Is Thaksin putting another nail in Pheu Thai’s coffin?

[webfact]

Is Thaksin putting another nail in Pheu Thai’s coffin?

By Thai PBS Political Desk

 

 

Thaksin Shinawatra’s latest outburst against the Thai military government may come back to haunt him big time. His statements, which sought to uplift Pheu Thai politicians, could be deemed to have violated election laws, which prescribe “dissolution” as the ultimate punishment for political parties influenced by outsiders.

 

While his war cry, issued last week, can give Pheu Thai politicians considerable assurance about financial support, it can also provide legal authorities with another piece of evidence that the party is under the control or influences of the man in Dubai. Considering every key player’s stake in the upcoming election, Thaksin’s vow to “fight to the death” can be extremely unwise.

 

Everyone knows Thaksin’s influential connections with Pheu Thai, but tangible evidence is required for the dissolution penalty to be invoked under the new election laws. Reports about Thaksin’s meetings with the party’s members are piling up, and could potentially be used to establish his “influences” over the party.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/is-thaksin-putting-another-nail-in-pheu-thais-coffin/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2018-08-17

[robblok]

Thanksin is just too arrogant and by doing this it is he himself who will help disband the PTP. The irony of it all, all he has to do is lay low.. but no.. he wont. 

[darksidedog]

Given Pheu Thai have won every election in the last god knows how long, trying to ban them might just be the spark that blows the place up. I think even Prayut would think long and hard before doing something so inflammatory.

[Lungstib]

10 minutes ago, webfact said:

but tangible evidence is required for the dissolution penalty to be invoked under the new election laws

I have always suspected that Pheu Thai would never make it to the next election, that some reason would be found to dissolve the party, most likely over its connections to a convicted felon. The way the present govt has all the judiciary, independent agencies and NLA in its pocket I very much doubt the above statement. What they want they will get. And Thaksin is making it very easy and likely to happen. Their days, and his seem numbered.

[Esso49]

15 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

Given Pheu Thai have won every election in the last god knows how long, trying to ban them might just be the spark that blows the place up. I think even Prayut would think long and hard before doing something so inflammatory.

Are but that is the big questionions isn't it ? Does Prayut actually think about anything himself or just have outbursts of garbage when instructed by others ?   

[scorecard]

29 minutes ago, Lungstib said:

I have always suspected that Pheu Thai would never make it to the next election, that some reason would be found to dissolve the party, most likely over its connections to a convicted felon. The way the present govt has all the judiciary, independent agencies and NLA in its pocket I very much doubt the above statement. What they want they will get. And Thaksin is making it very easy and likely to happen. Their days, and his seem numbered.

And note his statement tn that he will give financial support.

 

Back to yesterday - not politicians, just his salaried keep your mouth shut his paid yes men which under the new and very appropriate laws is a serious offense.

 

 

 

 

[robblok]

32 minutes ago, scorecard said:

And note his statement tn that he will give financial support.

 

Back to yesterday - not politicians, just his salaried keep your mouth shut his paid yes men which under the new and very appropriate laws is a serious offense.

 

 

 

 

Giving financial support.. was that not against the law. How much more do they need to prove that he is influencing politics. 

[robblok]

1 hour ago, darksidedog said:

Given Pheu Thai have won every election in the last god knows how long, trying to ban them might just be the spark that blows the place up. I think even Prayut would think long and hard before doing something so inflammatory.

Maybe yes maybe no.. but a convicted criminal offering financial support is daring them to do so. By not doing it they might be seen as weak. Anyway whatever happens Thaksin is the one who started it. He knows its against the law but he just can't help himself.

[Cadbury]

1 hour ago, darksidedog said:

Given Pheu Thai have won every election in the last god knows how long, trying to ban them might just be the spark that blows the place up. I think even Prayut would think long and hard before doing something so inflammatory.

I agree with your sentiments but thinking long and hard may be a challenge for him. From history I am inclined to believe that being tetchy and irrational would be a more likely response.

[Samui Bodoh]

If Prayut decides to ban the PTP, "evidence" won't matter in the slightest.

 

Or, are you all suggesting that there would be a free and fair investigation by impartial investigators?

 

 

 

 

[robblok]

6 minutes ago, Cadbury said:

I agree with your sentiments but thinking long and hard may be a challenge for him. From history I am inclined to believe that being tetchy and irrational would be a more likely response.

Its not a good thing on one side you got the arrogant Thaksin who flaunts the rules, then on the other side you got the arrogant Prayut. The two of them will collide for sure because they both can't help themselves. 

 

I wonder how many believe Thaksin his vow to fight till the dead.. I mean surely he means the dead of the foot soldiers. I wonder how many of them trust him to be there.. I mean last time he promised to stand shoulder to shoulder when the bullet would fly.. we know how that ended.. Thaksin safe.. his foot-soldiers taking the bullets.  I wonder how many he will sacrifice to get to power (and how many are stupid enough to follow him in a quest like that)

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, Samui Bodoh said:

If Prayut decides to ban the PTP, "evidence" won't matter in the slightest.

 

Or, are you all suggesting that there would be a free and fair investigation by impartial investigators?

 

 

 

 

Are you suggesting he is not the real man in charge then ? I mean even a blind man could see its his party and he is breaking the law. Besides what more proof do they need... countless meetings.. promise of financial support. 

Edited August 17, 2018 by robblok

[sjaak327]

2 hours ago, Lungstib said:

I have always suspected that Pheu Thai would never make it to the next election, that some reason would be found to dissolve the party, most likely over its connections to a convicted felon. The way the present govt has all the judiciary, independent agencies and NLA in its pocket I very much doubt the above statement. What they want they will get. And Thaksin is making it very easy and likely to happen. Their days, and his seem numbered.

Yes, they will get disbanded, and it will happen in such a time frame, that election participation is not possible anymore. The only chance of Prayuth becoming he next PM is to disband PT, and preven it from contesting an election. Whether Thaksin keeps quiet or not, they will find a way. 

[sjaak327]

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

And note his statement tn that he will give financial support.

 

Back to yesterday - not politicians, just his salaried keep your mouth shut his paid yes men which under the new and very appropriate laws is a serious offense.

 

 

 

 

Oh my god, that law is appropriate only because it is being used as an instrument to disband parties that the Junta does not like. If that law was applied fairly and equally to all parties, the next election will have NO SINGLE party contesting. Sometimes I wonder if these people actually have any brains at all. 

[JAG]

It really is academic whatever Thaksin does or doesn't do. As several have said Pheu Thai will be disbanded, at the appropriate time. That time will be sufficiently close to the election being called to prevent a clone emerging. If Thaksin for some reason cannot be blamed don't worry, then they will invent another reason. 

 

The Junta know that in the end, their only hope of "winning" an election is to effectively disenfranchise the North and North East. 

Edited August 17, 2018 by JAG

[sjaak327]

45 minutes ago, JAG said:

It really is academic whatever Thaksin does or doesn't do. As several have said Pheu Thai will be disbanded, at the appropriate time. That time will be sufficiently close to the election being called to prevent a clone emerging. If Thaksin for some reason cannot be blamed don't worry, then they will invent another reason. 

 

The Junta know that in the end, their only hope of "winning" an election is to effectively disenfranchise the North and North East. 

Exactly. Furhter to that, Newin's party should also be disbanded, as Prayuth quite openly wasted tax payer money to buy him and his party. But of course this new law will only be applied to parties hostile to Prayuth. And then to think some posters, applaud this law, how utterly naieve can you possibly be. Blind and deaf, and ignorant all at the same time. 

[Expatthailover]

17 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Given Pheu Thai have won every election in the last god knows how long, trying to ban them might just be the spark that blows the place up. I think even Prayut would think long and hard before doing something so inflammatory.

Easy to win such elections when you have zillions in the bank and a largely dirt poor electorate susceptible to bribes.

[Expatthailover]

14 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

Exactly. Furhter to that, Newin's party should also be disbanded, as Prayuth quite openly wasted tax payer money to buy him and his party. But of course this new law will only be applied to parties hostile to Prayuth. And then to think some posters, applaud this law, how utterly naieve can you possibly be. Blind and deaf, and ignorant all at the same time. 

So to disagree with you we are all blind deaf and ignorant???

So much for democracy and free speech.

[phantomfiddler]

Pheu Thai should have dumped any relationship with Thaksin and any member of his family years ago if they wanted to obtain any respect as a political party. They (Pheu Thai) do have a gripe and a solid following, but it will only be tainted by any connection with the master rip-off artist.

[wombat]

19 hours ago, robblok said:

Thanksin is just too arrogant and by doing this it is he himself who will help disband the PTP. The irony of it all, all he has to do is lay low.. but no.. he wont. 

does he have advisors and do these advisors have a different agenda or is he really a capt savahoe by himself on a white charger?

[robblok]

16 hours ago, JAG said:

It really is academic whatever Thaksin does or doesn't do. As several have said Pheu Thai will be disbanded, at the appropriate time. That time will be sufficiently close to the election being called to prevent a clone emerging. If Thaksin for some reason cannot be blamed don't worry, then they will invent another reason. 

 

The Junta know that in the end, their only hope of "winning" an election is to effectively disenfranchise the North and North East. 

That is the same excuse as you guys made about the coup. Saying the coup would happen anyway while I argue.. sure but it would have had a lot less support, now the same applies for disbanding the PTP it might happen anyway but there is no need for Thaksin helping them a hand. Its actually in all the papers that they are saying its a stupid move of Thaksin. Why is it so hard to condemn the guy for his stupidity. He is breaking the rules after all and if he did it hidden so be it... but no he is flaunting it and making the junta react. When will you guys ever accept that Thaksin is part of the problem. 

[robblok]

15 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

Exactly. Furhter to that, Newin's party should also be disbanded, as Prayuth quite openly wasted tax payer money to buy him and his party. But of course this new law will only be applied to parties hostile to Prayuth. And then to think some posters, applaud this law, how utterly naieve can you possibly be. Blind and deaf, and ignorant all at the same time. 

Sure Sjaak, 

 

If we don't agree with you we are blind deaf and ignorant.. great way to have  a debate. I thought you did not like the junta you certainly act like them.

 

Its quite simple in other countries convicted criminals are not allowed to influence politics or have their political parties why should it be different here. Finally its set into a law. I applaud this because what is the point of banning people for corruption from politics if they can evade that and run a party from abroad. Its just skirting the laws that were in place already. Now the loophole is closed.

 

All Thaksin had to do is lay low.. its his own arrogance that will cause the PTP to be disbanded and I don't want to see them disbanded I want to see them run is this election. I find it strange how none of your side ever place any blame at Thaksin.. the so called master strategist... 

Edited August 18, 2018 by robblok

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, wombat said:

does he have advisors and do these advisors have a different agenda or is he really a capt savahoe by himself on a white charger?

Thaksin like Prayut just has ego problems and that is what bringing the PTP down. First the amnesty that brought people on the streets now this.. and still people are defending his actions never placing any blame at their hero's feet. Its strange.

[connda]

20 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Given Pheu Thai have won every election in the last god knows how long, trying to ban them might just be the spark that blows the place up. I think even Prayut would think long and hard before doing something so inflammatory.

Agreed - ban the Pheu Thai combined with putting the thumb screws to a generation of Thai students, including university students, will simple galvanize public sentiment against a military junta whose main interests seem to be wielding authoritarian power and remaining in power indefinitely.

[Media1]

21 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Given Pheu Thai have won every election in the last god knows how long, trying to ban them might just be the spark that blows the place up. I think even Prayut would think long and hard before doing something so inflammatory.

Prayut will be remembered as a min achiever and deceiver. Thais would vote for Thaksin tomorrow 

Edited August 18, 2018 by Media1

[nahkit]

3 hours ago, Expatthailover said:

So to disagree with you we are all blind deaf and ignorant???

So much for democracy and free speech.

The writer expressed an opinion when he described those who disagree with him as blind, deaf and ignorant.

 

Nowhere did he deny anyone the right to free speech.

 

Get over yourself.

[tagalong]

How many Thaksin Shinawatra's political parties av been disbanded because of corruption...Just add another to the list...Hooo Huuumm

[JAG]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Thaksin like Prayut just has ego problems and that is what bringing the PTP down. First the amnesty that brought people on the streets now this.. and still people are defending his actions never placing any blame at their hero's feet. Its strange.

Sorry, which amnesty are we talking about? The one which was proposed to an elected parliament, and subsequently withdrawn by the elected government, or the blanket amnesty granted to themselves by the generals who staged a military coup to forestall an election, and have subsequently ruled as a junta by dictat. You know the ones Roblock, we're currently discussing them banning the main opposition party and you're making out it is Thaksins fault!

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, JAG said:

Sorry, which amnesty are we talking about? The one which was proposed to an elected parliament, and subsequently withdrawn by the elected government, or the blanket amnesty granted to themselves by the generals who staged a military coup to forestall an election, and have subsequently ruled as a junta by dictat. You know the ones Roblock, we're currently discussing them banning the main opposition party and you're making out it is Thaksins fault!

We are talking about the amnesty that brought people on the streets making it easier for the coup to happen. Surely you remember it. I don't say the coup would not have happened.. but without the street protest it would have had far less support. 

 

It is Thaksins fault JAG.. all he needs to do is stay quit and not antagonise them follow the rules.. what does he do the opposite. When they are out to get you .. no need to help them catch you.

 

I am not saying its ALL Thaksins fault I am saying his arrogance is helping the junta making it easier for them to ban his party. All he needs to do is step back. But he wont he puts himself first.

 

I don't want to see the PTP banned.. i want to see them run. I think they are a less evil option at the moment. I prefer them to win the election only because they will be checked more then the junta thus less chance for corruption.

 

However that does not mean i support Thaksin or forgive him his arrogance and stupidity and see that he is only making things worse. Your denying his role in all of this (at least so it seems). 

 

He does not have to hand them all the evidence they need to disband the party. That is exactly what he is doing. 

[Get Real]

23 hours ago, webfact said:

Is Thaksin putting another nail in Pheu Thai’s coffin?

YES! This time it looks like he is switching from nails to a chemical anchor.

Edited August 18, 2018 by Get Real