bkkcanuck8 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Just now, Spidey said: As someone who has been down a fair few pots in his youth, I can assure you that this is complete nonsense. Guano (bat droppings) and rats are only likely to be found in the cavern nearest to the cave entrance. The deeper you go into a cave system, the less signs of life you see, particularly if sections are difficult to pass. At 4 km in, unlikely to see any signs of organic life. Also, the water they were drinking had dripped from the walls of the cave. Rainwater filtered through a 1000 feet of limestone rock is the purest, cleanest water you are likely to ever consume. These guys were at much more risk of catching a communicable disease sat at home on the farm for the last 2 weeks than sat 4km into a cave system. The quarantine issue is a red herring. Boys should have been reunited with their families immediately. Makes me wonder if other posters aren't correct in stating that they are being "saved" for a political opportunity for the generals. 2 Quarantine would be warranted if they are still in a weakened state... though I think the hospital would be the last place you would want to take them since it is likely a germ infested location ? 9 days of not eating then likely a few days of MERs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post janclaes47 Posted July 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, GBW said: 22 minutes ago, Spidey said: The leader of the rescue mission made it quite clear in a press conference, earlier today, that it's their policy to bring out the fittest and most able first. The leader???? whats his/her name? Fact! the first lad out was THE WEAKEST IN CONDITION. So on and so on............... Please keep up. So i guess you are the leader on site then, because you know better than all the contradicting news reports. Anyway, why is it so important to the armchair experts in this thread who came out first? The only goal is to get them out all as soon as possible. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bung Posted July 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2018 If I read another comment about if it was the weakest or strongest first my head will explode! 2 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttrd Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Sheryl said: @ChannelNewsAsia 1m1 minute ago JUST IN: An eighth person has been rescued from #ThamLuang cave complex, Reuters reports Excellent, then they may Complete the mission tomorrow - 5 more to go! Edited July 9, 2018 by ttrd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Get Real said: Do you see it stands Global Moderator under the handle? Let´s just say that gives her that right. Now you can go sleep happy, and hopefully not say so much more. I was quoting what I have read and been told as late as tonight on the live coverage. You said no opinion was offered on a subject which she did comment on. I have no problem whatsoever with her expressing an opinion - only that you said she did not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkcanuck8 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 minute ago, janclaes47 said: So i guess you are the leader on site then, because you know better than all the contradicting news reports. Anyway, why is it so important to the armchair experts in this thread who came out first? The only goal is to get them out all as soon as possible. The goal should be to get them out alive.... period. We know very little about the conditions, all we have is rumours because of the lack of an official spokesman making sure the news is out there and accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post overherebc Posted July 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bung said: If I read another comment about if it was the weakest or strongest first my head will explode! Join the club mate. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Just now, bkkcanuck8 said: Quarantine would be warranted if they are still in a weakened state... though I think the hospital would be the last place you would want to take them since it is likely a germ infested location ? 9 days of not eating then likely a few days of MERs. So, in the West, if a child is taken to hospital suffering from hypothermia and malnutrition, it's quarantined? I don't think so! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, Get Real said: What are you going on about??? The 8th boy has been rescued, and the operations continues tomorrow. Think the comment was - waiting for the last one to be brought out (in the near future). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBW Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, ttrd said: It doesnt look good... https://www.accuweather.com/en/th/chiang-mai/317505/weather-forecast/317505 please. look at a map! If you want to post weather, try Mae Sai@ accu.................................... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kadilo Posted July 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bung said: If I read another comment about if it was the weakest or strongest first my head will explode! I don’t know why they care, Everyone knows they did it by playing Rock, Scissors, Stones. Edited July 9, 2018 by Kadilo 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkcanuck8 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Just now, Spidey said: So, in the West, if a child is taken to hospital suffering from hypothermia and malnutrition, it's quarantined? I don't think so! Definitely would be close to it - they would be in the critical care ward... and the visitors are extremely curtailed and under very strict conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Just now, bkkcanuck8 said: Definitely would be close to it - they would be in the critical care ward... and the visitors are extremely curtailed and under very strict conditions. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkcanuck8 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Just now, Spidey said: Nope. We are not talking undernourished, we are talking starved... for almost 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bung said: If I read another comment about if it was the weakest or strongest first my head will explode! Well it seems to make a big difference to some - why will have to remain a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, jerry921 said: I'm a little worried about by the different descriptions in various media of the boys coming out of the cave. Some have some of them being carried out of the cave on a stretcher, while for example we have number 8 walking out of the cave. It could just be the reporting, or it could mean that some of the boys today did not come through it as well as the boys yesterday. Hopefully its just variance in the media and not the actual condition of the boys. I am wishing to hear what we were told about the first four boys, that they are "all in good condition". I would imagine that if the medics doing the post 'escape' examination had any doubts at all, they would prefer caution to haste. Hospitals do this sometimes, insisting you are transferred in a wheelchair regardless of how you feel. This is normally done to protect the hospital's insurance, unlike the guys in the cave entrance who only have the subject's well-being on their minds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 helicopter landing in Chiang Rai now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post overherebc Posted July 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 minute ago, bkkcanuck8 said: The goal should be to get them out alive.... period. We know very little about the conditions, all we have is rumours because of the lack of an official spokesman making sure the news is out there and accurate. There is only one important point. Getting the kids out. Who went first who came out last? Who the hell cares as long as they all get out. When they are all out people can start their own thread on how what where when and who. Just think about the kids and of course the divers and hope you never need their services 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttrd Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, GBW said: please. look at a map! If you want to post weather, try Mae Sai@ accu.................................… Unfortunately - it doesnt make any difference: https://www.accuweather.com/en/th/mae-sai/317553/weather-forecast/317553 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burwellrelate Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I'm so glad they did not end up having to wait those six months. It's so dangerous and I'm glad it's going well so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickmouse1 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 We are nearly there.Excellent work in progress.? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry921 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Just now, overherebc said: There is only one important point. Getting the kids out. Who went first who came out last? Who the hell cares as long as they all get out. When they are all out people can start their own thread on how what where when and who. Just think about the kids and of course the divers and hope you never need their services Alive and in good condition, not alive but in a persistent vegetative state due to oxygen deprivation during a diving accident. It matters. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post overherebc Posted July 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, chrisinth said: I would imagine that if the medics doing the post 'escape' examination had any doubts at all, they would prefer caution to haste. Hospitals do this sometimes, insisting you are transferred in a wheelchair regardless of how you feel. This is normally done to protect the hospital's insurance, unlike the guys in the cave entrance who only have the subject's well-being on their minds. Yep. Was moved in wheelchair to the hospital door after getting a leg plastercast removed and then had to walk to the car park. That's the way it is. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peterw42 Posted July 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said: Definitely would be close to it - they would be in the critical care ward... and the visitors are extremely curtailed and under very strict conditions. I think there may be a small part of the hospital quarantine is to do with quarantining them from the media. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/how-first-four-of-12-trapped-thai-schoolboys-were-rescued-from-the-cave/news-story/4e28d1c5864029c9132ef1bb2eff9f8b 'An Australian doctor’s triaging of 12 boys trapped in a cave in northern Thailand may have led to the rescue of four of the weakest children first. The initial plan was to bring the strongest out first. But after Adelaide cave diver and anaesthetist Richard Harris, 53, assessed the youngsters and their coach that strategy appears to have been reversed, Thai media has reported.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttrd Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mickmouse1 said: We are nearly there.Excellent work in progress.? 61,5% of the mission Successfully Completed in just 2 days - Superb! Edited July 9, 2018 by ttrd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mailonmailoo Posted July 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, GBW said: The leader???? whats his/her name? Fact! the first lad out was THE WEAKEST IN CONDITION. So on and so on............... Please keep up. The whole operation has been conducted jointly by governative offices that has been working under the supervision of the Chiang Rai Governor. All the operations steps has been discussed and finalized jointly, in easy word "Real Cooperation" By my side Thumbs up to anyone involved in this cooperation doesn't matter the nationality or the position 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sheryl Posted July 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, Spidey said: As someone who has been down a fair few pots in his youth, I can assure you that this is complete nonsense. Guano (bat droppings) and rats are only likely to be found in the cavern nearest to the cave entrance. The deeper you go into a cave system, the less signs of life you see, particularly if sections are difficult to pass. At 4 km in, unlikely to see any signs of organic life. Also, the water they were drinking had dripped from the walls of the cave. Rainwater filtered through a 1000 feet of limestone rock is the purest, cleanest water you are likely to ever consume. These guys were at much more risk of catching a communicable disease sat at home on the farm for the last 2 weeks than sat 4km into a cave system. The quarantine issue is a red herring. Boys should have been reunited with their families immediately. Makes me wonder if other posters aren't correct in stating that they are being "saved" for a political opportunity for the generals. It is not unlike Thai medical practice to be overly fretful/cautious. Look at their rules regarding simple blood donation, for example - full of completely unnecessary restrictions and (frankly pointless) precautions. And here, they are confronted with a completely new situation, quite likely with the Command Post making starkly clear that under no circumstances is anything to be allowed to go wrong now. I agree it is unnecessary but I doubt anything sinister or ulterior behind it. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, Spidey said: So, in the West, if a child is taken to hospital suffering from hypothermia and malnutrition, it's quarantined? I don't think so! If a child in the West was rescued after 16 days trapped in a cave system, they would certainly be put in some sort of isolation ward until it was proven that the child's immune system was functioning correctly and that the child was clear of secondary shock (something that hasn't been mentioned before that I have read). I know it doesn't directly answer your well worded question about someone only suffering from hypothermia & malnutrition, but as the thread is about these boys I thought I would give you an equal scenario. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spidey Posted July 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said: We are not talking undernourished, we are talking starved... for almost 2 weeks. No we aren't. Have been fed since they were found. Also Australian medic has been with them for the last few days. I'm sure that his priority would have been to ensure that they receive the appropriate nourishment. We are talking about a group of fit young boys, after a day of rest, the best thing for them would to be out in the fresh air, kicking a ball about in the hospital grounds. Kids, especially Thai kids are remarkably resilient. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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