Man arrested after suspected parliament attack named as Salih Khater - source

[Scott]

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[klauskunkel]

17 hours ago, webfact said:

a British citizen who had originally come from another country

I see a new quiz-show format: Guess The Perp's Country

a) Canada

b) Denmark

c) Lichtenstein

d) Sudan

[Cory1848]

16 hours ago, sweatalot said:

... as he obviously belongs to a group with high likelihood of terrorism ...

No, he doesn’t. Most Sudanese (and Muslims) in the UK (and elsewhere) are not terrorists; I assume that British law enforcement will sort out whatever this fellow’s problem is. No “group” is any more or less capable of terrorism than any other. Don’t forget, the British themselves spent several hundred years sending armed forces overseas to countries where they weren’t invited, primarily for the economic benefit of Great Britain, committing countless acts of terrorism along the way. Look up “Jallianwala Bagh” for starters. Sure, British colonialism provided some benefits for colonized countries as well, but likewise most Muslim communities in the UK contribute positively to society.

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

No, he doesn’t. Most Sudanese (and Muslims) in the UK (and elsewhere) are not terrorists; I assume that British law enforcement will sort out whatever this fellow’s problem is. No “group” is any more or less capable of terrorism than any other. Don’t forget, the British themselves spent several hundred years sending armed forces overseas to countries where they weren’t invited, primarily for the economic benefit of Great Britain, committing countless acts of terrorism along the way. Look up “Jallianwala Bagh” for starters. Sure, British colonialism provided some benefits for colonized countries as well, but likewise most Muslim communities in the UK contribute positively to society.

Are you saying I should be held responsible for actions of my forefathers 400 years ago, I am sorry but I refuse to take responibility for something I had nothing to do with nor should my country suffer because of your reasoning. Should the French suffer because they invaded us in 1066?

[Spidey]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

Should the French suffer because they invaded us in 1066?

Absolutely, and we've made them pay for it many times. Have you forgotten Agincourt?

[Cory1848]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

Are you saying I should be held responsible for actions of my forefathers 400 years ago, I am sorry but I refuse to take responibility for something I had nothing to do with nor should my country suffer because of your reasoning. Should the French suffer because they invaded us in 1066?

Of course not. (Although I'm an American, and acts of terror committed by my country overseas are ongoing today). I'm saying this: should the terrorist actions of a few Muslim individuals in the UK be reason to condemn the entire community of Muslims in the UK, as the poster I was responding to seemed to imply?

[Aussieroaming]

18 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

a.k.a. a Sudanese with a (too easy to get nowadays) British passport. 

Unless you are Thai or other foreigner married to a Brit.

[overherebc]

14 hours ago, lungbing said:

A refugee from the fighting in Sudan.  That country had it's usual African civil war and split into two countries.  Sudan and South-Sudan.  Now South-Sudan is having a civil war.  So what's next, North South-Sudan and South South-Sudan, or maybe East South-Sudan and West South-Sudan for a change.

Send them back on arrival.

Manchester against Birmingham?????

[vogie]

24 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Absolutely, and we've made them pay for it many times. Have you forgotten Agincourt?

I believe we were playing away that day, good 3 points though.

[My Thai Life]

55 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

Most Sudanese (and Muslims) in the UK (and elsewhere) are not terrorists

True, but most terrorist acts in the UK and Europe in the last 40 years have been perpetrated by muslims.

 

And the terrorists claim their acts are mandated by their "religion".

[Cory1848]

19 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

True, but most terrorist acts in the UK and Europe in the last 40 years have been perpetrated by muslims.

 

And the terrorists claim their acts are mandated by their "religion".

Yes, I think the numbers bear that out in Europe (although it’s not the case in the United States) -- and the fact that the Muslim religion is used to justify acts of violence is indeed something that Muslims themselves should reflect on and speak out against (some are admittedly better at that than others!). I’m only saying that individuals should be judged on their own merits and not on what their name sounds like or what “group” they’re assumed to belong to.

 

[My Thai Life]

5 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

Yes, I think the numbers bear that out in Europe (although it’s not the case in the United States)

I agree with you completely on this. I have frequently expressed the view that muslim immigration into the US is very different from muslim immigration into the UK and Europe.

 

Another major difference is that the USA is a nation of immigrants. But the UK isn't. 

[Spidey]

25 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

True, but most terrorist acts in the UK and Europe in the last 40 years have been perpetrated by muslims.

In the last 20 years, yes. In the last 40 years no. Between 20 and 40 years ago. Many despicable acts of mass murder committed by both the IRA and Basque terrorists.

 

Omagh bombing, 20 years ago yesterday. 29 innocents dead.

[Spidey]

2 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Another major difference is that the USA is a nation of immigrants. But the UK isn't. 

Probably more native Americans living in the US today than there are Druids living in the UK.

[My Thai Life]

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

In the last 20 years, yes. In the last 40 years no. Between 20 and 40 years ago. Many despicable acts of mass murder committed by both the IRA and Basque terrorists.

I agree in principle, but I'm not going to go through the archives to check the stats ?

 

The IRA and the Basques had as their political goal the freedom or independence of what they considered to be their homeland. Please don't read this as me suporting their terrorism in any way, which  I do not.

 

The muslim terrorists don't need a political goal, as terrorism is mandated by their "religion", or so they say.

[My Thai Life]

15 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Probably more native Americans living in the US today than there are Druids living in the UK.

? hmm actually I am a Druid. The Romans came to my country about 2,000 years ago. The Anglo-Saxons about 1,500 years ago, the Normans about 1,000 years ago. Together we make the ethnic British.

 

 

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Cory1848 said:

No, he doesn’t. Most Sudanese (and Muslims) in the UK (and elsewhere) are not terrorists; I assume that British law enforcement will sort out whatever this fellow’s problem is. No “group” is any more or less capable of terrorism than any other. Don’t forget, the British themselves spent several hundred years sending armed forces overseas to countries where they weren’t invited, primarily for the economic benefit of Great Britain, committing countless acts of terrorism along the way. Look up “Jallianwala Bagh” for starters. Sure, British colonialism provided some benefits for colonized countries as well, but likewise most Muslim communities in the UK contribute positively to society.

Many Islamist terror attackers claim they are in revenge for the pain suffered in their countries due to Western military, albeit claimed collateral, killing of civilians. However, hypocrisy is at the core of Islamist Salafi ideology as the vast majority of Islamist murders are of their fellow Muslim civilians which is  proscribed in the Koran.

 

Among other causes ISIS and other Islamist Salafi terror groups aim for the overthrow of corrupt Muslim dictators. The Sykes-Picot Agreement and establishment of the State of Israel are examples of other grievances.

 

Right now it is estimated that there are still 20k - 30k armed members of IS in Syria, Iraq and elsewhere, so no quick resolution for the IS threat and other Islamist Salafi groups. I have read estimates the Islamist terror threat to the West will likely be around for at least another 50 years or so.

[metisdead]

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[Jonmarleesco]

A truly authentic British name.

[Jonmarleesco]

21 hours ago, webfact said:

a British citizen who had originally come from another country, was arrested on Tuesday 

A Sudanese by the name of Khater. What's so difficult about saying that?

[Basil B]

21 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

a.k.a. a Sudanese with a (too easy to get nowadays) British passport. 

According to our local news his friends thought he was going to the Sudanese Embassy in London to get a Visa to visit his home country... surely one should have the right to return to their home country?

Also I believe that refugees should not be able to apply for British Nationality for at least 15 years and only then if the can demonstrate they have no criminal convictions and have contributed to the British society.

And why if he feels it safe to visit his home country has he and others not been repatriated, after the civil war is not the Sudan in need of well educated and skilled workers?

Hope that if he gets anything shorter than indefinite life his British Nationality is rescinded and he is deported. 

[CG1 Blue]

No, he doesn’t. Most Sudanese (and Muslims) in the UK (and elsewhere) are not terrorists; I assume that British law enforcement will sort out whatever this fellow’s problem is. No “group” is any more or less capable of terrorism than any other. Don’t forget, the British themselves spent several hundred years sending armed forces overseas to countries where they weren’t invited, primarily for the economic benefit of Great Britain, committing countless acts of terrorism along the way. Look up “Jallianwala Bagh” for starters. Sure, British colonialism provided some benefits for colonized countries as well, but likewise most Muslim communities in the UK contribute positively to society.

“most Muslim communities in the UK contribute positively to society”

With all due respect, that’s quite a rose tinted view. I suggest you visit some of those communities. Maybe start off in Rotherham, then Bradford, Tower Hamlets, Luton, Birmingham....the list is long!


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[Grouse]

6 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

No “group” is any more or less capable of terrorism than any other. 

O Lordy; they live amongst us!

 

Tell me, if we shipped out every Muslim from the UK do you think terrorism and abuse of young women would rise or fall?

 

Personally, I think profiling has much to recommend it. How about registering all mosque attendees?

[balo]

Sudan is one of those countries where ISIS have settled down they will try to brainwash any Sudanese into suicide missions etc.

[Grouse]

I think this was an innocent driver.

 

Good night all

 

[metisdead]

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