It’s up to Britain whether to extradite Yingluck: Gen Prayut

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It’s up to Britain whether to extradite Yingluck: Gen Prayut

By Thai PBS

 

 

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha said today that it’s up to British police whether they would respond to the Thai Government’s request for an extradition of former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra to stand trial in Thailand.

 

He explained that the Royal Thai Police, the Office of the Attorney-General and the Foreign Ministry had had done their job in accordance with required procedure in seeking Ms Yingluck’s extradition.

 

“We have done our part in accordance with the law.  Whether she (Yingluck) will be sent back or not is the business of the foreign country (Britain).  Likewise, it  would be up to us to consider if we should send someone back to their country if there is a request for him.  There is no need for me to discuss with the British prime minister about this,” said the prime minister.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/its-up-to-britain-whether-to-extradite-yingluck-gen-prayut/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2018-08-01

[ukrules]

He's 100% correct about that and I suspect he's merely going through the motions, making the right noises, etc.

 

She will not be returning on an involuntary basis any time soon, if however she does decide to return this will be the worst nightmare of the current government. They would have to imprison one of the most popular political families right before an election.

 

This would result in large scale insurrection.

[Chang_paarp]

Well it took how long after the "conviction" to get the paperwork to the British authorities?

 

This might be a further sign that there may be ab election coming, the "we did what we could, it is up to the Brits" disclaimer is a very convenient response to any difficult questions.

[leeneeds]

A back up plan badluck will have if anything remotely is likely on extradition, 

why ruin a good long term holiday for her, show some compassion  

[cornishcarlos]

Why do they keep bringing her back into the media attention ?? Are they gaining anything by doing this or just digging themselves more of a hole !!

[YetAnother]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

We have done our part

idle PR hand-waving, everyone is happy where she is

[ezzra]

The Thai authorities has the upper hand here when it comes to extreditions of wanted people as Thailand is a harbor to several, if not many wanted or would be wanted by the UK authorities, so Thailand can play the tit for tat game here too if they they play their cards right...

[jonclark]

46 minutes ago, ezzra said:

The Thai authorities has the upper hand here when it comes to extreditions of wanted people as Thailand is a harbor to several, if not many wanted or would be wanted by the UK authorities, so Thailand can play the tit for tat game here too if they they play their cards right...

If holding on to wanted criminals - who potentially could cause harm to people in Thailand - is the upper hand? Well it must be a very weak hand. 

 

The big issue here is that Yingluvk alledgedly holds both Nicaragian and Montenegran passports. Even though she is clearly Thai

 

So if she entered on one of these passports then technically she is not Thai and this is supported by the fact her Thai passports have been revoked. So from a legal perspective Thailand is requesting the UK extradite a person from a third party country that is not covered by the extradition treaty that exisits between the UK and Thailand. 

 

My interpretation may be wrong but when my daughter who has dual cirizenship enters Thailand on her Thai passports she gets all the rights, privilages and protections that are afforded to Thais in Thailand and her UK passport is filed away. 

 

I would assume that if YL entered on one of her third party passports she would be afforded the protections those passports provide. 

[Darcula]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

t’s up to Britain whether to extradite Yingluck

 

In other news - Man queues up at post office to buy a banana.

[Netease]

Whats the extradition got to do with the British Police I would have thought it would be higher up the chain for extradition 

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

It’s up to Britain whether to extradite Yingluck: Gen Prayut

So, it’s a no then?

[baboon]

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

The Thai authorities has the upper hand here when it comes to extreditions of wanted people as Thailand is a harbor to several, if not many wanted or would be wanted by the UK authorities, so Thailand can play the tit for tat game here too if they they play their cards right...

Fine. They are welcome to our kiddyfiddlers and fraudsters if they want them. It'll teach us a real lesson, alright... 

[evadgib]

This thread confirms the origin and purpose on the leak.

[yellowboat]

Interpol said "no".  Now they are asking the UK directly thinking they would act differently .   If the UK entertained this dumb idea, they would be the laughing stock of Europe.   Just when you think the elites of Thailand cannot do anything more stupid, they always come up with something new. 

[baboon]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

“We have done our part in accordance with the law.  Whether she (Yingluck) will be sent back or not is the business of the foreign country (Britain).  Likewise, it  would be up to us to consider if we should send someone back to their country if there is a request for him.  There is no need for me to discuss with the British prime minister about this,” said the prime minister.

You are correct, there is no need. No need and no point. You see, Prime Ministers of Britain cannot just do whatever the bloody hell they like and have to respect procedure and court decisions. I know - mental isn't it, but that is unfortunately the way things work in non banana republics...

[nobodysfriend]

Prayut and the thai government know that Britain will not extradite Yingluck to a non-elected military junta .

They do not want her in a thai prison anyway , that would lead to unrest .

But they want to ' keep face ' , that is what this is all about ...!

[robblok]

1 hour ago, jonclark said:

If holding on to wanted criminals - who potentially could cause harm to people in Thailand - is the upper hand? Well it must be a very weak hand. 

 

The big issue here is that Yingluvk alledgedly holds both Nicaragian and Montenegran passports. Even though she is clearly Thai

 

So if she entered on one of these passports then technically she is not Thai and this is supported by the fact her Thai passports have been revoked. So from a legal perspective Thailand is requesting the UK extradite a person from a third party country that is not covered by the extradition treaty that exisits between the UK and Thailand. 

 

My interpretation may be wrong but when my daughter who has dual cirizenship enters Thailand on her Thai passports she gets all the rights, privilages and protections that are afforded to Thais in Thailand and her UK passport is filed away. 

 

I would assume that if YL entered on one of her third party passports she would be afforded the protections those passports provide. 

I doubt that it works that way, if your wanted by Interpol they will get you anyway no matter what passport your on. Problem is this is seen as a political case and they just won't burn their hands on this. But if your a normal criminal it does not matter on what passport you enter its the person that is flagged not its nationallity. 

[mommysboy]

If UK ever did that (they won't), then Thai Gov. would soil its pants.

[smotherb]

Yingluck's life is not in danger should she be returned and there is an extradition treaty between the UK and Thailand, http://www.oecd.org/site/adboecdanti-corruptioninitiative/39371698.pdf 

 

See article five of that treaty:

Article 5.

A fugitive criminal shall not be surrendered if the offence in respect of which his surrender is demanded is deemed by the Party on whom the demand is made to be one of a political character, or if he prove that the requisition for his surrender has in fact been made with a view to try or punish him for an offence of a political character.

 

 

 

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[CanuckThai]

A feeble extradition request to the UK.  The publicized action (however vain the attempt), is a media play, a show of exerting "force and authority" over a potential challenger and foe.  Thai people will see "their version" with culturally programmed and ingrained fear of authority.  

[CanuckThai]

3 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

If UK ever did that (they won't), then Thai Gov. would soil its pants.

The UK should release a high priority media announcement, indicating they have sent a previously high positioned Thai woman, back to Thailand.  Released only after the flight has departed the UK and about to arrive in Thailand.  

 

Oh...  Thought the extradition was for a Ms. Yingruck.  Misunderstanding...

 

 

[jonclark]

19 minutes ago, smotherb said:

Yingluck's life is not in danger should she be returned and there is an extradition treaty between the UK and Thailand, http://www.oecd.org/site/adboecdanti-corruptioninitiative/39371698.pdf 

 

See article five of that treaty:

Article 5.

A fugitive criminal shall not be surrendered if the offence in respect of which his surrender is demanded is deemed by the Party on whom the demand is made to be one of a political character, or if he prove that the requisition for his surrender has in fact been made with a view to try or punish him for an offence of a political character.

 

 

 

I would humbly point out that given the use of pronouns in Article 5 it only applies to males. YL has nothing to fear.

[DM07]

Since the British are known for their humor, it would be great, if they pretended to send her over!

Just to see the collective government and some of their "supporters" wet their pants.

The stupid wetting them with delight!

The other stupid (government officials) wetting them, because that is SOOOOO NOT what they want!

[zydeco]

3 hours ago, ezzra said:

The Thai authorities has the upper hand here when it comes to extreditions of wanted people as Thailand is a harbor to several, if not many wanted or would be wanted by the UK authorities, so Thailand can play the tit for tat game here too if they they play their cards right...

Thailand could retaliate against UK expats. Make visa extensions a bit rougher and deny a few as examples.

[stephenterry]

And while they're at it, how about the Red Bull police killer?

[jonclark]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

I doubt that it works that way, if your wanted by Interpol they will get you anyway no matter what passport your on. Problem is this is seen as a political case and they just won't burn their hands on this. But if your a normal criminal it does not matter on what passport you enter its the person that is flagged not its nationallity. 

Rob. On reflection you may well be right. Otherwise all a criminal woud need to do is get a new nationality and they are home free. Which is a massive loophole. Cheers

[Sonhia]

'UP TO YOU'.

 

How many times have I heard those three words and worked out a possible alternative meaning.

 

Personally, I hope the British do nothing. Why should they? 

 

Red Bull comes to mind as does the deaths of British tourists, unexplained and handled appealingly.

 

 

[jonclark]

14 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Thailand could retaliate against UK expats. Make visa extensions a bit rougher and deny a few as examples.

And you actually think that would have any effect on the decision making process in the UK?

 

The UK press could always spin it as Brits not welcome in Thailand. Which would make uncomfortble reading for TAT.

 

[baboon]

22 minutes ago, DM07 said:

Since the British are known for their humor, it would be great, if they pretended to send her over!

Just to see the collective government and some of their "supporters" wet their pants.

The stupid wetting them with delight!

The other stupid (government officials) wetting them, because that is SOOOOO NOT what they want!

Because we are looking at the post-Brexit future and going round the world asking for a little spare change. Otherwise it would be great to give them the runaround...

[zydeco]

2 minutes ago, jonclark said:

Which would make uncomfortble reading for TAT.

Not unless they were UK-Chinese.