German man arrested for NINETEEN year overstay

[The Deerhunter]

3 minutes ago, JAG said:

Rather proved what I have suspected all along, no -one actually looks at the reams of copies of passports, immigration forms, and various other varieties of paperwork which we provide for the slightest reason.

Yesterday I wanted to change some B1000 notes for smaller notes to pay the "Tribes of Issan" who have been helping best beloved on the farm.

I went into a bank where I have had an account for 5 years, and had my driving licence copied, and gave them telephone numbers and email address, all solemnly written out , signed dated and countersigned...

Slightly O.T. but I never see anyone even glace at my signature when I pay with a card.  A PIN  code would obviate that so it invites fraud use of stolen cards but no one seems to accept PIN''s here.  And every bank seems to need it's own EFTPOS machine.  Some Homepro branches have a row of 8 or 9 EFTPOS machines.

[Cereal]

1 hour ago, Jeremy50 said:

Nineteen years of laughing at us 'gullible fools' who play by the rules doing visa runs, and renewing our passports every 3 years. Time's up Karl, enjoy your incarceration and trip back to the Fatherland. 

I am with this sentiment 100%. In fact I'd go further:

 

Jail time per length of overstay:

 

- 1 month for each year

- 1 week for each month

- 1 day for each week

 

Therefore Eugen would be looking at 20 months in the crowbar hotel courtesy of the Thai government.

 

That crap has got to stop because it has already affected me and many others like me. My "jump through all the proper hoops and legalities obtained" business visa in Laos used to allow me unlimited access into the LOS. My wife and I used to go at least monthly, do some shopping and visit her family.

 

Thai immigration changed the laws a couple of years ago limiting me to 2 land crossings a year unless I buy a 6 month multi-entry visa from the Thai Embassy in Vientiane for 5000 baht. I have bought said visa but the only reason I had to do so was because of scofflaws like Eugen et al.  Their illegal, greedy, selfish, careless and thoughtless actions cost me money.

 

No sympathy here in the slightest. Barring the extraordinary, there is no plausible reason whatsoever to have an overstay. Throw them away and then deport them for life.

[taipan1949]

17 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Usually taken to IDC and wait a couple of days before going to court and being fined, that might only be 2000 baht. The 20,000 baht may or may not still have to be paid then back to IDC until the air ticket to home country is bought by friends or the overstayer. From IDC it's straight to the airport with ticket, held until flight time, passport given to aircrew, escorted to plane and home.

So time in IDC depends on how long it takes to buy the ticket home.

Thanks

[ELVIS123456]

Good guys in, bad guys out ?

The Junta is getting this one right - great to see - hope they catch more of the a********s.

 

But I wish they would make it easier for the good guys to stay once they do come in.

3 montly reporting, annual extensions, 2nd rate services (banking/charges etc.), 3rd rate rights (nil in some cases).

 

Seems they only really want cashed up tourists - but most of what they are getting is pre-paid chinese, cheap backpackers, and sexpats.

The Junta clearly believes all the TAT self-congratulatory rubbish that they publish - they sacked the incompetent Boss (but she was there far too long).

The military are the same everywhere in the world  - good at running things they understand (Police/Services etc.) - but terrible at running things they dont, especially Business/Mandarins.

 

 

[rkidlad]

Legend!

 

I know a few foreigners here who will be doing their nut over this - "He's making us look bad!!!" I'll enjoy watching them seethe over something they have 'zero' control over. 

 

 

[anon537687643]

Round them up. Bang wa prison until they can get fare back origin .. if ever


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[overherebc]

3 minutes ago, taipan1949 said:

Thanks

The difficult part will be getting the ticket organised as in IDC you will have to rely on someone outside making all the arrangements for you. No phones allowed etc.

Don't know how helpful embassies would be etc.

[bluesofa]

6 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

Slightly O.T. but I never see anyone even glace at my signature when I pay with a card.  A PIN  code would obviate that so it invites fraud use of stolen cards but no one seems to accept PIN''s here.  And every bank seems to need it's own EFTPOS machine.  Some Homepro branches have a row of 8 or 9 EFTPOS machines.

I have posted elsewhere about the same thing:

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1029990-alleged-“smart”-cards/?tab=comments#comment-12816144

 

[Gobbledegook]

5 minutes ago, overherebc said:

The difficult part will be getting the ticket organised as in IDC you will have to rely on someone outside making all the arrangements for you. No phones allowed etc.

Don't know how helpful embassies would be etc.

Don't know about the others but the Australian embassy would be no help at all.

[Old Croc]

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

Here's an idea, declare a blanket amnesty to all overstayers, get to know who they're, fine then accordingly and renew their visa if they are good people and not a  wanted criminals of fujities of some sort, that way Thailand will show that they're reasonable and forgiving and by doing that they may have the chance to clear the books and start fresh...

Why would "wanted criminals of fujities of some sort" apply for an amnesty?

 

Australia had 3 amnesties many years ago. It didn't solve, only exacerbated, the problem with overstayers. People were overstaying while waiting for the next one. 

 

A study here:

(This study indicates that the three amnesties granted by Australia did not remove the presence of illegal aliens nor end the movement of persons into Australia who would become illegal residents. Instead, amnesty encouraged the growth of an illegal alien population. Some persons who were unable to get an immigrant visa decided to come to Australia and remain as an illegal alien living anonymously within an ethnic community. Illegal aliens expected that pressures from the ir ethnic communities would compel the government to grant another amnesty. Amnesty appears only to be a temporary expedient used by the government to appear humane and to relieve pressures from nonethnic Australians who want to end the presence of illegals and from ethnic communities who want their coethnics legalized. Amnesty turns out not to be a long‐term solution to the existence of an illegal alien problem. )

[lust]

Give him Thai citizenship.

[ELVIS123456]

1 minute ago, overherebc said:

The difficult part will be getting the ticket organised as in IDC you will have to rely on someone outside making all the arrangements for you. No phones allowed etc.

Don't know how helpful embassies would be etc.

I have these guys on my speed dial whenever I am in Thailand - mainly for things like a car accident or running over the village pig etc - but a good thing to have for anything.

So many stories of blokes getting into legal trouble when by themselves (myself when golfing or when wife shopping/visiting).

http://www.thailandbail.com/

Not sure if they could help in this situation, but it clearly shows that one should be prepared for such an event - in Thailand an Expat/Visitor has no rights/support.

* I am not related/affiliated in any way with them (never called them - fingers crossed). The Aust Embassy gave me a list years ago of 'english speaking' legal reps in Thailand (not endorsed any of them).

 

But I can say for sure that the Embassy of any country will be as useful as:

• a chocolate teapot, 
• an elephant in a mine field,
• a flyscreen door on a submarine,
• a pork roast at a bar mitzvah,
• a prostitute at a funeral,
• a waterproof towel,
• a condom machine in a nunnery,
• an accordion player on a rabbit hunt,
• t**s on a fish,
• s***t on a blanket,
• a one legged man in an butt kicking competition,
• a reggae band at a KKK rally,
• an ashtray on a motorcycle,
• a French border defence against an advancing German Army,
• forward gears in an Italian tank,
• a handbrake in a canoe,
• an inflatable dartboard,
• a glass hammer,
• a woman and a map,
• an air-conditioner on the moon,
• a heater in a Thai car (Doi Inthanon aside),

 

Cant think of any others - but you get the idea ?

 

[Myran]

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

Here's an idea, declare a blanket amnesty to all overstayers, get to know who they're, fine then accordingly and renew their visa if they are good people and not a  wanted criminals of fujities of some sort, that way Thailand will show that they're reasonable and forgiving and by doing that they may have the chance to clear the books and start fresh...

But that's pretty much what they did a while back. They told everyone "Come clear your overstay before this date and we won't blacklist you". People were free to come pay their fine, exit the country and then come back in a legal manner. They've had plenty of chances to sort out their situation and Thailand has been more than reasonable and forgiving.

[Time Traveller]

2 hours ago, Darcula said:

How is that even possible without the help of locals and BIB? When even to buy a pack of gum you need to provide 3 signed copies of your passport including the page with latest entry stamp.

I doubt those people care about your visa....they don't work for immigration.

 

[overherebc]

2 minutes ago, Time Traveller said:

I doubt those people care about your visa....they don't work for immigration.

 

Police and Imm' work under the same banner in Thailand.

[geriatrickid]

I note the double standard that the  foreign people are using here.

This is not an overstay, but an illegal immigrant, an undocumented immigrant. When someone does something like this in Germany, he/she is called an illegal immigrant, not an overstay.

 

Let's be consistent shall we. The man is a criminal because he has violated the  immigration law.  Usually a person who  undertakes this type of illegal activity also engages in other illegal acts. It will be interesting to see how he supported himself.

[cornishcarlos]

8 minutes ago, Time Traveller said:

I doubt those people care about your visa....they don't work for immigration.

 

Oh they care, they can sniff out the chance of making a few bucks....

 

I think the guy did well.. Probably worked out the risks and decided it was the best option.

Nothing to return to home country for, might as well stay right here. Reckon where I'm living, I could get away with it. Head down, don't cause a fuss and don't show off.

Be the grey man ?

[jenny2017]

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

Here's an idea, declare a blanket amnesty to all overstayers, get to know who they're, fine then accordingly and renew their visa if they are good people and not a  wanted criminals of fujities of some sort, that way Thailand will show that they're reasonable and forgiving and by doing that they may have the chance to clear the books and start fresh...

That's not what they want. Come here, spend all the money, and go back. No Jindee Dhonn Lhab for us. 

 

[cornishcarlos]

3 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

I note the double standard that the  foreign people are using here.

This is not an overstay, but an illegal immigrant, an undocumented immigrant. When someone does something like this in Germany, he/she is called an illegal immigrant, not an overstay.

 

Let's be consistent shall we. The man is a criminal because he has violated the  immigration law.  Usually a person who  undertakes this type of illegal activity also engages in other illegal acts. It will be interesting to see how he supported himself.

 

Rules are meant to be broken, stop being a self righteous ****

[hobobo]

1 hour ago, lamyai3 said:

I play by the rules, but I still think someone who racks up a twenty year overstay should get some sort of lifetime achievement award. 

How about a twenty year FREE visa, provided you stay at the Bangkok Hilton?

[Ombra]

The crackdown is not even averaging one arrest per raid. They should be keeping this information away from the media not celebrating it.

[giddyup]

2 hours ago, Jeremy50 said:

Nineteen years of laughing at us 'gullible fools' who play by the rules doing visa runs, and renewing our passports every 3 years. Time's up Karl, enjoy your incarceration and trip back to the Fatherland. 

Who needs to renew a passport every 3 years?

[AsiaHand]

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

Here's an idea, declare a blanket amnesty to all overstayers, get to know who they're, fine then accordingly and renew their visa if they are good people and not a  wanted criminals of fujities of some sort, that way Thailand will show that they're reasonable and forgiving and by doing that they may have the chance to clear the books and start fresh...

If you remember there was an amnesty that  went on for about one year before July 2014. Many ignored it so now they are paying the price.

[Mickmouse1]

Give him a Medal if not PR?

[Taco]

shit you know that guy is going to be back.

[AsiaHand]

2 hours ago, Darcula said:

How is that even possible without the help of locals and BIB? When even to buy a pack of gum you need to provide 3 signed copies of your passport including the page with latest entry stamp.

Dracula,You are joking right ?

[Just Weird]

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

Here's an idea, declare a blanket amnesty to all overstayers, get to know who they're, fine then accordingly and renew their visa if they are good people and not a  wanted criminals of fujities of some sort, that way Thailand will show that they're reasonable and forgiving and by doing that they may have the chance to clear the books and start fresh...

"Here's an idea, declare a blanket amnesty to all overstayers, get to know who they're, fine then accordingly and renew their visa if they are good people and not a  wanted criminals..."

It sure is an idea, one of the worst ideas and there's a bit of a contradiction there.  By definition overstayers are not "good people" and they are all "wanted criminals". 

 

Why should Thailand give you, sorry, them, the opportunity to start afresh while everyone else has to play by the rules?

[fxe1200]

1 hour ago, mikebell said:

Isn't it 500 baht a day 'fine'?  Or is there a maximum negotiable?

...maximum is 20.000THB

[Just Weird]

1 hour ago, taipan1949 said:

I am curious about how long exactly are these people held before they are actually put on a plane and deported??

They're detained until they've paid their fines and bought a ticket home.

[thaibreaker]

1 hour ago, taipan1949 said:

Thanks

He is mostly correct, but the court fine is usually 6000 bath for overstayers without a passport (as this guy) and 3000 for passport holders. The 20.000 bath fine is always replaced by this fine once you get to court via IDC. 

 

So that leaves you only with the first fine + ticket to your home country to pay, in addition to a fee at IDC for transportation to the airport. It will cost you 3500 bath extra for a ticket one or two days ahead, and 800 for three days or more.

 

Been there, done that.

 

Edited July 26, 2018 by thaibreaker