Palestinian teenager killed in Israel-Gaza border protests

[Jingthing]

Fair or not, there will be no Palestinian return to Israel. Israelis aren't into suicide, so sue them. They need to wake up and adjust their demands to something more realistic. A Palestinian state can be realistic. Forget the crazy stuff. 

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

I am simply detailing casualties relative to the topic concerning the Great March of Return.

But since you asked...year 2000 onwards..
 
Of the 10,851 people who have been killed in the Israel-Palestine conflict since September 29, 2000, 88% were Palestinian and 12% were Israeli.
Of the 2,311 children who have been killed in the Israel-Palestine conflict since September 29, 2000, 94% were Palestinian and 6% were Israeli.
 
At least 101,558 Palestinians and 11,962 Israelis have been injured by someone from the other side since 2000.  89% were Palestinian and 11% were Israeli.
 
https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/charts/
 
Sad figures for both sides. Time international pressure brought this conflict to an end rather than their current indifference or worse... fanning the flames.

Those are interesting statistics.
How many Israeli children/terrorists attacked Gaza or the West Bank or approached the border illegally with or without weapons?


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[lvr181]

Hamas and other extremists use kids (and women) as cannon fodder!

 

If Hamas wants to fight, put uniforms on and go and fight Israel. Stand up and be counted for what you believe in. Is it going to happen? NO.

 

[wabothai]

Another despicable act of terror by the IDF Bulley Boys .

[Morch]

 

@dexterm

 

Considering your posting history includes excuses and justifications for Palestinians who murdered Israeli children the above statement is either a change in "policy" or more likely the usual misleading dishonest rubbish. Similar inconsistencies with regard to your "take" on rockets launched from the Gaza Strip.

 

Hamas, obviously, not mentioned. Easier perhaps to distance oneself some from Islamic Jihad. In the same way no questions whatsoever about placing young ones in harm's way - somehow that's not something you seem to consider the various Palestinian leaderships and organizations responsible for. On the other hand, when Israeli kids are hurt in the West Bank, you're all for holding their parents and the Israeli government responsible. Go figure.

 

As for your "account", characteristically adopting whichever Palestinian version more likely to assist in milking PR value off casualties - there are actually two versions as to where they were at the time. The one appearing in Al-Jazeera (and several Arab language Palestinian outlets) says on the rooftop of the building attacked, rather than "in a public park" (which is actually next door).

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/07/twins-gaza-mourns-teenage-boys-killed-israeli-air-raid-180715163136405.html

 

The relevance would be said building being used as (among others) a training facility by Hamas. Not expecting any half coherent or reasoned comment on the practice of placing such facilities near mosques, play grounds and whatnot. Spin away.

 

IDF counters Hamas ‘fake news’ about Gaza target with Arabic-language video

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-counters-hamas-fake-news-with-arabic-language-video/

 

 

[Scott]

Offensive graphic post removed along with replies.  

[dexterm]

9 hours ago, Morch said:

 

@dexterm

 

Considering your posting history includes excuses and justifications for Palestinians who murdered Israeli children the above statement is either a change in "policy" or more likely the usual misleading dishonest rubbish. Similar inconsistencies with regard to your "take" on rockets launched from the Gaza Strip.

 

Hamas, obviously, not mentioned. Easier perhaps to distance oneself some from Islamic Jihad. In the same way no questions whatsoever about placing young ones in harm's way - somehow that's not something you seem to consider the various Palestinian leaderships and organizations responsible for. On the other hand, when Israeli kids are hurt in the West Bank, you're all for holding their parents and the Israeli government responsible. Go figure.

 

As for your "account", characteristically adopting whichever Palestinian version more likely to assist in milking PR value off casualties - there are actually two versions as to where they were at the time. The one appearing in Al-Jazeera (and several Arab language Palestinian outlets) says on the rooftop of the building attacked, rather than "in a public park" (which is actually next door).

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/07/twins-gaza-mourns-teenage-boys-killed-israeli-air-raid-180715163136405.html

 

The relevance would be said building being used as (among others) a training facility by Hamas. Not expecting any half coherent or reasoned comment on the practice of placing such facilities near mosques, play grounds and whatnot. Spin away.

 

IDF counters Hamas ‘fake news’ about Gaza target with Arabic-language video

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-counters-hamas-fake-news-with-arabic-language-video/

 

 

I have never justified the killing of innocent children, which I find offensive. No way of sanitizing that. Sorry I may have got the location of the children's corpses wrong..an empty building in a built up area or the public park where families stroll and children play next door to it.  You appear concerned about the niceties of location but not a word of sympathy from you about any of the children's deaths this weekend or Israel's responsibility in pulling the trigger. I prefer to be emotive and a human being.

 

The IDF who kill Palestinian children with precision weapons I regard as terrorists.

[BonnieandClyde]

What a ghastly mess in the Middle East.

Young people shot down like dogs.

No political or religious agenda could justify that.

[lvr181]

28 minutes ago, BonnieandClyde said:

What a ghastly mess in the Middle East.

Young people shot down like dogs.

No political or religious agenda could justify that.

That is 'religion' for you and the reason why I prefer not to be 'religious'.

 

Some have said "I will pray for you" - how wonderful but I am prepared to THINK for them. 

[geriatrickid]

On 7/14/2018 at 2:03 AM, nobodysfriend said:

Shame on you , Israel !

Shame for pretending the protesters are a threat to Israels security , shame on you , Israel , for using lethal force on teenagers throwing stones , shame for always finding the same lame excuses for their horrible acts .." they want to invade Israel and kill us all "etc ... bullshit ! They do NOT want to invade Israel , but they hate Israel because of what Israel did to them .

Just one more dead , so used to this already ... but who are the real terrorists in this conflict ?

 

Shame on you for ignoring that these people are throwing grenades and bombs, and incendiary devices.

[geriatrickid]

46 minutes ago, BonnieandClyde said:

What a ghastly mess in the Middle East.

Young people shot down like dogs.

No political or religious agenda could justify that.

Unfortunately, sometimes this is the only way to defend against a rabid attacking dog. If these people were not attacking and trying to cross the border into Israel, they would not get shot.

[BonnieandClyde]

1 minute ago, geriatrickid said:

Unfortunately, sometimes this is the only way to defend against a rabid attacking dog. If these people were not attacking and trying to cross the border into Israel, they would not get shot.

You're trying to defend the indefensible. The horrific photographs and the casualty statistics tell the story.

The whole world is against the illegal settlements in the West Bank and the blockade of Gaza. The Zionist regime in Israel is on the wrong side of history. 

It will end the same way that Apartheid South Africa ended.

 

[Morch]

 

@dexterm

 

Same old song and dance. Next thing you'll either try to spin or deny your own words, and failing this makes nonsense allegations about being "stalked". Anyway, lets take yet another stroll down memory lane. For example, your enlightened comments on this topic:

 

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/860415-palestinian-kills-2-israelis-wounds-toddler-in-jerusalem/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-9927663

 

Guess the bogus nitpicking argument would be that the toddler was "only" wounded or some such. The assistant is described as "the deceased" and a "freedom fighter". There's justification provided for actions and blame is laid on Israelis killed and the Israeli government's policies. As another poster put it on that topic, the toddler must have started it. Or maybe the toddler in question wasn't "innocent".

 

As for the "account" responded to - disregarding details not supporting your adopted narrative is nothing new. The implication of the location would be that children were not targeted, and that the building attacked was used by Hamas. You often complain about Israel attacking such targets, citing proximity to civilians - not much said on Hamas intentionally placing them there to begin with.

 

Not buying much into your fake emotional outbursts or moralizing. Kinda bogus considering your own posts. Trying to imply posters not sharing your views and drama aren't "human beings" is walking a thin line, but nothing which you wouldn't stoop to.

 

 

Edited July 18, 2018 by Morch

[Morch]

3 hours ago, BonnieandClyde said:

You're trying to defend the indefensible. The horrific photographs and the casualty statistics tell the story.

The whole world is against the illegal settlements in the West Bank and the blockade of Gaza. The Zionist regime in Israel is on the wrong side of history. 

It will end the same way that Apartheid South Africa ended.

 

 

The "story". That's about right. A story which got no place, apparently, for questioning the part played by Palestinians and their leaderships. Same old one-sided drivel.

 

The "whole world" is pretty much against the illegal settlements in the West Bank. Many Israelis are as well. That said, this doesn't translate into the fantasies your and the usual suspects entertain. As for the the blockade of Gaza, not nearly as universally objected to. And again, not resulting in what you dream on.

[dexterm]

6 hours ago, Morch said:

 

@dexterm

 

Same old song and dance. Next thing you'll either try to spin or deny your own words, and failing this makes nonsense allegations about being "stalked". Anyway, lets take yet another stroll down memory lane. For example, your enlightened comments on this topic:

 

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/860415-palestinian-kills-2-israelis-wounds-toddler-in-jerusalem/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-9927663

 

Guess the bogus nitpicking argument would be that the toddler was "only" wounded or some such. The assistant is described as "the deceased" and a "freedom fighter". There's justification provided for actions and blame is laid on Israelis killed and the Israeli government's policies. As another poster put it on that topic, the toddler must have started it. Or maybe the toddler in question wasn't "innocent".

 

As for the "account" responded to - disregarding details not supporting your adopted narrative is nothing new. The implication of the location would be that children were not targeted, and that the building attacked was used by Hamas. You often complain about Israel attacking such targets, citing proximity to civilians - not much said on Hamas intentionally placing them there to begin with.

 

Not buying much into your fake emotional outbursts or moralizing. Kinda bogus considering your own posts. Trying to imply posters not sharing your views and drama aren't "human beings" is walking a thin line, but nothing which you wouldn't stoop to.

 

 

Your link and strawman does not support your outrageous lie that I justified child murder.

[Morch]

 

@dexterm

 

What's "outrageous" is your blatant denial of your own words and posts.

 

On this topic you claim you "never justified", "find offensive", "no way of sanitizing".

 

On the older topic linked though there's nothing whatsoever expressing such views. Moreover, the responsibility is shifted to the ones attacked, and their political leadership. The Palestinian in question is labeled a "freedom fighter". If the above comment hangs on the fact that the toddler (the hypocrisy of objecting to using an "emotive" term in this case is dully noted) didn't die, is kinda lame.

 

Other than in your world, that pretty much amounts to justification. The denials and faux indignation are more to do with your twisted moralizing being exposed for the rubbish it is, yet again.

 

Edited July 18, 2018 by Morch

[dexterm]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

@dexterm

 

What's "outrageous" is your blatant denial of your own words and posts.

 

On this topic you claim you "never justified", "find offensive", "no way of sanitizing".

 

On the older topic linked though there's nothing whatsoever expressing such views. Moreover, the responsibility is shifted to the ones attacked, and their political leadership. The Palestinian in question is labeled a "freedom fighter". If the above comment hangs on the fact that the toddler (the hypocrisy of objecting to using an "emotive" term in this case is dully noted) didn't die, is kinda lame.

 

Other than in your world, that pretty much amounts to justification. The denials and faux indignation are more to do with your twisted moralizing being exposed for the rubbish it is, yet again.

 

"pretty much amounts to" ..says it all..the usual vague fare... snide innuendo. Unable to put up or shut up, but quite capable of false accusations to besmirch another member's name.
I invite other members to judge for themselves. 
Enough of this nonsense already.

 

Edited July 18, 2018 by dexterm

[DaddyWarbucks]

9 hours ago, dexterm said:

"pretty much amounts to" ..says it all..the usual vague fare... snide innuendo. Unable to put up or shut up, but quite capable of false accusations to besmirch another member's name.
I invite other members to judge for themselves. 
Enough of this nonsense already.

 

Nasty personal attacks put an end to civil debate.

Maybe that's the reason the tactic is so often used.

[Morch]

 

@dexterm

 

I get it. Quite annoying when your high horse moralizing is being exposed for the bs it is. Hence "outrage", faked indignation and denial of your own words and views. Kinda lame your non-explanation needs to rely on inane, made up "interpretations" of other posters words, when yours are clear.

 

You justified the attack referenced. You praised the attacker. You had issues with "emotive" terms being used. You blamed the people killed. You blamed their leadership. And, of course, the same lack of  "compassion" you berate other posters for.  Linking your own posts isn't "besmirching", but wouldn't expect someone with absurd notions regarding accountability to grasp this.

 

Unable to "put up" how? The one who "shuts up" about his own posts is you.

[Scott]

Keep it civil.

 

[metisdead]

Some off topic bickering posts have been removed as well as the replies.