UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[Stupooey]

11 minutes ago, vogie said:

It is tebees link, not mine. What person uses expressions like "dunderhead" Only a person who posts rubbish and thinks he/or she is superior to others. It is really time you started to respect other posters.

 

Surely it's the person who accuses someone else of posting rubbish who considers themself superior.

[Stupooey]

14 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

So why did you stop protesting?

 

The war ended. Didn't seem much point then.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, nontabury said:

Perhaps Davis was taken in by the blatant lies of T.May and her fellow remainer and side kick Olly Robbins.

Domanic Rabb then thought, he was taking over the Secretary of State, for Brexit. But again, he soon came to the conclusion that he was being used.

 And immediately resigned.

What you and your fellow remoaners fail to understand, is that, should the people’s vote in 2016 be overturned, Brexit will not go away. There will always be a large section of the public, who will become increasingly anti E.u.  

In 1975 we voted to join a trading union,never a political union.

Do you honestly think for one moment that if the true intentions of our “Betters” has been known,that we would have voted for this elitist creation. 

 

 

Thank you for that. I watched it all the way through and I was very impressed with JRM.

[billd766]

24 minutes ago, Stupooey said:

 

I certainly didn't vote for this elitist creation. Did you?

No I didn't, but only because I am not a constituent of his.

 

If I was a constituent I would certainly have voted for him.

 

Did you even vote?

[billd766]

22 minutes ago, Stupooey said:

Good to find one Leave supporter who doesn't think the Brits won WW2 single-handed. The Russians had a bit to say as well.

But without lease lend from the USA, the arctic convoys and the overland routes to supply Russia who knows what would have happened?

[mogandave]

The war ended. Didn't seem much point then.

Really?

You mean when they quit showing SEA on TV it wasn’t so cool anymore so you lost interest along with the rest of the sheep.

Why no concern about all the killing that went on in Cambodia?

[StreetCowboy]

1 hour ago, Stupooey said:

 

My recollection is that, at the time of the vote, May was considered to be a closet Leaver who was going along with the Cameron narrative to preserve her then status. The reason none of the official Leavers wanted the job was that they realised it was a poisoned chalice,  as they had made no plans for Brexit. May was the sacrificial lamb, left to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

We had pigs ears as a pre-dinner snack at one of the local pubs where the cider is cheap, and you couldn't make a silk purse out of them.  Except maybe a very fatty silk purse.

[Stupooey]

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

No I didn't, but only because I am not a constituent of his.

 

If I was a constituent I would certainly have voted for him.

 

Did you even vote?

 

Not in the Referendum, although entitled to. 2 reasons: I am unlikely to return to the UK to live, and also too old to justify helping to decide the long term future of the country. 

[3NUMBAS]

another ref would result in a bloodbath as brexiteers could become disenfranchised so best leave the result as it is .democracy at work folks

[Stupooey]

14 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

Really?

You mean when they quit showing SEA on TV it wasn’t so cool anymore so you lost interest along with the rest of the sheep.

Why no concern about all the killing that went on in Cambodia?

 

 

 

Resorting to insults? Isn't it just better to admit that you're wrong? And what's it got to do with Brexit anyway? 

[tebee]

41 minutes ago, vogie said:

Lets not play games with each other tebee, it also states that the government will implement what you decide.

OK gloves off - you somehow believe that a letter stated as advisory can magicly alter an advisory referendum and make it a legally binding one ?

 

Then I am afraid Grasshopper, you have much to learn about way and wiles of politicians who can appear to offer you a binding commitment, while using smoke and mirrors to give you nothing at all.    

[tebee]

38 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Thank you for that. I watched it all the way through and I was very impressed with JRM.

JRM is all mouth and no trousers. When he has been asked questions by people who know their stuff he has just waffled and provaricated.

 

He's an act, not a politician of substance, in the same way borris is.   

[SheungWan]

41 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Thank you for that. I watched it all the way through and I was very impressed with JRM.

Yes. Very nice bow tie.

[adammike]

39 minutes ago, Stupooey said:

 

Resorting to insults? Isn't it just better to admit that you're wrong? And what's it got to do with Brexit anyway? 

It's called the dead cat strategy,its how Boris Johnson operates.

[tebee]

33 minutes ago, tebee said:

JRM is all mouth and no trousers. When he has been asked questions by people who know their stuff he has just waffled and provaricated.

 

He's an act, not a politician of substance, in the same way borris is.   

As further evidence 

 

 

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe pointing out, as diplomatically as he can, that the UK will miss out on Japanese investment should there be a no deal Brexit.  

 

Another point that remainers have been making since this vote. There is no reason for a non-EU company to set up a European operation in the UK anymore, as they will no longer have unfettered access to the EU. The Chinese were being courted by George Osborne for that very same reason, many of them choose English as their preferred foreign language ... all that will go somewhere else now. Over time we'll see them all reduce their investment and redirect their production somewhere else. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/01/shinzo-abe-to-theresa-may-avoid-a-no-deal-brexit-eu

Maybe Shinzo Abe was offering tips on immigration mangement as the Japs are very hot in that area

In the first half of 2017 it accepted just three asylum seekers. For the previous year, just 28 settled there.

Japan's Prime Minster Shinzo Abe refuses to relax immigration rules despite shrinking population

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japan-immigration-shinzo-abe-refuse-relax-rules-prime-minister-policy-shrinking-population-foreign-a8065281.html

and now he is looking at a 2 tier immigration rule policy The EU would love this one

creating two classes of foreign workers to serve in about 10 as-yet-unspecified industries. Lower-skilled migrants would be allowed to stay for as long as five years and barred from bringing their families. More highly skilled workers could bring family members and stay longer.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/10/18/national/social-issues/japan-first-led-protesters-slam-abe-plan-allow-foreign-workers/#.XALCNmj7RPY

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, StreetCowboy said:

We had pigs ears as a pre-dinner snack at one of the local pubs where the cider is cheap, and you couldn't make a silk purse out of them.  Except maybe a very fatty silk purse.

Did you enjoy China?

[nontabury]

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

My list may have been 2 inches; but it ended with Etc., Etc......

 

If the list of lies from the Remain campaign is so long; why can't you give at least one example?

 

Well according to many, and when I say many,I don’t just mean Brexiteers, but also Remoaners and your leaders in Europe. None of these will take place Unless our masters in Brussels agree.

[AlexRich]

46 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Maybe Shinzo Abe was offering tips on immigration mangement as the Japs are very hot in that area

In the first half of 2017 it accepted just three asylum seekers. For the previous year, just 28 settled there.

Japan's Prime Minster Shinzo Abe refuses to relax immigration rules despite shrinking population

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japan-immigration-shinzo-abe-refuse-relax-rules-prime-minister-policy-shrinking-population-foreign-a8065281.html

and now he is looking at a 2 tier immigration rule policy The EU would love this one

creating two classes of foreign workers to serve in about 10 as-yet-unspecified industries. Lower-skilled migrants would be allowed to stay for as long as five years and barred from bringing their families. More highly skilled workers could bring family members and stay longer.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/10/18/national/social-issues/japan-first-led-protesters-slam-abe-plan-allow-foreign-workers/#.XALCNmj7RPY

 

You completely ignore the point made and spend your time fishing out links about something completely unrelated? The point was about yet another example of how Brexit voters have shot themselves and fellow citizens in the foot economically. It wasn't about Japanese immigration policies. 

 

 

[nontabury]

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

My list may have been 2 inches; but it ended with Etc., Etc......

 

If the list of lies from the Remain campaign is so long; why can't you give at least one example?

 

Well according to many, and when I say many,I don’t just mean Brexiteers, but also Remoaners and your leaders in Europe. None of these will take place Unless our masters in Brussels agree.

[AlexRich]

6 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

Well according to many, and when I say many,I don’t just mean Brexiteers, but also Remoaners and your leaders in Europe. None of these will take place Unless our masters in Brussels agree.

 

May's plan would do all of that, but rather than accept it you're going to get either Norway or no Brexit at all. 

 

 

[aright]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

Yes. Very nice bow tie.

The advantage of a bow tie is, it doesn't attract the soup of the day.

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

JRM is all mouth and no trousers. When he has been asked questions by people who know their stuff he has just waffled and provaricated.

 

He's an act, not a politician of substance, in the same way borris is.   

 

I watched him a few weeks back debate on the radio (shown on You Tube) with one of the guys from the "three blokes" YT channel, the one who is an international trade professional. He began prattling on about WTO terms and how you could alter tariffs ... the usual spiel that goes down well with those with a desire to Brexit but no clue about how trade actually works ... and the guy completely schooled him, and exposed his lack of understanding of how that works and what the unintended consequences would be. Rees Mogg uses a little more knowledge than the average person to reassure Brexit supporters and bat off his critics, but when confronted with someone who understands how things actually work he completely crumbled. His lies and lack of understanding were exposed. 

 

[vinny41]

9 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

You completely ignore the point made and spend your time fishing out links about something completely unrelated? The point was about yet another example of how Brexit voters have shot themselves and fellow citizens in the foot economically. It wasn't about Japanese immigration policies. 

I find it ironic that Japan wants the UK to have FOM to support their companies based in the uk while maintaining an extremely restrictive immigration policy in their own country

 

 

[AlexRich]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

 

 

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

I find it ironic that Japan wants the UK to have FOM to support their companies based in the uk while maintaining an extremely restrictive immigration policy in their own country

 

 

Again, you miss the point completely. Abe advised the UK not to leave the EU without a deal, he was warning against falling into WTO terms. He was not criticising May's deal, which would end freedom of movement. 

[nontabury]

3 hours ago, Stupooey said:

 

This leaflet was just a piece of Tory propaganda, issued by the then (since superseded) Government. It could be taken with a pinch of salt....only it wasn't. It was like a red rag to a bull for many voters in the deprived areas of the Country, who have never forgiven the Tories for destroying their communities in the 1980s. The Brexit vote was not decided in the UKIP heartlands of Frinton-on-Sea and Skegness, it was in the traditional Labour constituencies (97% of whom had returned Pro-Remain MPs in the General Election one year earlier), whose voters delivered a resounding anti-Tory vote rather than an anti-EU one.

As a matter of interest,is’t it true that since the 2016 referendum, we have also had a General Election. Where the two largest parties gained the vast majority of the votes,on a platform of exiting the hated E.u.

 

 

[nontabury]

4 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Indeed, you asked 

 

 That when asked for an example  you refuse to give even one example from the lies of so called 'Project Fear' mean that you accept that there were none?

 

Addendum; got to go now, so you've plenty of time to come up with an example.

In the lead up to the referendum, we were bombarded with propaganda from the remainers, all prophesying doom and gloom to Armageddon.

Now we are witnessing part two, unfortunately for the E.U stoogies, the population can see straight through them.

 

 

[vinny41]

13 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

 

Again, you miss the point completely. Abe advised the UK not to leave the EU without a deal, he was warning against falling into WTO terms. He was not criticising May's deal, which would end freedom of movement. 

And you are missing the point thats Japan preferred option is for the UK to remain in the EU with FOM yet that is something that the japanese people will never accept in their own country 

[nontabury]

3 hours ago, Stupooey said:

 

This leaflet was just a piece of Tory propaganda, issued by the then (since superseded) Government. It could be taken with a pinch of salt....only it wasn't. It was like a red rag to a bull for many voters in the deprived areas of the Country, who have never forgiven the Tories for destroying their communities in the 1980s. The Brexit vote was not decided in the UKIP heartlands of Frinton-on-Sea and Skegness, it was in the traditional Labour constituencies (97% of whom had returned Pro-Remain MPs in the General Election one year earlier), whose voters delivered a resounding anti-Tory vote rather than an anti-EU one.

They voted in the previouse election on completely different issues,from that put forward at the referendum. And as I‘ve mentioned previously,some of those remain supporting Labour M.P’s are now pushing the Brexit cause. Caroline Flint the Labour M.P for Donn Valley. Is one example. And beleive me as an ex resident of that area, it takes a great deal to sway those people to vote against Labour recommendations.

 

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

And you are missing the point thats Japan preferred option is for the UK to remain in the EU with FOM yet that is something that the japanese people will never accept in their own country 

 

Not because of freedom of movement, because it is important for their supply chains, as they employ people locally in the UK. The single market and customs union gives them tariff free access to Europe and allows them to engage in just in time production. They don't need freedom of movement, and I suspect don't much care whether we have it or not. Japanese companies do not need continental labour. Your point is nonsensical.