Popular Post Artisi Posted July 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2018 1 hour ago, boooker said: This cave had been a tunnel between Myanmar and Thailand for other reasons in the Golden Triangle locals know the place well.Maybe they never been there after dicovered some...... And what bar stool did that gem of nonsense come? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE REVERAND Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 As an OLD COAL MINER from Australia HOPEFULLY GOOD LUCK IS ON THEIR SIDE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokSausage Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 It's been rainy for 2 months....The cave would not be dry.... I sure hope the comment about they went in for physical exercise including swimming is not true....How could the head (not assistant) coach allow that practice? He needs to address the comment (take responsibility) or deny it....The coach would know that cave well and probably explored it in dry seasonThey didn't just stumble upon it.Sadly the team mentality meant even the frightened boys would have kept quite and pushed on. I know I would of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 1 hour ago, boooker said: This cave had been a tunnel between Myanmar and Thailand for other reasons in the Golden Triangle locals know the place well.Maybe they never been there after dicovered some...... Some what ? BTW , it wasnt a tunnel between Myanmar and Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 6 hours ago, BobbyL said: I just cannot understand how a group of school kids could have been able to go so far into this cave system, when trained divers and NAVY seals are struggling to do it. They entered it before it flooded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 9 hours ago, Fish Head Soup said: The reader had said to use 'non poisonous dye' and the comment was shot down by idiots and had about 40 'dislikes'. That's BP readers for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 3 hours ago, cardinalblue said: It's been rainy for 2 months....The cave would not be dry.... I sure hope the comment about they went in for physical exercise including swimming is not true....How could the head (not assistant) coach allow that practice? He needs to address the comment (take responsibility) or deny it.... In an earlier, related thread, parents of the trapped children said the coach had taken the young footballers into the cave before as part of their "team building" training. Sounds a reasonable concept but very bad timing in this instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, NanLaew said: In an earlier, related thread, parents of the trapped children said the coach had taken the young footballers into the cave before as part of their "team building" training. Sounds a reasonable concept but very bad timing in this instance. Yeah, that's what I figured. Team building. But in this case much closer to team killing. The blame game doesn't help now, but he really should have known better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKiwi Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Yeah, that's what I figured. Team building. But in this case much closer to team killing. The blame game doesn't help now, but he really should have known better. I think you can take it that 'team building' was not what he was doing. LImited opportunity for valid team building in a flooded cave with no equipment. He was likely attending to his needs, not those of the kids. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Yeah, that's what I figured. Team building. But in this case much closer to team killing. The blame game doesn't help now, but he really should have known better. Easy there Tonto, nobody's been declared dead or a killer yet. Familiarity breeds contempt which is not unique to Thailand. However, I did read in a very early news line on this story that even though the warning signage is in place, Forestry or Park officials are supposed to escort or guide any and all visitors to this cave. Somebody wasn't doing their job properly and it wasn't the coach. I feel an "inactive post" coming up, don't you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprigger Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 7 hours ago, BobbyL said: I just cannot understand how a group of school kids could have been able to go so far into this cave system, when trained divers and NAVY seals are struggling to do it. Do you actually understand what has happened, the boys entered the cave when it was dry. Started raining unbeknown to them cave filled up with water ( a flash flood ) trapping them inside. Do try to keep up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, NanLaew said: Easy there Tonto, nobody's been declared dead or a killer yet. Familiarity breeds contempt which is not unique to Thailand. However, I did read in a very early news line on this story that even though the warning signage is in place, Forestry or Park officials are supposed to escort or guide any and all visitors to this cave. Somebody wasn't doing their job properly and it wasn't the coach. I feel an "inactive post" coming up, don't you? I was being rhetorical. You know perfectly well I wasn't implying he intentionally wanted to harm the boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Just now, KiwiKiwi said: I think you can take it that 'team building' was not what he was doing. LImited opportunity for valid team building in a flooded cave with no equipment. He was likely attending to his needs, not those of the kids. Well you just carry on with that rather odious opinion. Loads of team building going camping at night with limited resources... like cans of baked beans and no can opener. I wonder how many Boy Scout's learned the importance of keeping the matches dry or checking that fresh batteries for the flashlight the hard way? ...but I guess you were never a Boy Scout either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Artisi Posted July 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2018 Seems the village idiot is even stooping lower now in Thai bashing. " He was likely attending to his needs, not those of the kids." -- about as subtle as a sledge hammer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jingthing said: I was being rhetorical. You know perfectly well I wasn't implying he intentionally wanted to harm the boys. Yes, I know you weren't implying that. Pity that some others don't agree with our shared opinion on the coach's misguided intentions based probably on being ill-informed... and being allowed free access to a restricted area by people way above his pay grade who should have been acting with much more responsibility. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyL Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, Sprigger said: Do you actually understand what has happened, the boys entered the cave when it was dry. Started raining unbeknown to them cave filled up with water ( a flash flood ) trapping them inside. Do try to keep up But as many others have posted it has been raining there for quite some time prior to last weekend. Therefore, I would assume the cave was not dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKiwi Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, NanLaew said: Well you just carry on with that rather odious opinion. Loads of team building going camping at night with limited resources... like cans of baked beans and no can opener. I wonder how many Boy Scout's learned the importance of keeping the matches dry or checking that fresh batteries for the flashlight the hard way? ...but I guess you were never a Boy Scout either. I was but that is a long time ago and irrelevant. The genuine 'team building' opportunities without equipment in a flooded cave are really limited. Plus I gather he went home first to get a couple of tents. Why? And; I am entitled to have an odious opinion if my professional training creates one for me, it has nothing to do with you and nobody is forcing you to read it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 1 minute ago, BobbyL said: But as many others have posted it has been raining there for quite some time prior to last weekend. Therefore, I would assume the cave was not dry. and the inference is? Many caves in Thailand and throughout the world are not dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henryford Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Artisi said: and the inference is? Many caves in Thailand and throughout the world are not dry. The inference is that entering a cave system that was wet in the rainy season was foolhardy in the extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josephbloggs Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 34 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said: I think you can take it that 'team building' was not what he was doing. LImited opportunity for valid team building in a flooded cave with no equipment. He was likely attending to his needs, not those of the kids. And you keep stooping to ever new lows; plumbing ever new depths. You must be a very lonely man. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just1Voice Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 I can't help but wonder how in the world these boys and their coach got to deep into the cave in the first place? They had to have encountered many of the same flooded passages the rescuers have encountered, so how did they get past them? Something just doesn't add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 24 minutes ago, Henryford said: The inference is that entering a cave system that was wet in the rainy season was foolhardy in the extreme. if you just back track a little- the cave entrance did say danger - starting July. Yeah - yeah, he should have known better - have you ever exceeded the speed limit, parked in a no parking area or over-stayed the parking time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Just now, Just1Voice said: I can't help but wonder how in the world these boys and their coach got to deep into the cave in the first place? They had to have encountered many of the same flooded passages the rescuers have encountered, so how did they get past them? Something just doesn't add up. Conditions were obviously different when they entered. Beyond that, we don't know much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, josephbloggs said: And you keep stooping to ever new lows; plumbing ever new depths. You must be a very lonely man. you are too polite ….. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie H Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Just now, Artisi said: you are too polite ….. You still here? lol This was interesting for a day but i moved on. Is TVF actually your life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Just1Voice said: I can't help but wonder how in the world these boys and their coach got to deep into the cave in the first place? They had to have encountered many of the same flooded passages the rescuers have encountered, so how did they get past them? Something just doesn't add up. Many of the passages are walkable in, particularly when you are 12 years old. They are unlit but we must assume this group had lamps, but probably not one each. But due to the total internal volume of the passage, heavy rains will cause them to fill to the roof. However, I agree with you that they appear to have gone very far in. Probably a 3 hour return trip underground. I imagine the "coach" was telling them what to do and they didn't want to challenge authority or appear scared in front of the others. I have been to this cave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie H Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Briggsy said: Many of the passages are walkable in, particularly when you are 12 years old. They are unlit but we must assume this group had lamps, but probably not one each. But due to the total internal volume of the passage, heavy rains will cause them to fill to the roof. However, I agree with you that they appear to have gone very far in. Probably a 3 hour return trip underground. I imagine the "coach" was telling them what to do and they didn't want to challenge authority or appear scared in front of the others. I have been to this cave. So tell us all how many meters past the entrance did you go? Or did you just there and take a few selfies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Julie H said: You still here? lol This was interesting for a day but i moved on. Is TVF actually your life? you know what - you weren't even missed - funny that isn't it. but welcome back anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 20 minutes ago, Just1Voice said: I can't help but wonder how in the world these boys and their coach got to deep into the cave in the first place? They had to have encountered many of the same flooded passages the rescuers have encountered, so how did they get past them? Something just doesn't add up. I have the same thoughts. Are the rescuers assuming that prior to and on the Saturday the boys entered the cave, these sections that are difficult to negotiate even with diving equipment were dry and easily passable? But someone said it has been raining in Chiang Rai for months ,so surely the passageways would have been impassable already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bannork said: I have the same thoughts. Are the rescuers assuming that prior to and on the Saturday the boys entered the cave, these sections that are difficult to negotiate even with diving equipment were dry and easily passable? But someone said it has been raining in Chiang Rai for months ,so surely the passageways would have been impassable already? Very good questions. But dead or alive, they need to be somewhere. But where? Anyway we all hope they're alive in that Pattaya Beach area and they can be reached ASAP. But personally, I think it's quite possible that they went "swimming" the first day and that was it. Edited July 2, 2018 by Jingthing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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