Tham Luang cave: As water levels recede, rescuers inclined to evacuate stranded 13 before rains aggravate floods

[yrag]

1 hour ago, RickBradford said:

They don't have enough time to drain the  caves so the students can walk or wade out.

They don't have enough time to teach the kids to handle such a dangerous dive and swim.

They don't have enough time to drill an alternative exit to extract the students through.

 

I hope and pray I am wrong.

 

They have time...They have no other choice as oxygen levels have fallen and once rains come could flood the small area where their at....They have to make the evacuation now by Saturday...Do or die situation

[sanemax]

One positive aspect is that the boys know the cave , they have been through it numerous times before , so they "know the way" , of course it will be much more difficult with water there, but, at least they are aware of the way out

[yrag]

2 hours ago, chama said:

This is a tough decision. One would think with all of our technology and experience this could get done soon but obviously the problem is far more complex. If the boys remain in the cave they could be exposed to higher water and other long term health effects. Taking the boys out now with their lack of swimming experience could prove dicey. If everyone does not come out alive there will be a lot of criticism. Involving the parents in the conversation may insulate the decision makers from some criticism but also inject even more emotion into a decision making process that should be purely tactical. 

 

Good luck. Get it done.

They have no other choice as oxygen levels have fallen and once rains come could flood the small area where their at....They have to make the evacuation now by Saturday.

[tifino]

time to bring in the high tech air monitoring sensors

 

the Case is so he don't drown before doing his job

[poohy]

sad as this is its local news

Time to remember that probably 60 people have died in a boat sinking and that is getting no coverage

[sanemax]

2 hours ago, chama said:

This is a tough decision. One would think with all of our technology and experience this could get done soon but obviously the problem is far more complex. If the boys remain in the cave they could be exposed to higher water and other long term health effects. Taking the boys out now with their lack of swimming experience could prove dicey. If everyone does not come out alive there will be a lot of criticism. Involving the parents in the conversation may insulate the decision makers from some criticism but also inject even more emotion into a decision making process that should be purely tactical. 

Good luck. Get it done.

Whatever the outcome, I do not envisage much criticism from the Thais as they are aware of the precarious predicament that the boys are in and there is no certain/correct way to proceed to get the desired outcome .

   Then again, whatever the outcome there will be criticism and complaints  from TV posters , who WILL find an aspect to moan about .

   It would be a joyous occasion if the rescued boys emerge from the cave and Big Joke was there to arrest all the working foreigners . 

   We could get YEARS of moaning out of that story , with Big Joke standing there and pointing at the wet felang scuba divers

[Sheryl]

5 hours ago, HHTel said:

Yes we do.  It's been reported multiple times.  He lost consciousness on his way back due to lack of air.  His dive buddy tried to revive him but without success. 

These multiple reports are all repeating one report, a statement by the deputy governor at the press conference (or the translation of it).  No other source. I very, very much doubt there was actual knowledge of cause of death at the time that statement was made and I am not even sure that the Dep. Gov, a non-medical person, meant to be that specific.

 

The official Navy Seals site statement makes it clear cause of death not yet established.

[Sheryl]

7 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Whatever the outcome, I do not envisage much criticism from the Thais as they are aware of the precarious predicament that the boys are in and there is no certain/correct way to proceed to get the desired outcome .

   Then again, whatever the outcome there will be criticism and complaints  from TV posters , who WILL find an aspect to moan about .

 

Unfortunately I think you are spot on.

 

This crisis has brought out the best in Thailand. It has not brought out the best in some members of this forum.  ?

[utalkin2me]

Seriously, it is clear they need to be led out one by one. I think there is just someone, or some group, too scared to make the call. 

[Sheryl]

Actually rumor is that they already have. A press conference is imminent and the Minister of the Interior has flown up for it. Widely expected that this is what will be announced, per reports from media there.

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[holy cow cm]

That is what the Thai live news was pointed at as it was starting or underway 

[chickenslegs]

Having seen the fantastic work by everyone involved in the "search phase", I am 100% confident that the team will make the correct decisions in the "rescue phase".

 

If it is true that they have decided to dive the boys out tonight, then the other options must be even more risky/impractical.

 

Hoping and praying for no more dramas or twists in this incident.

[roo860]

One positive aspect is that the boys know the cave , they have been through it numerous times before , so they "know the way" , of course it will be much more difficult with water there, but, at least they are aware of the way out

With practicality zero visibility.

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[BangkokSausage]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

One positive aspect is that the boys know the cave , they have been through it numerous times before , so they "know the way" , of course it will be much more difficult with water there, but, at least they are aware of the way out

They have been numerous times? how do you know? They are deep in the bowels and it will take hours in murky water with kids as young as 11 terrified out of their minds and probably crying for mom.

Its a complete nightmare

[AlexRich]

The Guardian is reporting of a press conference at the site. It appears that the authorities are attempting to get the kids out tonight before more rain arrives. The two British guys appeared at the site later this afternoon ... I hope when i wake up tomorrow it's good news.

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, AlexRich said:

The Guardian is reporting of a press conference at the site. It appears that the authorities are attempting to get the kids out tonight before more rain arrives. The two British guys appeared at the site later this afternoon ... I hope when i wake up tomorrow it's good news.

Live on FB live now

 

[AlexRich]

Update - governor stated that there will be no rescue tonight. He said kids cannot dive at this time?

[biplanebluey]

On 7/6/2018 at 7:08 AM, BobbyL said:

?

 

Are you serious? 

Stupid comment

[biplanebluey]

On 7/6/2018 at 6:49 AM, stevenl said:

Looking at the forecasts I have said all along: get them out Friday or Saturday.

 

I don't foresee any problems with them diving and trekking.

That’s the most stupid comment I have seen 

[bandito]

On ‎7‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 6:49 AM, stevenl said:

Looking at the forecasts I have said all along: get them out Friday or Saturday.

 

I don't foresee any problems with them diving and trekking.

You don't know what you're talking about.

[bandito]

On ‎7‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 7:12 AM, stevenl said:

I have been saying this for a few days now, why wouldn't I be serious.

 

I have not much cave diving experience, but have taught many kids diving. What is your experience?

 

Are there caves in the Netherlands?

I think you have zero, nada, niente experience.

Learning kids diving in youre swimming pool?

Does'nt count to cave diving.?

[natway09]

With all due respect the navy seals have already lost one through lack of basic principles such as "buddy" diving. Do they really have the skill, patience & fortitude to struggle with a kid who may panic at the worst possible moment.

Bringing them out this way was the first option suggested , I hope it is not "loss of face" that 

makes them adhere to the first idea..

The US divers said it could be done but with great difficulty,,,, suggest use the with some Brits 

to help & oversee the Thai seals

[HHTel]

1 hour ago, natway09 said:

lack of basic principles such as "buddy" diving.

According to reports, the diver died in spite of 'buddy' diving.  His diving partner tried to resuscitate him.

 

[Sheryl]

According to reports, the diver died in spite of 'buddy' diving.  His diving partner tried to resuscitate him.
 

Correct.

And British divers ARE being fully utilized.

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[vogie]

14 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Update - governor stated that there will be no rescue tonight. He said kids cannot dive at this time?

It has just been on Sky news live from the cave that the boys are not ready to be extridited, they are not yet capable enough to swim out.

[steve73]

Diving in a cave, or most likely scrambling and crawling underwater will use substantially more air than normal open water diving.  We've heard from many regular scuba divers on these thread saying novices can use 3 or 4 times as much air as an experienced diver. 

Even experienced cave divers will use 3-4 times as much air crawling and squeezing as they would swimming in open water.  And the physical effort required carrying spare air tanks or supplies will use more again.  The unlucky rescue diver that died was an ex-Seal.  Probably unused to diving in caves at all, and possible out of regular diving practice. With the additional physical effort required perhaps had not realised quite how fast he was using his air.  It may have simply run out, (such that he had no time to share from his dive partner - even assuming they have this ability), or he may have noticed his low air in a particularly tight passage, panicked, and had insufficient time to get to a spare tank. 

I'm sure the divers are keeping a close watch on how much air they are using, and logging it each time they emerge... or they should be.   Such info could be useful in assessing air requirement for the extraction phase (if it goes ahead), or for future training.

 

[tingtongtourist]

15 hours ago, BangkokSausage said:

They have been numerous times? how do you know? They are deep in the bowels and it will take hours in murky water with kids as young as 11 terrified out of their minds and probably crying for mom.

Its a complete nightmare

this is one scenario

 

another could be that their thoughts will not be wrecked with this sort of negativity (which us westerners to often automatically default to)

and they will be so determine to get out that place, they will just get it done without thinking to much.

 

say what you want about Thais but i have found, when they are absolutely determined to do something they actually will do it very well.

Im thinking/hoping a positive result unless they are incredibly unlucky with the weather.

[Aforek]

23 hours ago, heybuz said:

I'm all for drilling a shaft. surely a mining company would have the expertise to do this.

The difficult thing is that the place where the kids are is small; if they drill, from let's say 500 meters high or more, with a tropical vegetation above the ground  , how can they find the hole ? ; they can miss it by  several hundred meters 

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

It has just been on Sky news live from the cave that the boys are not ready to be extridited, they are not yet capable enough to swim out.

 

It's a really scary situation. I'd hate to be the guy that has to make the decision on this one as the kids will have to go through a treacherous underwater obstacle course over a very long distance. Tough even for an experienced cave diver. 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, AlexRich said:

 

It's a really scary situation. I'd hate to be the guy that has to make the decision on this one as the kids will have to go through a treacherous underwater obstacle course over a very long distance. Tough even for an experienced cave diver. 

Yes, but not only that, there was a cave specialist being interviewed on the tv, he said the cave will be alive with bacteria and fungi, which would be a risk to the boys health, it would seem there isn't a suitable option at the moment.