Thaksin vows to fight for ‘democracy'

[snoop1130]

Thaksin vows to fight for ‘democracy'

By The Nation

 

Yingluck and Thaksin Shinawatra

 

Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra vowed to keep on his “battle for Thailand’s democracy”, despite living in self-exile overseas for around a decade, according to the red-shirt media on Thursday.

 

The Peace News Facebook page reports that the ex-premier, who was overthrown by a military coup in 2006, made a speech during his belated birthday party with his sister, fellow ex-PM Yingluck Shinawatra.

 

The Shinawatra siblings, both living outside the kingdom to avoid facing what they call “unfair justice”, savoured a birthday cake together with their fans from Thailand’s Pheu Thai Party in a Hong Kong hotel, Peace News reported.

 

“The loss will only come in two cases: loss from death and loss from surrender,” Thaksin reportedly said at the celebration. 

 

“We won’t lose as long as we fight. There is no war, only a battle. War will end when everything is over while the battle is about constant fighting,” he added.

 

The most important war is that for democracy, he said. 

 

“I’m 69 years old already. I wish to see Thailand prosper again. Importantly, I wish to see dignity return to all Thai people. We used to live with equal dignity, rights and freedom under a democratic government.”

 

He also slammed “those who spontaneously grab arms to rule and suppress us”, referring to the military coups that ousted him and later Yingluck in 2014, and took over the administration.

 

“We can’t accept that. The election day will be when people judge whether my words are correct,” he added.

 

The government under two-time elected Thaksin from 2001 to 2006 was when Thailand saw various major policy changes.

 

It was also politically controversial for suspected patronage among Shinawatra networks, alleged heavy corruption as well as rights abuse in the drugs "war" and bloody raids in Thailand’s deep south.

 

Even so, Thaksin has remained politically popular even after he fled from the kingdom. Yingluck then won the general election in 2011.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30351849

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2018-8-9

[tracker1]

Just the mention of the Taskin name would have Mr P fuming ! but no problem only Pro Junta parties will be contesting the election when and if it happens !

[Phuket Man]

Thaksin ? Democracy?  Naaah.

[bangrak]

When this piece of garbage does really come from 'The Nation', oh my!

Maybe a silly trainee copying from some international news agency lobbied by Thaksin's specialist, but then, one might expect a public correction from 'The Nation'! But guess what....

It is not only serving as the loudspeaker of a convicted criminal, but to repeat the worn-out silly lies: 'living in self-exile' (like asking for authorisation to go to the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics, and the not come back, breaking his word?), 'overthrown by a military coup in 2006' (while his(!) party went on governing, even with a cousin as PM?).

Quotes like: 'Living outside the Kingdom to avoid what they call "unfair justice"' a good one too: doesn't Justice always seem unfair to the guilty... 'We won't lose as long as we fight': aha, I thought they were no more involved in Thai internal affairs, so: lying again about being 'retired', 'out of politics', etc., what is needed more to close down Thaksin's PTP shop, and any new one (FFP, who knows?)...?

'The most important war is that for democracy' is a good one though, IMO, the only problem in this coming out of Thaksin's mouth, is that he was never, ever, interested into 'democracy', just in the tiny little bits which could be usable inside his personal domination game!

Shame on you 'The Nation', never will I again buy your paper in printed form! You have no honour!

 

[coulson]

30 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

The most important war is that for democracy, he said

If he truly believes that he might as well come home to stir the shit properly.

 

Although, it seems like far too much fun to stir the pot safely from various lavish watering holes dotted around the globe.

[sammieuk1]

Penthouse and gun politics will crush the poor just about anywhere ?

[grumbleweed]

45 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

Thaksin vows to fight for ‘democracy'

To which Prayut replied "spit spit feathers election postponed feathers spit spit"

[yellowboat]

Both of them were a disappointment, but even so, the humble Thai will have better luck with them than the golden circle's army attack dog's. 

[Chris Lawrence]

2 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

“I’m 69 years old already. I wish to see Thailand prosper again. Importantly, I wish to see dignity return to all Thai people. We used to live with equal dignity, rights and freedom under a democratic government.”

 

2 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The government under two-time elected Thaksin from 2001 to 2006 was when Thailand saw various major policy changes.

 

It was also politically controversial for suspected patronage among Shinawatra networks, alleged heavy corruption as well as rights abuse in the drugs "war" and bloody raids in Thailand’s deep south.

 

Even so, Thaksin has remained politically popular even after he fled from the kingdom. Yingluck then won the general election in 2011.

The first quote, dignity. There was dignity given back to farmers, but a loathing from the Hi So's. The war on drugs was a divide between right and wrong; some 950 people killed, with 900 killed by police bullets? The trouble in the south; laying a truck load of people face down on top of each other.

 

There was stability with MR T but the armed forces were loosing their grip on their power base.

 

The heavy corruption theory may be true, but whet is it now. Look at the spending now. Mainly to help the Bangkok area; where are the dams?

 

They make a lovely couple, but were their tenures as bad as what is happening now?

[baboon]

1 hour ago, Chris Lawrence said:

 

The first quote, dignity. There was dignity given back to farmers, but a loathing from the Hi So's. The war on drugs was a divide between right and wrong; some 950 people killed, with 900 killed by police bullets? The trouble in the south; laying a truck load of people face down on top of each other.

 

There was stability with MR T but the armed forces were loosing their grip on their power base.

 

The heavy corruption theory may be true, but whet is it now. Look at the spending now. Mainly to help the Bangkok area; where are the dams?

 

They make a lovely couple, but were their tenures as bad as what is happening now?

Perhaps not quite, but still a filthy Asian family dynasty being forced from office by a filthy elite. Both want the adulation of the people and their share of the take. There is not much to choose from, but at least the filthy Shinawatra dynasty could and possibly would have been slung out of office by now from the voting public. Now the public enjoy no such rights.

Their 'guardians' are back to stay for years and years to come. Fair enough. Just as long as the Thai working class don't bother me with appeals for help when they will do nothing for themselves..,.

[AhFarangJa]

12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

We used to live with equal dignity, rights and freedom under a democratic government.”

Oh, come on, who is he kidding. I am the first to admit that I am not well versed in Thai politics, nor am I a supporter of any single party, be it Shinawatra;s or another. But, can he honestly expect anyone to believe that sentence. you always have, and always will have an us and them, rich, poor divide here, no way is there EQUAL dignity, or rights. It may have been a democratically elected government, but only to serve the rich and connected.

As one quote from many years ago regarding a Communist rule......Under Communism we are all equal, just some people are more equal than others.. ( That is not alluding that Taksin is Communist by the way, just an analogy ).

[eggers]

Just a weak coward spruiking his own self interest!! 

[Eric Loh]

1 minute ago, eggers said:

Just a weak coward spruiking his own self interest!! 

Prayut????? How dare you.

[Baerboxer]

12 hours ago, bangrak said:

When this piece of garbage does really come from 'The Nation', oh my!

Maybe a silly trainee copying from some international news agency lobbied by Thaksin's specialist, but then, one might expect a public correction from 'The Nation'! But guess what....

It is not only serving as the loudspeaker of a convicted criminal, but to repeat the worn-out silly lies: 'living in self-exile' (like asking for authorisation to go to the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics, and the not come back, breaking his word?), 'overthrown by a military coup in 2006' (while his(!) party went on governing, even with a cousin as PM?).

Quotes like: 'Living outside the Kingdom to avoid what they call "unfair justice"' a good one too: doesn't Justice always seem unfair to the guilty... 'We won't lose as long as we fight': aha, I thought they were no more involved in Thai internal affairs, so: lying again about being 'retired', 'out of politics', etc., what is needed more to close down Thaksin's PTP shop, and any new one (FFP, who knows?)...?

'The most important war is that for democracy' is a good one though, IMO, the only problem in this coming out of Thaksin's mouth, is that he was never, ever, interested into 'democracy', just in the tiny little bits which could be usable inside his personal domination game!

Shame on you 'The Nation', never will I again buy your paper in printed form! You have no honour!

 

 

How can you tell when a Shiniwattra lies ?

 

Their lips move!! 

[Baerboxer]

12 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Prayut????? How dare you.

 

No. Prayut hasn't run off (yet).

 

Nor did he promise to 'stand with you shoulder to shoulder when the first bullets fired" whilst really evacuating his family and going shopping in Paris. 

 

Your hero is as cowardly as they come.

[Baerboxer]

8 hours ago, baboon said:

Perhaps not quite, but still a filthy Asian family dynasty being forced from office by a filthy elite. Both want the adulation of the people and their share of the take. There is not much to choose from, but at least the filthy Shinawatra dynasty could and possibly would have been slung out of office by now from the voting public. Now the public enjoy no such rights.

Their 'guardians' are back to stay for years and years to come. Fair enough. Just as long as the Thai working class don't bother me with appeals for help when they will do nothing for themselves..,.

 

In a nutshell - spot on! 

 

I salute you sir!

[robblok]

8 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

How can you tell when a Shiniwattra lies ?

 

Their lips move!! 

I would extend it to Thai politicians and the military not a typical Shin thing, though Thaksin was known for his lying saying one thing doing an other. 

[Baerboxer]

Thaksin has a similar take on democracy to that of his eternal buddy, the Cambodian dictator. As long has his family wins, it's wonderful. And anything is allowed to make sure they when and keep winning.

 

Should he have fiddled his amnesty white wash, got back and the clan got their hands on the 2.2 trillion ThB "loan" they were after, the Shin dynasty would have been cementing their control, regardless of democracy.

 

His idea of "justice" is similar - only when he can lie, bribe or sweep under the carpet.

[robblok]

8 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

No. Prayut hasn't run off (yet).

 

Nor did he promise to 'stand with you shoulder to shoulder when the first bullets fired" whilst really evacuating his family and going shopping in Paris. 

 

Your hero is as cowardly as they come.

Yes Thaksin is nothing more then a coward who wants others to catch bullets for him so he can return and rape the country. Now the military is doing so but at least they don't tell lies like that they will be there shoulder to shoulder.. when the bullets are fired. 
Quite low making others do your dirty work catching bullets, landing in jail.. then the amnesty that could have helped a lot of the grunts that were loyal to him torpedoed because the big boss wanted an amnesty too. Totally selfish person. 

[Baerboxer]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

I would extend it to Thai politicians and the military not a typical Shin thing, though Thaksin was known for his lying saying one thing doing an other. 

 

I would extend it to most of the population! Lying for convenience seems perfectly acceptable.

 

But yes Thaksin has and continues to tell whoppers; and so did Yingluck

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Thaksin has a similar take on democracy to that of his eternal buddy, the Cambodian dictator. As long has his family wins, it's wonderful. And anything is allowed to make sure they when and keep winning.

 

Should he have fiddled his amnesty white wash, got back and the clan got their hands on the 2.2 trillion ThB "loan" they were after, the Shin dynasty would have been cementing their control, regardless of democracy.

 

His idea of "justice" is similar - only when he can lie, bribe or sweep under the carpet.

Yes Thaksins justice... bribing judges with a cake box full of money... honest mistake.. he respects the justice system so much... but only if it is in his advantage.. otherwise its unfair.. political ect ect. I can't believe that there are still foreigners on the forum who consider him their hero. 

 

[Eric Loh]

20 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

No. Prayut hasn't run off (yet).

 

Nor did he promise to 'stand with you shoulder to shoulder when the first bullets fired" whilst really evacuating his family and going shopping in Paris. 

 

Your hero is as cowardly as they come.

I am sure you made a great hero albeit dead running into the bullets. Do generals lead the charges down enemy lines or work in their operation room? 

[hansnl]

13 hours ago, Phuket Man said:

Thaksin ? Democracy?  Naaah.

In that he is like Erdogan in Turkey.

Use democracy to reach your goal, which is personal profit, and then forget it

[Yann55]

 

For this guy, democracy in Thailand means only one thing : the opportunity to get elected so he can resume stuffing his and all of his family's pockets, while throwing a few crumbs to the desperate and naive farmers who fall for his populist bs.

 

Sadly, the fact that these Isarn farmers believe a billionaire can actually care one bit about them only underlines how much the 'other side' despises them, ignores them, uses them and sees them as nothing but a bunch of thick-headed buffaloes.

 

In the long run, this cannot end well.

 

 

Edited August 10, 2018 by Yann55

[TKDfella]

Come on Mr. PM, there must be something in OP that gives you an excuse to delay the polls. Please someone, correct if I'm wrong, but wasn't Thaksin's original conviction for two years in prison? He would have been out now and able to stir it all up, ha!

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I am sure you made a great hero albeit dead running into the bullets. Do generals lead the charges down enemy lines or work in their operation room? 

Generals don't claim to stand shoulder to shoulder with their men, if you claim something like that and don't follow up your nothing more then a coward.

 

[robblok]

 

2 minutes ago, TKDfella said:

Come on Mr. PM, there must be something in OP that gives you an excuse to delay the polls. Please someone, correct if I'm wrong, but wasn't Thaksin's original conviction for two years in prison? He would have been out now and able to stir it all up, ha!

The reason he ran, the coward, was because there were far more serious crimes committed by him. This was just the first case, and evidence was so strong he could not win otherwise he would surely have stayed and done his 2 years.  Though I am not sure that people who have been in jail can run for PM / MP.. (could be wrong).

[TKDfella]

8 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

The reason he ran, the coward, was because there were far more serious crimes committed by him. This was just the first case, and evidence was so strong he could not win otherwise he would surely have stayed and done his 2 years.  Though I am not sure that people who have been in jail can run for PM / MP.. (could be wrong).

Perhaps I should make more time to read about politics/politicians but there is very little that interests me, even less here than in my native country. I would choose those who seemed to reflect some of my own thoughts but in the main both sides would have something I liked. I do recognize this as a fault and I should be more attentive but there you go 'I am what I am' as they say. Thanks for the clarification anyway.

[rodney earl]

I would be interested to know what he knows about democracy. Not very much I would suggest.!!!

[robblok]

1 minute ago, TKDfella said:

Perhaps I should make more time to read about politics/politicians but there is very little that interests me, even less here than in my native country. I would choose those who seemed to reflect some of my own thoughts but in the main both sides would have something I liked. I do recognize this as a fault and I should be more attentive but there you go 'I am what I am' as they say. Thanks for the clarification anyway.

I used to think that Thai politics had good guys.. now i despice both the junta and the PTP, and probably all others except future forward. The problem is almost all of them are in it for their own gain. They lie steal and cheat, once in power they act like the rules don't apply to them. 

 

For some die hard Thaksin lovers the moment you comment about Thaksin you automatically support the other side... they can't seem to understand there are those of us who think they are all bad. Sure they all have some good things / plans too but in the end its about filling their own pockets. 

 

In my own country i did follow politics but like here it does not really influence the life of ordinary people that much. I just like the debate here a bit the political threads here are more active then other threads. I like the fitness part of the forum more or the IT part but nobody posts there.