Stop basing your posts on Shin propaganda and fairy tales. Or do you believe the lovable siblings have never ever done anything wrong in their lives, never ever, just like the big boss says?

I know TS was found guilty and would not trust him as far as I could throw him. But what law did YL break and if there is one, when was it introduced. She does not seem to have done much different to others who went before her over the years. Many have been negligent in their duties, although perhaps the monetary damages inflicted were a wee bit higher in her case. 

[starky]

8 hours ago, Vacuum said:

He just got the leftovers after Shinawatra's milking.....

He didn't  "get" anything he stole it at gunpoint and is the same if not worse than the man he stole from all whilst pretending to be some pillar of virtue that will stamp out nepotism and corruption. Thanksin may be no good but he never pretended to be a saint, complete with his own propaganda team, songs and weekly television programs. 

Edited June 27, 2018 by starky

[Eligius]

22 minutes ago, starky said:

He didn't  "get" anything he stole it at gunpoint and is the same if not worse than the man he stole from all whilst pretending to be some pillar of virtue that will stamp out nepotism and corruption. Thanksin may be no good but he never pretended to be a saint, complete with his own propaganda team, songs and weekly television programs. 

Brilliant post. Something I have wanted to say for ages - but you have said it much better than I could. Absolutely spot on, Starky. Perfect!

 

Edited June 27, 2018 by Eligius

[Anak Nakal]

Why all talk?

It simple. Thaksin smarter then Frog-Kisser.

Done.

[pornprong]

7 hours ago, EnglishJohn said:

Perhaps all these people claiming Thaksin won't come back because he will not get a fair trial could explain to us why he did not come back under Pheu-Thai and have his day in court with his sister as PM and his UDD thugs intimidating the Judges outside the court and making death threats.

 

Only one reason can explain it to me. He is guilty and he knows it.

 

But don't let logic and reason interrupt your schoolboy bitching. The only effect you have is to confirm to Farang how far you are from a civilised democracy.

Easy to explain mate.

The Thai courts, just like the Thai military, are not under control of elected governments.

It is the root cause of all that ails Thailand.

 

Glad to see you can spell the words "logic" and "reason", now you just need to look up their definitions.

[pornprong]

1 hour ago, GarryP said:

I know TS was found guilty and would not trust him as far as I could throw him. But what law did YL break and if there is one, when was it introduced. She does not seem to have done much different to others who went before her over the years. Many have been negligent in their duties, although perhaps the monetary damages inflicted were a wee bit higher in her case. 

TS was found guilty.....but was he really guilty?

 

 

Nope!

 

http://slimdogsworld.blogspot.com

 

http://www.newmandala.org/a-response-to-vanina-sucharitkul/

[starky]

10 minutes ago, pornprong said:

TS was found guilty.....but was he really guilty?

 

 

Nope!

 

http://slimdogsworld.blogspot.com

 

http://www.newmandala.org/a-response-to-vanina-sucharitkul/

Nice post. Thanks! 

[pornprong]

5 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So please, show us where YL, any of her cronies or supporters, PTP, her legal team or anyone ever claimed or proved that she attended any meetings, made the statements she did apparently without any actual knowledge, or explained why she didn't do anything about the G2G fraud deals?

 

Stop basing your posts on Shin propaganda and fairy tales. Or do you believe the lovable siblings have never ever done anything wrong in their lives, never ever, just like the big boss says?

Former commerce minister Niwatthamrong Boonsongpaisarn told the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions that there was no need for then prime minister Yingluck to supervise every matter by herself after she had delegated one of the deputy prime ministers or a government agency to take responsibility over the matter.

 

I wonder who is the one that's really basing their posts on propaganda and nonsense???

bb??

[KiwiKiwi]

3 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Former commerce minister Niwatthamrong Boonsongpaisarn told the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions that there was no need for then prime minister Yingluck to supervise every matter by herself after she had delegated one of the deputy prime ministers or a government agency to take responsibility over the matter.

 

I wonder who is the one that's really basing their posts on propaganda and nonsense???

bb??

 

Ah, same as it ever was. Some things do not change. Though it appeared recently the leopard had changed it's spots to a more reasonable hue, alas, 'twas not to be.

 

Once an extremist...

 

[pornprong]

6 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

You are correct - if the law enforcement and judicial systems were impartial, effective and pursued justice both TS and YS would not be in exile - they would both be in jail!

 

As would a tremendous number of their cronies and a tremendous number of their opponents. Because the reality is they're all at it. The bias and partisan selectivity is clear. But that doesn't mean either those prosecuted or those allowed to sweep it under the carpet are innocent.

 

Justice has to be applied to everyone, fairly, without bias, and without selectivity. Look around the world and you won't find that. But some countries are much closer than others!

Yes, they're all at it........

but it's only the Shinawatra's that get you hard.

[KiwiKiwi]

59 minutes ago, starky said:

Nice post. Thanks! 

 

 

Good post indeed, which ought to expose the lies surrounding the case, many of which have been posted on TV.

 

But I am 100% sure the lie-peddlers will not allow truth to enter the equation, they seem (to me) to be too bitter and twisted to allow simple truth to affect their views.

 

 

[volsfan]

Pretty rich that the guy who seized power at the barrel of a gun and then passed laws exempting himself from prosecution wants other people to face the Thai farcial system of justice. 

 

How about he come out from behind his shield and go first. 

[Media1]

9 hours ago, lvr181 said:

'He' will - has lots of money.

True

[Eligius]

33 minutes ago, volsfan said:

Pretty rich that the guy who seized power at the barrel of a gun and then passed laws exempting himself from prosecution wants other people to face the Thai farcial system of justice. 

 

How about he come out from behind his shield and go first. 

Yes - and let Prayut be judged by his sworn enemies and political opponents - just as he and his lot do with the Shins and similar! Would he submit himself to that kind of balanced 'justice'? Of course not: he would run a million miles in sheer panic and terror!

[GarryP]

28 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

 

Good post indeed, which ought to expose the lies surrounding the case, many of which have been posted on TV.

 

But I am 100% sure the lie-peddlers will not allow truth to enter the equation, they seem (to me) to be too bitter and twisted to allow simple truth to affect their views.

 

 

Interesting articles.

 

If he wasn't such a polarizing figure perhaps he would have been welcomed back by now.  But it isn't going to happen anytime soon. I dislike the fellow and admit it and am unlikely to change as by now it has been fixed in my mind that he is bad.  Having said that even I must admit that Thailand has a lot to be grateful to him for, namely showing the people in the provinces that their vote matters, that they have a voice. It may have been mercenary on his part, to further his own ambitions, but he opened the flood gates, much to the chagrin of the oligarchs of central Thailand. I don't believe that they can turn that around no matter how much they would like to.

 

Moving on to the OP, as long as the courts of justice in Thailand are so "injust" returning to Thailand is not an option for any of those in exile, particularly those fleeing sedition or 112 charges. In the latter cases, justice could never be found in Thailand when the very judges are appointed by on high and thus impartiality ceases to exist, cases are behind closed doors, and even if the judges wished to be fair they would be too afraid rule many people innocent for fear of themselves being held in breach of that very section of law.  Note the case today, the actual issue of 112 was not even addressed in the judgement, just sedition charges. 

 

As to sedition, what has been found to be seditious would be laughed out of court in most civilized countries.  Some of the acts deemed seditious are are infantile. It is saddening that so many people have been hurt and families broken apart by attempts to control freedom of expression. 

 

And if Prayuth thinks of himself as a first class citizen because he lives in the country of his birth, he is mistaken.  He is a petty former general with anger management problems and no understanding of how the common person lives.             

[KiwiKiwi]

9 minutes ago, GarryP said:

Interesting articles.

 

If he wasn't such a polarizing figure perhaps he would have been welcomed back by now.  But it isn't going to happen anytime soon. I dislike the fellow and admit it and am unlikely to change as by now it has been fixed in my mind that he is bad.  Having said that even I must admit that Thailand has a lot to be grateful to him for, namely showing the people in the provinces that their vote matters, that they have a voice. It may have been mercenary on his part, to further his own ambitions, but he opened the flood gates, much to the chagrin of the oligarchs of central Thailand. I don't believe that they can turn that around no matter how much they would like to.

 

Moving on to the OP, as long as the courts of justice in Thailand are so "injust" returning to Thailand is not an option for any of those in exile, particularly those fleeing sedition or 112 charges. In the latter cases, justice could never be found in Thailand when the very judges are appointed by on high and thus impartiality ceases to exist, cases are behind closed doors, and even if the judges wished to be fair they would be too afraid rule many people innocent for fear of themselves being held in breach of that very section of law.  Note the case today, the actual issue of 112 was not even addressed in the judgement, just sedition charges. 

 

As to sedition, what has been found to be seditious would be laughed out of court in most civilized countries.  Some of the acts deemed seditious are are infantile. It is saddening that so many people have been hurt and families broken apart by attempts to control freedom of expression. 

 

And if Prayuth thinks of himself as a first class citizen because he lives in the country of his birth, he is mistaken.  He is a petty former general with anger management problems and no understanding of how the common person lives.             

 

Agree with all that. On the money.

[ttrd]

2 hours ago, GarryP said:

Interesting articles.

 

If he wasn't such a polarizing figure perhaps he would have been welcomed back by now.  But it isn't going to happen anytime soon. I dislike the fellow and admit it and am unlikely to change as by now it has been fixed in my mind that he is bad.  Having said that even I must admit that Thailand has a lot to be grateful to him for, namely showing the people in the provinces that their vote matters, that they have a voice. It may have been mercenary on his part, to further his own ambitions, but he opened the flood gates, much to the chagrin of the oligarchs of central Thailand. I don't believe that they can turn that around no matter how much they would like to.

 

Moving on to the OP, as long as the courts of justice in Thailand are so "injust" returning to Thailand is not an option for any of those in exile, particularly those fleeing sedition or 112 charges. In the latter cases, justice could never be found in Thailand when the very judges are appointed by on high and thus impartiality ceases to exist, cases are behind closed doors, and even if the judges wished to be fair they would be too afraid rule many people innocent for fear of themselves being held in breach of that very section of law.  Note the case today, the actual issue of 112 was not even addressed in the judgement, just sedition charges. 

 

As to sedition, what has been found to be seditious would be laughed out of court in most civilized countries.  Some of the acts deemed seditious are are infantile. It is saddening that so many people have been hurt and families broken apart by attempts to control freedom of expression. 

 

And if Prayuth thinks of himself as a first class citizen because he lives in the country of his birth, he is mistaken.  He is a petty former general with anger management problems and no understanding of how the common person lives.             

RE - And if Prayuth thinks of himself as a first class citizen because he lives in the country of his birth, he is mistaken.  He is a petty former general with anger management problems and no understanding of how the common person lives.    

 

It has been some discussions in connections with the recently and sad incident where 13 boys still are trapped inside the cage and it was asked as follows: If you had the power to save the boys and you need to replace them with someone, who would that be? The 2 answers which topped the list as clear winners was (1) Prayut,  (2) My wife....

[lamyai3]

On 6/26/2018 at 7:07 PM, PJPom said:

I consider the accompanying photo sums up the report, hilarious!

Looks like one of the famous cardboard cutouts. 

[pornprong]

10 hours ago, GarryP said:

Interesting articles.

 

If he wasn't such a polarizing figure perhaps he would have been welcomed back by now.  But it isn't going to happen anytime soon. I dislike the fellow and admit it and am unlikely to change as by now it has been fixed in my mind that he is bad.  Having said that even I must admit that Thailand has a lot to be grateful to him for, namely showing the people in the provinces that their vote matters, that they have a voice. It may have been mercenary on his part, to further his own ambitions, but he opened the flood gates, much to the chagrin of the oligarchs of central Thailand. I don't believe that they can turn that around no matter how much they would like to.

 

Moving on to the OP, as long as the courts of justice in Thailand are so "injust" returning to Thailand is not an option for any of those in exile, particularly those fleeing sedition or 112 charges. In the latter cases, justice could never be found in Thailand when the very judges are appointed by on high and thus impartiality ceases to exist, cases are behind closed doors, and even if the judges wished to be fair they would be too afraid rule many people innocent for fear of themselves being held in breach of that very section of law.  Note the case today, the actual issue of 112 was not even addressed in the judgement, just sedition charges. 

 

As to sedition, what has been found to be seditious would be laughed out of court in most civilized countries.  Some of the acts deemed seditious are are infantile. It is saddening that so many people have been hurt and families broken apart by attempts to control freedom of expression. 

 

And if Prayuth thinks of himself as a first class citizen because he lives in the country of his birth, he is mistaken.  He is a petty former general with anger management problems and no understanding of how the common person lives.             

But is he really such a polarising figure??

 

He is the first Thai PM to complete a full term in office.

He won re-election in 2005 with over 14 million votes and 375 seats

(compared to a paltry 4 million votes and 96 seats to the Democrats)

After 2 coups and a decade state sponsored propaganda - he still commands massive levels of support amongst the people.

 

Looked at objectively, he is actually a uniting figure.

Thailand has never been more united than at the high-water mark of Thaksin.

 

Thaksin's greatest crime, in the eyes of the elites, is not corruption, nepotism or self enrichment - it is his popularity.

 

[Sydebolle]

The General speaks from experience; non-Thais are certainly second-class people in Thailand! 

But why worry, I am sure that he brought back the renegade red-bull-heir in his luggage so the judges will be busy sorting out things. It might take a moment as some defenders of the law are busy decorating their new homes at Doi Suthep anytime soon. 

Once done then another first-class citizen, the black panther poaching president of a small construction workshop, can be taken to the bench for further processing. 
 

All the while his deputy can make sure, that everything is properly and timely arranged, provided his friend's wrist watches were not collected by the rightful heirs. 

On a more serious note, is anyone proofreading the stuff coming from those VIPs before it is published/spoken/printed? 

[baboon]

8 hours ago, ttrd said:

RE - And if Prayuth thinks of himself as a first class citizen because he lives in the country of his birth, he is mistaken.  He is a petty former general with anger management problems and no understanding of how the common person lives.    

 

It has been some discussions in connections with the recently and sad incident where 13 boys still are trapped inside the cage and it was asked as follows: If you had the power to save the boys and you need to replace them with someone, who would that be? The 2 answers which topped the list as clear winners was (1) Prayut,  (2) My wife....

I'll go with (2). And put me in charge of the rescue party, for what a party it will be...?

Edited June 28, 2018 by baboon