Big Joke turns his attention to illegal "Tramadol" factory

[Scouse123]

2 hours ago, Thechook said:

What exactly has he done, absolutely nothing.  All his time is taken up with photo ops around the country and abroad.  He doesn't even have time to go to the bathroom in between makeup, hair, wardrobe change and next photograph.  He's a joke and probably never personally conducted an investigation or made an arrest in his life.  What other police officer anywhere in the world does national tours with a large entourage, makeup department and publicity department.

 

I have to say I most definitely agree with this post.

 

18 minutes ago, mikebell said:

He is the only policeman at work in Thailand; crime-busting.  One has to accept it is for self-fame rather than a desire to reduce crime.

 

Let's be honest, that is all the Police in Thailand do. It is rarely to help the public or to reduce crime, it's all about personal ambition and ' face '

 

15 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Quite simply because the regular police are too lazy to get off their collective fat <deleted> and do the job that they're paid for...
So he's got involved..

Does that help?

 

Well, this police officer has an agenda as most on here agree. He has obviously got his eyes on the top job or somewhere very near to it.

 

The Police forces in Thailand are very interchangeable and it is all down to a persons career choices. I have seen detectives become traffic policemen and then switch back after a certain boss has left who they didn't like.

 

Let's be realistic if Big Joke was stepping out of his jurisdiction, somebody would be there to slap him down. Even as a Major General, there are still plenty above him.

[sungod]

17 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Quite simply because the regular police are too lazy to get off their collective fat <deleted> and do the job that they're paid for...
So he's got involved..

Does that help?

No it does not.

 

Does this include chasing down people in the UK who post nasty things about the PM?

 

 

[Wanderer555]

17 hours ago, Ron19 said:

I wish you could have witnessed what it did to my mother.

She was never the same after she received it following an operation.

Sorry to hear your mother had an adverse reaction. Like many medications, it is not perfect with some having difficulty and others finding it beneficial.

 

Personally, I have been 100-150 mg daily for almost 10 years for muscle pain associated with Young Onset Parkinson’s Disease. 

While not stopping the pain 100%, it lowers it to a point that I can function instead of staying in bed all day. 

 

The abuse of this medication gets a lot of media attention, while for millions of responsible patients it is of great benefit. I just hope the media hype and over zealous agencies understand the need for effective pain medications and continue to support those who need it. 

Cheers

[bkk6060]

31 minutes ago, Wanderer555 said:

Sorry to hear your mother had an adverse reaction. Like many medications, it is not perfect with some having difficulty and others finding it beneficial.

 

Personally, I have been 100-150 mg daily for almost 10 years for muscle pain associated with Young Onset Parkinson’s Disease. 

While not stopping the pain 100%, it lowers it to a point that I can function instead of staying in bed all day. 

 

The abuse of this medication gets a lot of media attention, while for millions of responsible patients it is of great benefit. I just hope the media hype and over zealous agencies understand the need for effective pain medications and continue to support those who need it. 

Cheers

I agree but I bet this like most buzz drugs, have more that are abusing it then are legit.

Like all the pothead skate boarders and snow boarders in the US who claimed medical issues to get their weed.

Cambodia is still very liberal with their over the counters we will see what Thailand does.

[buick]

alot of people can take the 'lower power' opiates (like tramadol and vicodin) and not get addicted.  we always read about the addicts because they are in trouble and make the news.  the people that take them and have no problems don't make the news.  in my 20's and 30's, about a dozen of us used to take a vicodin (sometimes half a vicodin) and drink 4-6 beers.  it was a fun high.  we are now in our 50's (none of us are doing that now) and one person in the group got addicted to opiates, he died of a heroin overdose (we think it was really a suicide but still, he died due to his addiction).  he was 42 when he died.  he was addicted almost immediately and managed to survive for 20 years as an addict.  i'm not suggesting 1 out of 12 is the chance of addiction but my experience provides a data point.

 

what worries me these days is fentanyl.  who knows what is in the tramadol being sold in pharmacies in thailand.  one microgram too much of fentanyl might kill you and it wouldn't surprise me if fake tramadol (really fentanyl) was being supplied to the pharmacies.  one microgram might be okay, but if the guy making the pills happened to put two micrograms in there, that could result in death.  fentanyl is very powerful in tiny doses. 

Edited August 19, 2018 by buick

[buick]

here is an article that provides some insight into how fentanyl is being used in other drugs, it is really cheap so drug dealers will mix in some fentanyl rather than the drug people are seeking.

 

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Deaths-from-illegal-opioid-fentanyl-surge-to-12942119.php

 

 

[jenny2017]

23 hours ago, overherebc said:

Back street factories with no licence to produce and let's imagine the level of hygiene and quality control.

Hey Boss, we're nearly out of base powder.

OK, nip down to the local market and get as much cheap flour and talcum powder as you can.

Or buy some cheap Fentanyl from China and get the guys hooked up. 

[akirasan]

6 hours ago, AYJAYDEE said:

define misuse

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+does+misuse+mean

[AYJAYDEE]

7 minutes ago, akirasan said:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+does+misuse+mean

you obviously know little about the theories of addiction

 

[overherebc]

27 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

Or buy some cheap Fentanyl from China and get the guys hooked up. 

There is one report from USA 

( Jackson Miss' ) of vaping oil being laced with Fentanyl.

Vape High Die.

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, buick said:

alot of people can take the 'lower power' opiates (like tramadol and vicodin) and not get addicted.  we always read about the addicts because they are in trouble and make the news.  the people that take them and have no problems don't make the news.  in my 20's and 30's, about a dozen of us used to take a vicodin (sometimes half a vicodin) and drink 4-6 beers.  it was a fun high.  we are now in our 50's (none of us are doing that now) and one person in the group got addicted to opiates, he died of a heroin overdose (we think it was really a suicide but still, he died due to his addiction).  he was 42 when he died.  he was addicted almost immediately and managed to survive for 20 years as an addict.  i'm not suggesting 1 out of 12 is the chance of addiction but my experience provides a data point.

 

what worries me these days is fentanyl.  who knows what is in the tramadol being sold in pharmacies in thailand.  one microgram too much of fentanyl might kill you and it wouldn't surprise me if fake tramadol (really fentanyl) was being supplied to the pharmacies.  one microgram might be okay, but if the guy making the pills happened to put two micrograms in there, that could result in death.  fentanyl is very powerful in tiny doses. 

If produced by a registered licenced and controlled company where's the problem.

Back street factory no audits no control no hygiene where isn't the problem????

The arguement isn't the fact that the legally and carefully produced drug helps people.

It's the illegal and uncontrolled production that is the problem.

Edited August 19, 2018 by overherebc

[from the home of CC]

It would be interesting to see what would happen if Thailand declared alcohol illegal judging from what I've read on this thread concerning pain meds. I can just see the tens of thousands of the 'self righteous' scrambling to get on the hypocrite train out of the country. When I worked in the M.E. I couldn't believe how many people had stills, risking imprisonment just so they could 'sorted' during their time off. To paraphrase, glass houses and stones don't mix.

[hobz]

18 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Probably because they knew the 50mg. are the Thai brand which in fact are being manfactured by the illegal factories.

Although cheaper, my experience is those pills made me sleepy.  More like a Valium reaction.

 

The 37.5 are imported and actually work like Tramadol should relieving pain.

 

The 100 mg. are also imported.  They work on a slow release.  Usually over 200 b for 10 pills.

You are the right track except the "fake" pills are actually real and don't make people sleepy. I think u had bad luck with some antihistamine instead of tramadol.

 

I think the slow release pills are less prone to abuse and thus still "legal".

 

[hobz]

11 hours ago, overherebc said:

If produced by a registered licenced and controlled company where's the problem.

Back street factory no audits no control no hygiene where isn't the problem????

The arguement isn't the fact that the legally and carefully produced drug helps people.

It's the illegal and uncontrolled production that is the problem.

Exactly.

Better to legalize and control / license / certify everything than try to push stuff further underground and thus risk increase for everyone. 

 

[hobz]

13 hours ago, AYJAYDEE said:

you obviously know little about the theories of addiction

 

Addiction itself is not a huge problem unless it causes harm.

For many people addiction to pain meds solves bigger problems than they cause.

Price is part of the equation. If a drug is illegal, it's price goes up, this means that the addiction for some becomes a bigger problem than if price was lower.

The random quality when something goes to the black market is also a problem. 

It has been shown in research that when a positive outcome is not certain, the addicts mind somehow craves it more.

 

Let's mention tainted drugs too. Dangerous.

 

Many of the addicts problems are created by the laws that are supposedly put in place to make their problems go away.

 

Anyway, if ppl in 2018 havent realized this yet I don't think they ever will.  

 

[buick]

On 8/18/2018 at 10:55 PM, overherebc said:

If produced by a registered licenced and controlled company where's the problem.

Back street factory no audits no control no hygiene where isn't the problem????

The arguement isn't the fact that the legally and carefully produced drug helps people.

It's the illegal and uncontrolled production that is the problem.

i agree completely.  the issue in thailand is many pharmacies sell tramadol and i wouldn't be confident of their supplier.  it could easily be the 'back street factory'.  if the pharmacy is inside a major medical facility, like bumrungrad in bangkok or a major hospital in smaller cities in isaan, it should be okay.  i can name several pharmacy locations along sukhumvit rd in bangkok that regularly sell tramadol to tourists.  where is it made ?  no one knows except the guy in the pharmacy.

 

 

[DrTuner]

On 8/19/2018 at 7:05 AM, colinneil said:

Tramadol addictive nonsense, i took tramadol for over 4 years, until 29th october last year.

I just got tired of taking them everyday, so i just stopped, no problems what so ever.

All this about things being addictive is in some peoples minds.

I took tramadol to help with the pains i was getting everyday, still get pain but i have learned to live with it.

To me it seems some people are genetically predisposed to addictions. I've known one who got addicted on things like chocolate cookies, up to a point of becoming morbidly obese. Something to do with the brain not being wired with correct gauge wires.

[overherebc]

15 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

To me it seems some people are genetically predisposed to addictions. I've known one who got addicted on things like chocolate cookies, up to a point of becoming morbidly obese. Something to do with the brain not being wired with correct gauge wires.

I worked with a guy in Norway who claimed and appeared to be hooked on paracetamol? a few years ago. Reckoned he couldn't sleep if he didn't have them. For me that's a head not a physical addiction.

[Small Joke]

On 8/18/2018 at 11:23 AM, Oziex1 said:

Most of us believe right or wrong that profitable crime is sanctioned by the Thai authorities, weather they are getting brown envelopes or simply turning a blind eye while the big men go about their business.

 

Seems remarkable to me that this guy can close down so many scams without being called off.

He is quite openly trying to get the top cops job, which is vacant soon. 

And he goes after extremely low-hanging fruit. Overstayers and Sukhumvit Nigerians,  rave parties,  and two bit fake tramadol factories. Meh. 

[Wanderer555]

On 8/20/2018 at 2:57 PM, buick said:

i agree completely.  the issue in thailand is many pharmacies sell tramadol and i wouldn't be confident of their supplier.  it could easily be the 'back street factory'.  if the pharmacy is inside a major medical facility, like bumrungrad in bangkok or a major hospital in smaller cities in isaan, it should be okay.  i can name several pharmacy locations along sukhumvit rd in bangkok that regularly sell tramadol to tourists.  where is it made ?  no one knows except the guy in the pharmacy.

 

 

I completely agree with you about using a proper supplier. I go to AEK Udon Thani and my specialist there prescribes a 2 month supply of  medications ( pain & parkinsons).

I am very happy with their level of care and professionalism. 

Cheers