UK says Brexit no-deal warnings are 'Project Reality', not 'Project Fear'

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UK says Brexit no-deal warnings are 'Project Reality', not 'Project Fear'

 

Britain's Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt gives a press conference at the Royal Botanic Garden in Edinburgh, Scotland July 20, 2018. David Cheskin/Pool via Reuters/Files

 

VIENNA (Reuters) - British foreign minister Jeremy Hunt denied on Wednesday that warnings about fallout from a disorderly exit from the European Union were an attempt to scare opponents of the government's preferred Brexit plan into supporting it.

 

With less than eight months until Britain leaves the EU, the government has yet to agree an exit deal with Brussels and has begun talking more publicly about the prospect of leaving the bloc without any formal agreement on what happens next.

 

That has spooked businesses, which warn of chaotic disruption to supply chains and for consumers.

 

Ministers will begin publishing advice later this month on how to cope with a 'No Deal' Brexit - prompting accusations of scaremongering from those who say leaving the EU will benefit Britain.

 

"This is not project fear, this is project reality," Hunt told a news conference in Vienna, when asked whether Britain was using scare tactics.

 

"We have to make a decision on Britain’s future relationship with the EU by the end of this year and we have to be very honest with ourselves about the choices that we face."

 

In the run-up to the referendum in mid-2016 when Britons voted by 52 to 48 percent to exit the EU, the government's predictions of dire economic consequences in the event of a 'leave' vote - which have not materialised - were criticised as 'Project Fear'.

 

Prime Minister Theresa May's ministers have fanned out across Europe during the summer break from parliament, trying to win support for a Brexit plan that would see Britain maintain closer ties with the bloc than some had anticipated.

 

"We need to have these frank discussions because time is very, very short and we are clear that what we want is a friendship," Hunt said, speaking alongside his Austrian counterpart Karin Kneissl.

 

Parts of May's plan have been rejected by Brussels, and it has split opinion in her government, her party, and among voters. That leaves May with an uphill struggle to maintain unity while steering Britain through its most significant upheaval in decades.

 

"Britain will prosper and succeed whatever the outcome of these talks because we’re that kind of country," Hunt said.

 

"But we would much rather a future when we look at all the instability in the world, all the pressures, all the unpredictability ... where people who share values are standing together shoulder to shoulder."

 

(Reporting Francois Murphy, writing by William James; editing by John Stonestreet)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-08-02

[canopus1969]

Great news - stuff the EU and let's have a No Deal asap

[whatsupdoc]

18 minutes ago, canopus1969 said:

Great news - stuff the EU and let's have a No Deal asap

I wouldn't mind the EU to be stuffed with (former) British companies. Bring it on. ?

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

I wouldn't mind the EU to be stuffed with (former) British companies. Bring it on. ?

There is also large amount of Asian etc.companies, which have European offices in UK.

Those start moving to EU countries as well as they need a presence in EU. There is nothing to be afraid of, this is a good thing. 

[terryw]

June 2016 George Osborne predicted economic collapse and hundreds of thousands of City jobs moving to Europe.

 

Yesterday the City of London estimated that between 5000 to 13000 jobs will actually move.

 

The Europeans need to wake up and understand that a No Deal will have a significant effect on future trade on both sides of the English Channel and Irish Sea.

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, oilinki said:

There is also large amount of Asian etc.companies, which have European offices in UK.

Those start moving to EU countries as well as they need a presence in EU. There is nothing to be afraid of, this is a good thing. 

 

When the EU finally rips apart, and it will do, the only question is a matter of time, things in Europe will inevitably get nasty again. You can see the signs of the "fault lines" developing already.

 

When member states are at one another's throats, if things get physical, don't expect us to come and sort it out at our expense and great sacrifice. Napoleon, the Kaiser, the Nazis. All wanted to rule Europe. All were defeated with tremendous cost and sacrifice to Britain. 

 

Not again. Good luck.

[dick dasterdly]

"In the run-up to the referendum in mid-2016 when Britons voted by 52 to 48 percent to exit the EU, the government's predictions of dire economic consequences in the event of a 'leave' vote - which have not materialised - were criticised as 'Project Fear'."

 

Very true - so let's pretend that the latest "government's predictions of dire economic consequences in the event of " no deal - will result in "dire economic consequences" - even though we (the govt./experts/media) got it very wrong first time round....

 

Politics.... ?

 

[Guest]

58 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

When the EU finally rips apart, and it will do, the only question is a matter of time, things in Europe will inevitably get nasty again. You can see the signs of the "fault lines" developing already.

You do understand that the foreign companies need to have presence in EU? It was not EU decision,  which forced the companies to leave UK once Brexit is Brexit.

[mrfill]

Jeremy who?

 

 

[Thingamabob]

Gutless, feeble remoaners. 

[hansnl]

6 hours ago, whatsupdoc said:

I wouldn't mind the EU to be stuffed with (former) British companies. Bring it on. ?

May The Netherlands be the next to leave the despotic EU.

[nontabury]

Pre the referendum, the government and the establishment were so arrogant in their expectations of the People rejection Brexit, that no preparations for our exit were put in place. And they have consequently been rightly criticized for their stance.

Come 2018 in expectation of 2019 Brexit, the government has quite rightly instructed the civil servants to draw up plans,in case a bitter E.U. attempts to 

cause havoc at U.K. ports. 

This should lead to the civil servants preparing a strategy to cope with the worst case scenario. This does not mean it will happen,just it may. The same as the civil service will already have in place contingency plans in place in case of an outbreak of the Ebola virus in the U.K. 

So what we have now,is that some remainers are trying to use these contingency plans to scare the population, in a vain attempt to make the British people change their minds and accept rule from Brussels. Will they succeed, only time will tell.

 

[nontabury]

8 minutes ago, hansnl said:

May The Netherlands be the next to leave the despotic EU.

 

This is exactly what the Bureaucrats in Brussels are afraid of. 

[whatsupdoc]

36 minutes ago, hansnl said:

May The Netherlands be the next to leave the despotic EU.

The Netherlands, like Germany, has been doing very well in the EU. Why on earth would they want to commit economic suicide?

 

[dunroaming]

4 hours ago, terryw said:

June 2016 George Osborne predicted economic collapse and hundreds of thousands of City jobs moving to Europe.

 

Yesterday the City of London estimated that between 5000 to 13000 jobs will actually move.

 

The Europeans need to wake up and understand that a No Deal will have a significant effect on future trade on both sides of the English Channel and Irish Sea.

This is just posturing and will go on relentlessly for some time yet.  None of it means anything because it is all unknown until we know what we are going to do.  "Boris tipped to make a leadership challenge!"  "Hunt pitching in with no deal comments."  It is all orchestrated and quite honestly threads like this just illustrate that we all fall for hype..  A complete waste of time because tomorrow there will be more hype  to stir the loins!

[Guest]

Britain already had 2 year transformation period, which was supposed to make all the needed brexit deals between Britain and EU. How has UK used that time? Internal fighting, trying to get some eat cake, keep cake deals, complaining that EU is not being fair for UK. UK has not even started the negotiations. 

 

Well, UK wanted out. Brexit is Brexit.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/britain-seeks-eu-nations-support-avoid-messy-divorce-132338498.html

 

Quote

 

Britain seeks EU nations' support to avoid 'messy divorce'

British Prime Minister Theresa May has launched a charm offensive to win over individual EU member states to support her Brexit

 

 

[nontabury]

1 hour ago, whatsupdoc said:

The Netherlands, like Germany, has been doing very well in the EU. Why on earth would they want to commit economic suicide?

 

The anti E.U. Netherlands VPP led by Geert Wilder nearly doubled its vote between the Dutch general election of 2012 to 2017, becoming the 2nd largest party.

So why would they want to leave the hated E.U. 

Could it be that they are now realising what the E.U. is mutating into. 

Look through most E.U member countries, and you will soon realise that there’s an ever growing surge by the people to ditch the E.U.

 

by the way whatsupdoc, what country are you from?

[welovesundaysatspace]

36 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

by the way whatsupdoc, what country are you from?

Classic example of people lacking arguments: try to discredit the other one with something off-topic.

 

Not surprised. Quite amusing to see all those brexiteers helplessly post one-liners that so obviously lack anything substantial, whereas people warning about a hard Brexit come up with pretty good, fact-based and logically sound analysis. 

[sammieuk1]

Fear not Boris said we will end up with a better deal out than in the 350m slapped on the side of bus expected expulsion of immigrants the very next day including the ones from the Indian sub continent whipped up by the taking back of our borders sovereignty and our own laws are all perfectly true in every flat cap Brexit voters head. The facts will be every millionaire will continue to do very well in or out and the poor will end up with the enormous tab as always the EU will implode sooner or later without the UK we appear to have missed the foot and shot ourselves in the face?    

[dick dasterdly]

18 hours ago, dunroaming said:

This is just posturing and will go on relentlessly for some time yet.  None of it means anything because it is all unknown until we know what we are going to do.  "Boris tipped to make a leadership challenge!"  "Hunt pitching in with no deal comments."  It is all orchestrated and quite honestly threads like this just illustrate that we all fall for hype..  A complete waste of time because tomorrow there will be more hype  to stir the loins!

"It is all orchestrated and quite honestly threads like this just illustrate that we all fall for hype."

 

I disagree as IMO it is mostly the remainers that believe the hype.  Those actually thinking, generally recognise propaganda as such, and try to point out why it's nothing other than 'project fear'.

 

But I do agree that the hype/project fear propaganda will continue for some time yet ☹️.

[dunroaming]

3 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

I disagree as IMO it is mostly the remainers that believe the hype.  Those actually thinking, generally recognise propaganda as such, and try to point out why it's nothing other than 'project fear'.

The hype is pitched to both sides and both sides are gullible enough to believe it.  How you can figure that the remainers are more gullible than the leavers is laughable, IMO.

 

"May tells Macron that It's the Chequers deal or no deal!"  So says the Daily Mail.  Anybody can see that is just bullsh*t especially after the earlier headline said that May was on a "charm offensive by visiting Macron".

 

We all need to stop searching for quotes from the media who all have papers to sell.  It's all speculative rubbish.  There are no facts.

[Jim1000]

Well  it seemed an attractive  idea to regain our sovereign place in the world etc  , it is just that just days after Brexit - Fox rushes of to India to shake hands with Duarte (?) at some Asian do . Meanwhile May puts her scarf on an rushes to Saudi to kiss the Sheik's ring -  where they execute people with a golden sword - ( and that's only the women ) and invites a brand new half mad US President to tea.

 

That's when I started to have doubts ! .

[dunroaming]

15 minutes ago, Jim1000 said:

Well  it seemed an attractive  idea to regain our sovereign place in the world etc  , it is just that just days after Brexit - Fox rushes of to India to shake hands with Duarte (?) at some Asian do . Meanwhile May puts her scarf on an rushes to Saudi to kiss the Sheik's ring -  where they execute people with a golden sword - ( and that's only the women ) and invites a brand new half mad US President to tea.

 

That's when I started to have doubts ! .

Right on the nail.  Thank you!

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

Some excellent comments on here.

It is also a fact that there are now well over 3 million EU subjects living in the UK, twice the number of Brits in the EU. I wonder why?

The export/imports are heavily in the EU's favour and many jobs are at stake on both sides, but potentially considerably more in the EU due to that large imbalance, plus the fact the UK is one of the two major contributors to their budget.

 

The EU is well known for its Brinkmanship in negotiations.

May must blink no more, no more appeasement, her latest proposal is a step further than we should go.

The last audited accounts for the EU shows something in the region of 5% unaccounted for, does this not stink of corruption, as it is a vast amount of money? That is to say nothing of the huge cast of moving back and forth between Brussels and Strasbourg.

 

Time to get out and let this house of cards collapse around their semi-democratic, economically unenviable and expansionist nonsense.

 

 

 

 

 

[sandyf]

On 8/2/2018 at 6:03 PM, hansnl said:

May The Netherlands be the next to leave the despotic EU.

Brexiteer wishful thinking. The EMA has been relocated to Amsterdam and the British Standards Institute has moved their medical devices compliance department to the Netherlands. The Netherlands will become the focal point of European medicine, to which the UK will have to go cap in hand. 

Time to wake up to the future.

[evadgib]

 

[JTXR]

Well, we'll see, won't we?  And in any event, watching the Brits bash each other will be entertaining for years to come.

[dunroaming]

8 minutes ago, JTXR said:

Well, we'll see, won't we?  And in any event, watching the Brits bash each other will be entertaining for years to come.

Yes indeed we will see (eventually).  As for the Brits bashing themselves for years to come over Brexit I doubt that will happen that much.  There will almost certainly be a general election whichever way it goes and then the Brits will go back to party political bickering.  It is a country divided and never more than now.  We need the young to heal it and that will take quite a time.

[nausea]

As far as I'm concerned it's about how low can we get the value of the pound, I'm sure there's a tonload of guys out there making a packet out of this, and when it rebounds a tonload more will make another packet.

[dunroaming]

49 minutes ago, nausea said:

As far as I'm concerned it's about how low can we get the value of the pound, I'm sure there's a tonload of guys out there making a packet out of this, and when it rebounds a tonload more will make another packet.

They are called currency dealers, either full or part timers. I know a couple who are neighbours.  The secret is to sell for now, I would think,  although you would need to have very big balls to commit either way today.