U.S. accuses Russian spies of 2016 election hacking, summit looms

[bristolboy]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

They are fictitious allegations.The  Mueller investigation is   investigating Russians that can't be convicted or go to trial.Close down his investigation for  Russian Collusion with the Trump Campaign. 

Open a new Investigation Russia sowing discord with America since the cold war because that what this has turn to. Again no Americans were involved with Russian Interference of the Election.

 Rosenstein  should be impeached by the Congress for holding  America hostage,by not producing one piece of evidence that implicates DT or PT.  

 

Because the way investigations have always worked is to inform potential targets of the evidence against them.

[riclag]

Also research and investigations will never stop countries and people who want to harm cyber technology.Impossible

[riclag]

2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Because the way investigations have always worked is to inform potential targets of the evidence against them.

I have no idea what your talking about! 

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

I have no idea what your talking about! 

Not surprising, given your comments.

[heybruce]

7 minutes ago, riclag said:

They are fictitious allegations.The  Mueller investigation is   investigating Russians that can't be convicted or go to trial.Close down his investigation for  Russian Collusion with the Trump Campaign. 

Open a new Investigation Russia sowing discord with America since the cold war because that what this has turn to. Again no Americans were involved with Russian Interference of the Election.

 Rosenstein  should be impeached by the Congress for holding  America hostage,by not producing one piece of evidence that implicates DT or PT.  

 

Rosenstein appointed Mueller "to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 Presidential election".  https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/17/us/politics/document-Robert-Mueller-Special-Counsel-Russia.html

 

I think that's a damned good idea.  I don't understand why anyone who cares about democracy in the US would think otherwise.

[heybruce]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

Also research and investigations will never stop countries and people who want to harm cyber technology.Impossible

Do you think we should give up and let Putin choose the US President?  Or do you want to turn off the internet?

 

Research and investigations will limit the ability of people to use technology to commit crimes.  The crime of concern here is Russia's attempt to undermine democracy in the US.  Clearly there are Trumpies who put their cultish loyalty to the buffoon ahead of their country.  Russia thanks you.

[riclag]

8 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Do you think we should give up and let Putin choose the US President?  Or do you want to turn off the internet?

 

Research and investigations will limit the ability of people to use technology to commit crimes.  The crime of concern here is Russia's attempt to undermine democracy in the US.  Clearly there are Trumpies who put their cultish loyalty to the buffoon ahead of their country.  Russia thanks you.

It's overblown ,it's been happening(sowing discord) with my country for decades

[heybruce]

21 minutes ago, riclag said:

It's overblown ,it's been happening(sowing discord) with my country for decades

Perhaps, but the internet and social media allow it to be done far more efficiently and effectively than before.  That is why it must be stopped.

[BobBKK]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Please noet that there is a huge difference between openly "influencing things" by publicly stating a position on an issue (for example, Obama publicly agreeing with the UK government's opposition to Brexit before the vote) and surreptitiously hacking into private servers and election systems in an attempt to undermine democracy.

 

Yes I want to know if there was collusion, but more than that I want to know how Russia attempted to covertly influence the election and how it can be prevented in the future.  For that reason I want Mueller's investigation to continue.  Don't you?

You are suggesting the US does not hack into computers?  anyway yes we all want to know IF there was ANY collusion but I very much doubt it but I'l tell you one thing, Dems will spin it and spin it and spin it. At the moment the announcement is No collusion, No effect on results. 

[heybruce]

22 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

You are suggesting the US does not hack into computers?  anyway yes we all want to know IF there was ANY collusion but I very much doubt it but I'l tell you one thing, Dems will spin it and spin it and spin it. At the moment the announcement is No collusion, No effect on results. 

I suspect that US intelligence agencies attempt to hack into some computers.  I have no reason to believe they do it to influence elections.  Do you?

 

I don't know if collusion will be found.  This investigation is about Russian interference in US elections, if collusion is part of the interference it needs investigating, if collusion is not part of the interference and the Russians used useful idiots that needs to be investigated also.

 

There is absolutely no way to prove the Russian interference didn't affect the election results.  There is no way to know that future interference won't affect election results.  That is why the investigation must continue.

 

Regarding spinning the investigation, Mueller's appointment letter doesn't mention collusion.  That word is used by Trump and his supporters to discredit a necessary investigation.  Their spinning of the investigation makes one think they are afraid of what it might reveal.

[bristolboy]

How Do You Say ‘Witch Hunt’ in Russian?

It sure is strange that Donald Trump is so angry at American justice for the indictment of 12 Russian military officers.

You might expect that an American president, presented with the indictment of a dozen Russian military officers for engaging in a concerted, yearslong cyberattack on American democracy, would be outraged and demand justice.,,

 But his anger is directed at his fellow Americans. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/opinion/editorials/mueller-indictment-trump-russia-hacking.html

[bristolboy]

Mueller reveals depth of states' election vulnerabilities

Special counsel Robert Mueller's latest indictment offers new details of just how deeply Russian operatives have infiltrated state and local election agencies across the U.S. — adding to years of warnings about the technologies that underpin American democracy.

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said Friday that hackers within Russia's GRU military intelligence service targeted state and local election boards, infiltrated a Florida-based company that supplies software for voting machines across the country, and broke into a state election website to steal sensitive information on about 500,000 American voters.

While the FBI had issued warnings in 2016 about hackers breaching state election websites in Illinois and Arizona, the latest indictments in Mueller's ongoing Russia probe surfaced the most granular account yet on foreign operatives’ efforts to tamper with U.S. election systems.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/13/robert-mueller-probe-state-election-systems-686522

[Redline]

13 hours ago, jb61 said:

but, wait, in 2016 Obama said it was impossible to hack the U.S. election. And he also stated that Russia did NOT

hack the election.

 

 

 

https://yournewswire.com/obama-russia-did-not-hack-elections/

 

https://realclimatescience.com/2017/06/obama-2016-impossible-to-hack-us-elections/

 

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/31/flashback-obama-ridicules-trump-for-saying-election-could-be-unduly-influenced/

Apparently he was wrong, and every USA intelligence agency will tell you the same ?

Edited July 14, 2018 by Redline

[riclag]

When did this occur !   If it was so concerning why wasn't  it dealt with severely,other then a "cut it out" and some diplomats being expelled .

Whats even more alarming why were the FBI told to stand down!

Treacherous Dem's have made this political . Very obvious,especially with the timing. Rosenstein days are numbered!

Edited July 14, 2018 by riclag

[Redline]

9 hours ago, riclag said:

It's overblown ,it's been happening(sowing discord) with my country for decades

Another denial.  Worse than the hackers 

[Redline]

9 hours ago, riclag said:

Also research and investigations will never stop countries and people who want to harm cyber technology.Impossible

That’s what the governments are supposed to do.  So your suggestion is to do nothing ??

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

When did this occur !   If it was so concerning why wasn't  it dealt with severely,other then a "cut it out" and some diplomats being expelled .

Whats even more alarming why were the FBI told to stand down!

Treacherous Dem's have made this political . Very obvious,especially with the timing. Rosenstein days are numbered!

Perhaps because it took over a year of exhaustive investigation to reveal the extent of the hacking.

 

When was the FBI told to stand down?

 

"Treacherous Dem's have made this political ."  Hilarious.  Trump and company are trying to shut down an investigation into an existential threat to democracy in the US, and the Trumpies accuse the Democrats of making it political.

 

BTW, Mueller is a Republican.  So is Rosenstein.

Edited July 14, 2018 by heybruce

[bendejo]

17 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

So are these "fake" witches?

 

He is now calling it a rigged witch hunt.  He taunts with tautology.  His fervor is fervent.

 

It looks like the witches are Stone, Manafort and Gaetz.  Like the three witches in Macbeth, with DT playing both Macbeth and Lady Macbeth -- it takes a stable genius to pull that one off.

But if there is justice these witches will be in the cauldron, hopefully soon. 

 

Oh, if only they could do a Thaksin on him: remove him while he's out of the country. Waiting to hear news that Air Force One is making an unplanned flight in the direction of Russia....

 

 

Edited July 14, 2018 by bendejo

[bendejo]

So, the question all along has been about collusion.  DT has proclaimed "no collusion" so often that you know he's as guilty as hell, any kind of law enforcement officer with more than 1 week's experience can tell you that.  He gets his Fox News buddies to go along "shut it down!  If they haven't found anything by now..."  And this from the same pack of goons who pursued Hillary for 2 and a half years and STILL want the Benghazi investigation re-opened.  Really, is it possible to be any more obvious?

If someone is accused of colluding with criminals, well, the criminals must be identified.  That's what's being done now, these indictments are the 'dots.'  When all are laid out then we see the connections, and all hell breaks lose.  And on this I can agree with the Fox goon squad: let's get it over with, the sooner the better!

270 potential indictments?  Impressive....

 

 

[bristolboy]

24 minutes ago, sailormandan said:

Do not be gullible. These indictments offer not one bit of proof, only statements. On or about, really? Don’t forget that the DNC servers nor Clinton private servers have never been examined. Don’t forget that Clinton had Blackberry’s destroyed and there are missing laptop computers. Don’t forget that the only real evidence is the transfer rate of data from DNC computers/servers and that proves that the data had to be transferred to an external drive, as not even 25% of the transfer speed is achievable over the Internet. This has been proven and points to an internal leak, not a hack and Muller convineantly ignores all of this. 

 

I am no Trump supporter, that is for sure but this Russian propaganda is frightening as it exposes the real collusion between the deep state, Democratic Party, some Republicans and the press. 

 

More then a year and a half in and Muller has produced proof of nothing. 

I am not a Trump supporter but.....

[mtls2005]

20 hours ago, riclag said:

That was locker room campaign rally rhetoric.

 

"Grab 'em by the 'stolen emails'?

 

https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

 

Conspiracy (ies) will likely be easy to prove, but I doubt tRump himself was aware of it, or if he was his mind is shot so he's forgotten.

 

Nixon enjoyed massive support ("Silent Majority") right up until two weeks before he resigned. He won the 1972 election in a landslide, with 520 electoral college votes and took every state except MA and DC.

 

 

 

Edited July 15, 2018 by mtls2005

[riclag]

7 hours ago, heybruce said:

Perhaps because it took over a year of exhaustive investigation to reveal the extent of the hacking.

 

When was the FBI told to stand down?

 

"Treacherous Dem's have made this political ."  Hilarious.  Trump and company are trying to shut down an investigation into an existential threat to democracy in the US, and the Trumpies accuse the Democrats of making it political.

 

BTW, Mueller is a Republican.  So is Rosenstein.

It was revealed  June 25,2018,by Obama's cyber security guy. Have you ever heard of John McCain,Jeff Flake and Bob Corker-  they are also scum bag Republicans. .Rosenstein will get what's coming to him soon enough ,held in contempt.

[mtls2005]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

Rosenstein will get what's coming to him soon enough ,held in contempt.

 

[riclag]

18 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

House Conservatives Prepare Impeachment Charges against Rosenstein

July 13,2018

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/freedom-caucus-prepares-impeachment-charges-against-rod-rosenstein/

Edited July 15, 2018 by riclag

[bristolboy]

4 hours ago, bristolboy said:

I am not a Trump supporter but.....

In his testimony in January on the cyber attacks, then-director of the FBI James Comey said the agency never got access to the machines themselves, but obtained access to the forensics from a review of the system performed by CrowdStrike, a third-party cybersecurity firm.

"We got the forensics from the pros that they hired which -- again, best practice is always to get access to the machines themselves, but this my folks tell me was an appropriate substitute," Comey said.

"The DNC coordinated with the FBI and federal intelligence agencies and provided everything they requested, including copies of DNC servers," Watson said.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jul/11/donald-trump/did-john-podesta-deny-cia-and-fbi-access-dnc-serve/

[FritsSikkink]

23 hours ago, riclag said:

 1 month ago he did 70.so now that's 270.A side note ,the warlocks Mueller and Rosenstein played a trick on the POTUS,waiting for him to meet with Vlad. He might as well indited Russian ghosts,cause these people aren't settin foot in the USA,so know way to prove or disprove their allegations.

Still convinced it is a witch hunt? 

Nah, you probably are.

[Ramen087]

Headline... Current government officials accuse foreign espionage agents of doing their jobs based on...Well, we think the circumstantial evidence just might give us some leverage going into midterm elections, because we know we got nuttin' else. Colossal waste of time and money. Sadly, each major party have been gaining expertise in this kind of endeavor for decades. Leads to apathy in the populace, and it's easy to see why.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 7/14/2018 at 5:33 AM, rooster59 said:

Trump lawyer Rudolph Giuliani said in a tweet after the indictments were unveiled:

 

"The indictments Rod Rosenstein announced are good news for all Americans. The Russians are nailed. No Americans are involved.

 

Guiliani has an interesting lack of comprehension of the English language.

 

Yes, no Americans were INDICTED in this latest filing of charges. But Americans, including a Congressional candidate who apparently succeeded in getting elected, clearly were INVOLVED as recipients and even beneficiaries of the stolen info.

 

On 7/14/2018 at 5:33 AM, rooster59 said:

It says that Russian operatives provided direct assistance to a candidate for the U.S. Congress, who in August 2016 requested and received from Guccifer 2.0 documents stolen from the DCCC about their opponent.

 

Requested and received stolen/hacked info!!!

 

Slowly but surely, the noose tightens. And the timing couldn't have been better, just ahead of the Trump-Putin summit where Trump will grovel at the feet of his master.

 

Edited July 15, 2018 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[tumama]

Great. Now we can finally get to see some evidence of the alleged Russian meddling. Will this stop US from meddling in other country's elections? I doubt it. 

[bristolboy]

3 hours ago, Rigby40 said:

Wonder who they're going to blame when Trump wins again in 2020?

More trolling.