Elon Musk calls British diver in Thai cave rescue a 'pedo' in baseless attack

[DLock]

Elon, your ability to stick it to Detroit, Nasa and the electric companies is one thing...

 

...but you just lost 10 years of credibility in one emotional Tweet, because your ego was dented because your mini submarine was bunk.

 

You aren't Tony Stark in real life.

 

This will haunt you forever.

[Belzybob]

2 hours ago, iroc4life said:

Nice try on the American bashing Musk is South African and transplanted to America ?

Apart from a few indians, aren't all USA residents transplants ?

[HHTel]

2 hours ago, iroc4life said:

Nice try on the American bashing Musk is South African and transplanted to America ?

Via Canada on the way!

[pattaya1234was]

1 hour ago, canopy said:

Wrong. Elon consulted the cave experts from the very beginning on the design. In fact Stanton who found the kids appears to have played the leading role in encouraging Elon to develop the sub and gave him crucial specifications on exactly what would be required for this rescue. Elon also sent engineers to thailand to help understand the factors that could only be understood by being there. When Elon runs his sub to cave 5 as he has now promised to do a lot Elon bashers like you are going to be eating more and more crow.

 

As another poster hints-they would have removed one boy per day-hence the act of removal would have taken 13 days-and that's if the contraption had worked.

[mikeymike100]

The article posted here is not telling the whole story as so often happens. Apparently after Elon Musk had offered his services regarding the submarine, Vern Unsworth, the British diver said to CNN that Musk, “can stick his submarine where it hurts.” This totally uncalled for and ridiculous response is what started the war of words. What Vern should have said is something like thanks for the offer but its not practical in this case.

[aloha23]

10 minutes ago, DLock said:

Elon, you just lost 10 years of credibility in one emotional Tweet, because your ego was dented because your mini submarine was bunk. This will haunt you forever.

i don't think so. worst case scenario is he comes up with PEDO proof. that guy is capable of a lot of GOOD and BAD things ?

[ChouDoufu]

3 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

On a serious note, Vern will not win this spat. The unfortunate truth, that many of us farang delude ourselves into rebutting, is that people (especially foreigners) affiliated with Thailand are given a poor reputation globally. Everyone is suspicious of farangs who end up here. And, without judging Vern, his interview (assuming it's not editorialized) lacked tact and potentially sheds some light on his character and education level. Who would tell Elon Musk to "shove it up his #$$"?

 

Many of us won't accept that Thailand is not well-regarded by outsiders (for mostly good reasons). I avoid telling anyone that I have been based here as not doing so would open me up to unnecessary attacks.

true.  been reading about this on other forums.

half consider musk a fraud and conman and agree wth vern's response.

the other half agree with the pedo name-calling, questioning (and answering in the same comment) why any single male would be in thailand, that vern looks like a pedo, and that 'everyone' knows why british men have to leave their home country.

[thaiguzzi]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

and adding: “Sorry pedo guy, you really did ask for it.”

Mmmm. Not gonna win Tesla too many brownie points that one.

[carmine]

1 minute ago, mikeymike100 said:

The article posted here is not telling the whole story as so often happens. Apparently after Elon Musk had offered his services regarding the submarine, Vern Unsworth, the British diver said to CNN that Musk, “can stick his submarine where it hurts.” This totally uncalled for and ridiculous response is what started the war of words. What Vern should have said is something like thanks for the offer but its not practical in this case.

He was annoyed at what he perceived to be a blatant PR stunt.

 

To be honest, Musk might well be a very clever guy but he nevertheless comes across as an absolute d*ck

[electric]

Vern v Elon ?  It's mildly amusing in so many posts, depending on the posters thoughts about either character.

 

Good guy gets called Vern or Elon. Bad guy gets called Unsworth or Musk.

 

 

 

 

[Belzybob]

2 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

The article posted here is not telling the whole story as so often happens. Apparently after Elon Musk had offered his services regarding the submarine, Vern Unsworth, the British diver said to CNN that Musk, “can stick his submarine where it hurts.” This totally uncalled for and ridiculous response is what started the war of words. What Vern should have said is something like thanks for the offer but its not practical in this case.

Bear in mind that Musk had already criticized the governor because his dildo had been rebuffed, and whilst the comment from Vern may have been less than diplomatic, who knows what else had been going on with Musk in the interim?

[jspill]

1 hour ago, harrycallahan said:

What would the hero divers have done if one of the kids was incapacitated? Elon's plan was viable and his presence was potentially life saving. The divers (some) were unnecessarily antagonistic from early on in the piece, so now it's come to this. 

No it wasn't viable, we have both this British caving expert who knows the layout of the cave well and briefed the two Brit divers who found the kids first, and the Thai governor overseeing the whole operation, saying his submarine wouldn't work. So the antagonism is totally justified, and his presence potentially life threatening, Musk diverted resources and attention to him, and entered the cave (quickly being told to leave).

 

They did give the kids sedatives, they were basically incapacitated anyway, they couldn't swim. Two divers to one boy, oxygen shoved down their throat, and drag them out. 

Edited July 16, 2018 by jspill

[ChouDoufu]

6 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

The article posted here is not telling the whole story as so often happens. Apparently after Elon Musk had offered his services regarding the submarine, Vern Unsworth, the British diver said to CNN that Musk, “can stick his submarine where it hurts.” This totally uncalled for and ridiculous response is what started the war of words. What Vern should have said is something like thanks for the offer but its not practical in this case.

wasn't it elon who twatted first about how the rescue chief was incompetent? 

 

how will this effect elon's plans to invest in thailand?  now that he has publicly defamed a national hero?  if he returns to the kingdom, can he be charged with defamation?

[Jonmarleesco]

I've always thought Elon Musk an a_sehole, but not a complete one ... until now.  

Edited July 16, 2018 by Jonmarleesco

[NanLaew]

8 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

What Vern should have said is something like thanks for the offer but its not practical in this case.

In this instance though, Musk is what we call in the oil patch a sh!t hawk. When a supervisor bereft of relevant field knowledge comes in to 'supervise' or 'assist' with a difficult start up or project, they fly in, sh!t all over everything and fly out.

 

Some graduate to being walking eagles... so full of sh!t, they can no longer fly.

 

Well called Vern Unsworth.

Edited July 16, 2018 by NanLaew

[jspill]

1 hour ago, Fex Bluse said:

Exactly, it's obvious from most comments that many people have never manged a large, international, rapid pace issue like this. In such a crisis, multiple options are procured and developed concurrently so as not to be caught out. It's called risk management. 

At a rapid pace the British and Thai experts on the scene established that Musk's option wasn't viable, and to manage risk Musk was quickly removed from the scene. 

[KiwiKiwi]

1 hour ago, malibukid said:

paypal is as cooked as it comes, no wonder this guy is behind it.  

They specialise in hiring dimwitted staff. I understand they're thinking of creating a discussion forum. Bound to be a roaring success and lose lots of money.

[CanuckThai]

I saw the interview on television of the diver, dumping/attacking on the "submarine" offer/donation/proposal .  It was nasty.  I was surprised how ignorant and abrasive the diver was and how anti Musk for attempting to contribute to a solution.

 

I was laughing, wondering if it was a crusty old Thai Visa member commenting live on television...

Edited July 16, 2018 by CanuckThai

[KiwiKiwi]

2 minutes ago, jspill said:

At a rapid pace the British and Thai experts on the scene established that Musk's option wasn't viable, and to manage risk Musk was quickly removed from the scene. 

 

Í love the guy. He gets my vote for first seat on one of his inter-planetary rockets.

 

[cardinalblue]

Why say " the sub won't work, and he should shove it where it hurts"....

 

Trump can get away with it but nameless faceless people are in a position of weakness...

 

very unwise of him to sprout repressed anger....

 

a diplomatic answer would have been " great idea but it was inappropriate for this particular scenario...." Leave it at that...

 

He injected his PR opinion against a giant...bar stool talk is one thing...saying things to the media is another....

 

Musk now will hire a team of private investigators and dig every bit of dirt on him and then sell the story to The Sun.....

 

i love Kevin Spacey as an actor and human nature is then to treat him as impeccable in other facets of one's life....social media has put an end to the myth...

 

vern's whole private life is about to be exposed....

 

 

Edited July 16, 2018 by cardinalblue

[NanLaew]

1 minute ago, Jonmarleesco said:

I've always thought Elon Musk an a_sehole, but not a complete one ... until now.  

No no, he is the perfect a_sehole.

 

He has no hemorrhoids.

[Cybervlad]

If this smart-ass Musk so confident about his shitty "submarine", why he didn't prove it's safety by putting his own child inside for 4-5 hours and immerse into  the water (8-10 feet depth)? Or he thinks that Thai children is something like laboratory rabbits for testing his toys?
This so called "genius engineer" doesn't even understand basic diving physiology and safety measures.

The most obvious example: if something wrong happens with regulator (for non-divers: regulator is a 2 stage and quite complicate device allowing people breathe underwater from the tank with compressed air), it is possible to switch to spare one. But if air-supply equipment of this student-made "submarine" fails, what they will do? Listen freaking on-board mp3-player?
Disgusting guy...
Hope Vern Unsworth didn't take him seriously.

Edited July 16, 2018 by Cybervlad
typos

[jspill]

1 hour ago, Xonax said:

It was Vern Unsworth who unfairly first attacked Elon Musk, for not caring about the children, but only trying to promote his business.  But I would have expected Musk to be smarter, than to fight back by calling Vern Unsworth a Pedo.

Prior to that Musk attacked the Thai governor overseeing the rescue as not being a subject matter expert, from that, a cursory reading into Musk's controversial background, and meeting Musk at the cave, his opinion on Musk may well have been fair. Could possibly save Musk from taking an unviable submarine to a future cave rescue and endangering lives. A submarine in a cave is ridiculous, as Unsworth explained. 

[Howiehotspur]

If I was the diver , I’d be over the moon 

big bucks to be made on a defamation case here ??????

[Jonmarleesco]

It WAS a PR stunt, and one too late to be of any practical use. Always assuming this mini-sub could have negotiated the tunnel in the first place, something of which Musk had no idea. 

 

[NanLaew]

2 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

Í love the guy. He gets my vote for first seat on one of his inter-planetary rockets.

 

one-way?

[RT555]

4 hours ago, RotMahKid said:

What a looser, one more reason for me Not to buy any of his products and of course share his tweet and the post in the Guardian.

You couldn't afford anything anyways. 

[chrisinth]

1 hour ago, canopy said:

Wrong. Elon consulted the cave experts from the very beginning on the design. In fact Stanton who found the kids appears to have played the leading role in encouraging Elon to develop the sub and gave him crucial specifications on exactly what would be required for this rescue. Elon also sent engineers to thailand to help understand the factors that could only be understood by being there. When Elon runs his sub to cave 5 as he has now promised to do a lot Elon bashers like you are going to be eating more and more crow.

 

It still doesn't take away the fact that it was an operationally unproven prototype which had I would imagine have less than 10 hours running in a swimming pool.

 

That very fact alone would, and likely did, raise an enormous cause for concern. I still can't take away from Musk that he had this built and deployed in the timeframe he did. But having to resort to childish tweeting when it wasn't used? Not so much a fan.

 

What I would like to know, which I haven't seen documented apart from his cave tour, is what happened during his visit. Who did he talk to, who did he upset? Did he and Vern have words? IMO, something must have happened for this war of words to start.

 

[billmichael]

OM<deleted>G...!!!  OM<deleted>G...!!!

Oh, what horrid egos some people have.  I am not even there and I knew the "sub" probably would NOT work because of the twists and turns of a cramped cave system.  

I am so happy these intrepid young cavers survived and are now far removed from this horrid and disgusting display of vanity by a grown adult..

WTH...???  What is wrong with people...???  Can we not focus on thirteen lives spared from a miserable and dark end.  Is it not bad enough we had to lose a brave Thai Navy Seal...???  This saddens me when the focus on what really matters is lost in place of foolishness.

[twizzian]

4 hours ago, Sonhia said:

Outrageous!!!

 

Because he did not make a quick buck out of the plight of others, he acts like a turd, which he obviously is, by defaming others.

 

 

 

I was thinking his sub looked more like a Turd