Teacher hit my child

[1FinickyOne]

If a kid did not do their homework in my kids school, they might get a light ruler on the hand - my kid said it did not hurt... also a catholic school... ??? - - but if you are seeing frightened kids, and hitting a 3 yr old... that is wrong. Hitting is not teaching... I would not want my kid there.

Edited July 24, 2018 by kenk24

[richard_smith237]

3 hours ago, disambiguated said:

It's irresponsible parents like this who're responsible for the decline in discipline, standards, and general civility, worldwide.

 

If my teacher's didn't hit me when I deserved it, my parents would've complained.  Thus, I learned manners at an early age.

 

No... you learned that violence is a solution at an early age. 

 

Good teachers do not and have never needed to use violence as a form of discipline.

 

That said, I am in support of teachers disciplining children. My Son is 4 years old and the teacher tells us if he's been in trouble and what they do about it. Once at home we re-enforce this with discussion. 

 

For whatever reason physical violence from a Teacher towards a child (even a light smack) is not acceptable. For a parent a smack 'could' be something kept in the 'back pocket' for extreme measures only (I am somewhat hypocritical in my opinions in this regard).

 

If my son was smacked at school, I'd be speaking with the head teacher / director and teacher and expect a guarantee that this would never happen again. 

 

Discipline of a child is the responsibility of both the parents and the teacher, its a grey area, but there are definitive lines which should not be crossed. 

 

Edited July 24, 2018 by richard_smith237

[Jonmarleesco]

A farang from the nanny state? Which nanny state? I was smacked at school if it was called for. Can't say it did me any harm.

 

If, at that age, it's a pat on the backside, no harm done. If more than a light smack, then it might need words. 

[Jonmarleesco]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

No... you learned that violence is a solution at an early age. 

 

Good teachers do not and have never needed to use violence as a form of discipline.

 

That said, I am in support of teachers disciplining children. My Son is 4 years old and the teacher tells us if he's been in trouble and what they do about it. Once at home we re-enforce this with discussion. 

 

For whatever reason physical violence from a Teacher towards a child (even a light smack) is not acceptable. For a parent a smack 'could' be something kept in the 'back pocket' for extreme measures only (I am somewhat hypocritical in my opinions in this regard).

 

If my son was smacked at school, I'd be speaking with the head teacher / director and teacher and expect a guarantee that this would never happen again. 

 

Discipline of a child is the responsibility of both the parents and the teacher, its a grey area, but there are definitive lines which should not be crossed. 

 

A light smack is NOT violence, in any shape or form. That said, I've rarely smacked my kids - the youngest, probably never - but that doesn't mean I don't see a place for it if need be.

[thesetat2013]

Sounds like a Catholic school I worked for in Chumphon.  Be warned that this is common practice  and will get worse as your child advances. I have seen things to make my skin crawl from both teachers and nuns.  Nuns were the worst. Once saw the Nun force 2 boys to punch walls 100 times while all the school watched at assembly. And that was only for play fighting. Seen worse but probably would not be believed here in TVF.  

[seabass69]

Why would you even think twice about not taking her out of that school?

[Aupee]

17 hours ago, Bob12345 said:

OKay, to me this does not sound like she was "hit" by the teacher.

The teacher tried to get her attention, did not do it the proper way, but also not smacked your kid around.

In general I would not really have a problem with this, as long as it doesn't happen on a daily.

It becomes a problem when the teacher tries to hurt the kid, and uses violence as a punishment.

 

But what you describe of the school in general would have me worried:

1. religious school is a nono for me, children should be kept away from religion until the age of 18 when they can decide for themselves if they want to be religious or not. Religion is not something for kids.

2. children waiting in strict lines to be picked up: for me this shows the kids are not allowed to be kids. Let them play, get dirty, mess around, they can be marching in strict lines the rest of their lives if they chose to (join the army)

3. a child looking scared of the teacher: children should enjoy school, they should have joy learning and being around friends. If they hate school, there is little chance of them succeeding in school and furthering their education. 

 

I would get my kid out of there immediately, not because of the tap on the shoulder, but because of the three points mentioned.

 

I have to agree with the religious indoctrination aspect of this post in the words of Karl Marks " religion is the opiate of the masses" why would you willingly turn your child into an addict

[mike324]

hide a recording device to hear what goes on around the classroom in your childs bag, that would give you a good indication of how the teachers talk to the kids and discipline kids when they are not listening.

[Happy Grumpy]

On 7/23/2018 at 6:30 PM, bbabythai said:

It was a small hit on her shoulder.

?

[Bangkok Barry]

The teacher did NOT hit your child. She tapped her on the shoulder to get her attention. It worked. End of. The child was probably startled by being disciplined by someone who was not her parents and so told you about it. No harm was done. It seems to me that the teacher acted in exactly the right way.

[oldrunner]

I was reared in Catholic schools from grade 1 through 12. Never more than an "ear pull", usually well deserved, and Bless the Sisters for their patience and fortitude. Their souls would flip if they knew I went on to a Master's degree, much later.

[geriatrickid]

On 7/24/2018 at 3:49 PM, Catoni said:

If they used the strap like we used to in Canadian schools years ago, yes I would let them hit my kid if my kid did something to deserve it.  Our schools used to use rubberized fabric belting, about 16 inches long and about 2 - 3 inches wide. About four to eight fast hits on each hand .... your hands felt like they were on fire afterwards. Very painful. And if you did something really bad, they had you wash your hands in very warm water first. Softens the skin. A teacher or principle or v.p. good with the strap hit your hands in such a way that the end of the strap flipped around and got the back of your hand also.

   If they had to strap you, there was always an extra witness to the punishment, an official form filled out, and your parents notified that corporal punishment had been inflicted on the kid. Female staff would inflict the punishment on girls if need be.

   Never had to be used very often. We tended to be very well behaved in school. And for good reason. We referred to our teachers, principles and vice principles as “sir” or “mam”.   I only got the strap twice all through my years in elementary school. The way many kids behave in schools in Canada these days with no real consequences...makes some of us wish for a return of corporal punishment... the strap or something similar.

   The good ‘ole days. 

A seriously deranged post because it advocates physical abuse.

Hitting children is wrong. If a teacher is incapable of maintaining control of a classroom, the teacher is incompetent. Respect is earned, and far too many teachers  do not earn it. I too went to a school where there was physical punishment. I saw the damage  inflicted.

 

Your post is deranged because it ignores the fact that violence is for the most part a learned behaviour. When we  smack around kids and terrorize them as is the case with these punishments they  share that abuse with others.

 

Now, I am going to make this personal.  What you advocate is wrong. It is morally reprehensible. If  teachers must  resort to physical assault, they are incompetent and should go work at a slaughterhouse instead. I doubt that you are a particularly educated man, nor have you been successful in life. If you were educated you would have realized long ago that violence is never associated with respect, with leadership nor order.  You are not successful, because successful people have inherent leadership skills and are trustworthy. Any man who does not understand that violence against children is wrong has a creepy aura that others pick up on.

 

Your longing for the good old days is seriously screwed  up. Those  corporal punishment events were also associated with the teachers who sexually abused children. 

[geriatrickid]

21 hours ago, Jonmarleesco said:

A farang from the nanny state? Which nanny state? I was smacked at school if it was called for. Can't say it did me any harm.

 

If, at that age, it's a pat on the backside, no harm done. If more than a light smack, then it might need words. 

How many failed relationships have you had since then?

Do you have any children, and if so, do they want anything to do with you?

How successful in life have you been? 

Yours is the mentality that produces broken homes and dysfunctional kids.

[Catoni]

On 7/24/2018 at 6:09 AM, disambiguated said:

It's irresponsible parents like this who're responsible for the decline in discipline, standards, and general civility, worldwide.

 

If my teacher's didn't hit me when I deserved it, my parents would've complained.  Thus, I learned manners at an early age.

The couple of times I got the strap in elementary school, (yes, I deserved it), they would call my parents and tell them they had to inflict corporal punishment on me (the strap) and why. It was school policy. 

     Far from getting pissed at the school for using physical punishment on me, when I got home I got the belt also from my dad. 

    My brothers and I grew up to be well behaved, law-abiding citizens. 

Edited July 26, 2018 by Catoni
Correction

[Catoni]

13 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

How many failed relationships have you had since then?

Do you have any children, and if so, do they want anything to do with you?

How successful in life have you been? 

Yours is the mentality that produces broken homes and dysfunctional kids.

I received corporal punishment, (the strap) twice in elementary school and then got the belt from my dad when I got home. ( the school had called my parents and told them what I did and that they strapped me). 

  I’ve never been in trouble with the law. 

   Married: 32 years

   Children: three grown to adult age now. Never in trouble with the law. Successful. Very close. We love each other. 

    I’m now retired with an excellent pension and never have to work again if I wish. 

    I never used the strap or belt on my kids as they grew up, but I did use my open hand to spank their bum or hands hard if they needed it. Or had them take a small amount of hot sauce. I always made sure they fully understood why they were being punished. 

    They are all good, fine, tax paying working adults today. 

    Thank you very much. (Today they all love hot spicy food. Funny)

[Catoni]

On 7/24/2018 at 9:29 AM, richard_smith237 said:

 

No... you learned that violence is a solution at an early age. 

 

Good teachers do not and have never needed to use violence as a form of discipline.

 

That said, I am in support of teachers disciplining children. My Son is 4 years old and the teacher tells us if he's been in trouble and what they do about it. Once at home we re-enforce this with discussion. 

 

For whatever reason physical violence from a Teacher towards a child (even a light smack) is not acceptable. For a parent a smack 'could' be something kept in the 'back pocket' for extreme measures only (I am somewhat hypocritical in my opinions in this regard).

 

If my son was smacked at school, I'd be speaking with the head teacher / director and teacher and expect a guarantee that this would never happen again. 

 

Discipline of a child is the responsibility of both the parents and the teacher, its a grey area, but there are definitive lines which should not be crossed. 

 

In our schools, we had the Provincial Regulation School Strap for inflicting corporal punishment.  When used, your hands felt like they were burning with fire. The strap did not have to be used very often for that very reason. 

      The couple of times I got the strap at school, they called my parents and then I would also get the belt from my dad when I got home. This was the same for my brothers and my friends also. 

   NONE of us grew up to be bad. We all turned out to be good law abiding citizens with good jobs and long lasting close families. 

Edited July 26, 2018 by Catoni
Correction

[Catoni]

13 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

A seriously deranged post because it advocates physical abuse.

Hitting children is wrong. If a teacher is incapable of maintaining control of a classroom, the teacher is incompetent. Respect is earned, and far too many teachers  do not earn it. I too went to a school where there was physical punishment. I saw the damage  inflicted.

 

Your post is deranged because it ignores the fact that violence is for the most part a learned behaviour. When we  smack around kids and terrorize them as is the case with these punishments they  share that abuse with others.

 

Now, I am going to make this personal.  What you advocate is wrong. It is morally reprehensible. If  teachers must  resort to physical assault, they are incompetent and should go work at a slaughterhouse instead. I doubt that you are a particularly educated man, nor have you been successful in life. If you were educated you would have realized long ago that violence is never associated with respect, with leadership nor order.  You are not successful, because successful people have inherent leadership skills and are trustworthy. Any man who does not understand that violence against children is wrong has a creepy aura that others pick up on.

 

Your longing for the good old days is seriously screwed  up. Those  corporal punishment events were also associated with the teachers who sexually abused children. 

It’s YOUR post that is deranged. Not mine. In many schools today, kids freely show disrespect to teachers and laugh at the toothless consequences. Now, in my area since they removed the strap from schools, bad kids just get shuffled from school to school, and we’ve had female teachers go home in tears and even quit from having to put up with mis-behaving disrespectful kids. 

    Actually, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve been successful, including a marriage for almost 35 years now, three grown adult children, all law abiding and working. 

    And now I’m retired with a good pension and never have to work again if I decide not to. 

    I strongly suspect you are a bleeding heart leftist/socialist. 

[androokery]

3 hours ago, Catoni said:

It’s YOUR post that is deranged. Not mine. In many schools today, kids freely show disrespect to teachers and laugh at the toothless consequences. Now, in my area since they removed the strap from schools, bad kids just get shuffled from school to school, and we’ve had female teachers go home in tears and even quit from having to put up with mis-behaving disrespectful kids. 

    Actually, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve been successful, including a marriage for almost 35 years now, three grown adult children, all law abiding and working. 

    And now I’m retired with a good pension and never have to work again if I decide not to. 

    I strongly suspect you are a bleeding heart leftist/socialist. 

Hmm - the sentence "I strongly suspect you are a bleeding heart leftist/socialist" makes me think you need to revisit your past and find out where and when exactly you suffered the emotional damage that made you think compassion is a bad thing. 

[Catoni]

1 hour ago, androokery said:

Hmm - the sentence "I strongly suspect you are a bleeding heart leftist/socialist" makes me think you need to revisit your past and find out where and when exactly you suffered the emotional damage that made you think compassion is a bad thing. 

Compassion is fine. But tossing discipline out the window for children and teens is a disaster in the making. Or is your answer to simply play the mental disorder card and claim the kids have ADHD and keep them all drugged on Ritalin?? 

Edited July 26, 2018 by Catoni
Addition

[Hanaguma]

I remember the strap from the "good old days" in Ontario too. The principal at my school would leave the school PA system on when he was strapping a kid, just so everyone else could hear it.  

 

Even worse, my FATHER was an elementary principal. He had one strap at school for his students and another at home for me and my siblings. Oh, joy.  Never actually used it on us though, the unspoken threat was enough.

[greenchair]

It depends on how much money you have. 

If it's a good school for poor parents. 

Do nothing. 

If it's a good school for rich parents. 

Change schools. 

My son went to a wonderful thai school that was better than any international school that I could see. 

30000 baht a term. 

3 terms. 

All project based learning and play all day in kindergarten. 

Wangsawangjit in rama 2. 

[FritsSikkink]

On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 1:44 PM, Chassa said:

Nuns have always been notorious for discipline.

Notorious for being vicious human beings. 

[Cake Monster]

6 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Notorious for being vicious human beings. 

Closely followed by Teachers in Thais Schools

[manchega]

walk into the classroom with a sugar cane knife.  

 

behead the teacher before disembowelment.

 

pay the 200 baht fine and wai to family so they do not press civil charges.

 

job done

[rickudon]

I have heard plenty of horror stories from Thai state schools, of physical and mental abuse. You only have to see the stories every week in the news. The only ones that are more careful with your kids are those charging a fortune, because your money is important .....

 

Our 2 year old daughter was smothered by an assistant on her first day at a private nursery school, 'to make her sleep and stop disturbing the others'. Fortunately we had gone early to pick her up (being her first day) and my wife saw this through a window. Our daughter was clearly traumatised by this and didn't speak the rest of the day. We got a return of all fees and a verbal apology (which was a partial denial that she was being smothered), Obviously we wouldn't get anywhere taking it further, but we have done our best to warn other parents not to use that Nursery school.

 

Our daughter then went to a free government nursery school a few weeks later where she was placed in the same class as a neighbours child, she settled down quite quickly and we had no complaints about it. She now goes to a Catholic girls school, but it follows a government syllabus (in part at least), it may be a little bit strict but we have never heard a bad word about it (no forced religious education, most students are Buddhist) . It also has a good academic reputation - and, unlike it's co-educational equivalent (run by Franciscan friars) has never had any allegations of bribes being required to get in .... in both schools most teachers are not nuns or monks.