After demos, far-right AfD overtakes German Social Democrats

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After demos, far-right AfD overtakes German Social Democrats

 

Germany's anti-immigration party Alternative for Germany (AfD) co-leader Joerg Meuthen delivers a speech at the traditional Gillamoos festival in Abensberg, Germany, September 3, 2018. REUTERS/Andreas Gebert

 

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany's far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) has overtaken the centre-left Social Democrats (SPD), a poll showed on Tuesday, days after some of the most violent protests by radical right-wingers the country has seen in decades.

 

Some 6,000 supporters of the AfD and anti-Islam PEGIDA joined protests in the eastern city of Chemnitz on Saturday, following other demonstrations last week, after a fatal stabbing on Aug. 26. Two immigrants were arrested for the killing.

 

An INSA opinion poll on Tuesday put the AfD up half a percentage point at 17 percent, with the SPD, who share power with Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives, slipping by the same amount to 16 percent. Merkel's conservative bloc was on 28.5 percent.

 

Germany's next electoral test comes on Oct. 14 when Merkel's Bavarian allies face a major challenge from the AfD for state government.

 

The AfD, the third-biggest party in last year's election and the main opposition, seized on the killing of a 35-year old German in Chemnitz and the subsequent arrests of a Syrian and Iraqi to ramp up criticism of Merkel's open-door asylum policy.

 

Prosecutors said on Tuesday they were looking for a third suspect and Der Spiegel reported there was some doubt about the identity of the two already under arrest.

 

Merkel, who has been criticised for remaining largely silent during days of protests, plans to visit the city, a spokesman said. No date for the visit has been set.

 

Images showed skinheads at last week's protests chasing migrants through the streets, hurling bottles and fireworks, and making Nazi salutes, illegal in Germany.

 

Calls have mounted for the domestic intelligence agency to place the AfD under surveillance.

 

Bjoern Hoecke, an AfD leader from the state of Thuringia who has criticised Germany's main memorial to the victims of the Holocaust as a "monument of shame" and wants Germany to re-write its history books, took part in Saturday's march in Chemnitz.

 

In a show of resistance, some 65,000 people attended a rock concert "against xenophobia" on Monday night in Chemnitz, given by mostly left-leaning groups.

 

(Reporting by Madeline Chambers and Andreas Rinke; editing by Peter Graff and Rosalba O'Brien)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-09-05

[canuckamuck]

Go German nationalists, take your country back!

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Go German nationalists, take your country back!

Back to the 1930s and all that followed?!

[sweatalot]

congratulations. Next goal overtake CDU and dismiss merkel

[sweatalot]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Back to the 1930s and all that followed?!

When the media say they are Nazis it must be true?

Who else is caring about German people?

Nationalism is not nazi. Every healthy people have some nationalism.

It is a healthy feeling coming right after love and care for the family

Edited September 5, 2018 by sweatalot

[simple1]

41 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

When the media say they are Nazis it must be true?

Who else is caring about German people?

Nationalism is not nazi. Every healthy people have some nationalism.

It is a healthy feeling coming right after love and care for the family

People giving Nazi salutes and chanting Nazi era slogans are not neo Nazis - OK, makes sense - LOL.

 

Following their origins the majority of anti Semitic activities in today's Germany originate from the Far Right, but NO, No, you say, MSM is lying, they are patriotic nationalist Germans. Some members of this forum cheer on these vile people - <deleted>.

 

According to figures from the government, 401 such crimes were reported in the first half of the year, a rise of more than 10 percentage points. Most of the offences — 349 — had a far-right motive. Twelve of the 401 were classed as violent crimes.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/anti-semitic-germany-jewish-crimes-on-the-rise/

 

And...

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-antisemitism/germanys-far-right-afd-helping-make-anti-semitism-presentable-official-idUSKBN1I42BP

Edited September 5, 2018 by simple1

[welovesundaysatspace]

50 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

When the media say they are Nazis it must be true?

If you don’t want to be called a nation, don’t be one. Easy. 

 

50 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

Who else is caring about German people?

Why would anyone care about German people? Care about your dog or your mother. 

 

50 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

Nationalism is not nazi. Every healthy people have some nationalism.

Please enlighten us how nationalism is related to health. Wondering what credible sources you have for that nonsense. 

 

50 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

It is a healthy feeling coming right after love and care for the family

No, it comes from hatred and emotional instability. That’s why those people need a scapegoat. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Go German nationalists, take your country back!

It always puzzled me why National Socialists are defined to be right wing party? 

 

They are far and most left wing party with national socialist agenda.

 

 

[sweatalot]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Why would anyone care about German people? Care about your dog or your mother. 

you serious? It should be the job of the government and the goal of the politicians to care for THEIR people.
 

 

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Please enlighten us how nationalism is related to health. Wondering what credible sources you have for that nonsense

Health is not only health of the body. It includes also psychologic and social wellbeing.

Nationalism... first lets get a proper definition:

Nationalism is a feeling of togetherness and appreciation among people of the same culture and language who are normally living in the same political construct = nation. It does not include hate or hostility but it includes the intention to stay together as that culture in that specific nation, and to keep their identity. It is very often misunderstood (by you e.g.) that's why  many try to avoid that word.

 

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

..  it (nationalism) comes from hatred and emotional instability.  

see above

Edited September 5, 2018 by sweatalot

[welovesundaysatspace]

32 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

you serious? It should be the job of the government and the goal of the politicians to care for THEIR people.

Not sure if you’ve ever lived in Germany, but life there is pretty good. Nothing much to complain about as long as you avoid those neo-nazis. Can’t say that the government isn’t taking care of its people (not less than other governments or politicians in general). 

 

32 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

Health is not only health of the body. It includes also psychologic and social wellbeing.

Nationalism...

Your claim was that “Every healthy people have some nationalism” (sic). I call that bullshit. No one needs nationalism to be healthy. People can be healthy in an international, multicultural environment.

 

 

 

 

[UnkleGoooose]

Some much needed good news for the Germans. Let's hope they are smart enough to understand.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, oilinki said:

It always puzzled me why National Socialists are defined to be right wing party? 

 

They are far and most left wing party with national socialist agenda.

 

Common thought process, but dare I say incorrect. Read the articulate and IMO accurate link below.

 

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

[Ron19]

An off topic post and answer to it have been removed.

[nauseus]

On 9/5/2018 at 3:38 PM, welovesundaysatspace said:

Not sure if you’ve ever lived in Germany, but life there is pretty good. Nothing much to complain about as long as you avoid those neo-nazis. Can’t say that the government isn’t taking care of its people (not less than other governments or politicians in general). 

 

Your claim was that “Every healthy people have some nationalism” (sic). I call that bullshit. No one needs nationalism to be healthy. People can be healthy in an international, multicultural environment.

 

 

 

 

The problem, evidently, is that the government is not taking care of its people. 

Edited September 6, 2018 by nauseus

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The problem, evidently, is that the government is not taking care of its people. 

And that is based on what? Few social security losers (the leftist alt-right) complaining that foreigners take their social benefits and work.. at the same time?

 

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, oilinki said:

And that is based on what? Few social security losers (the leftist alt-right) complaining that foreigners take their social benefits and work.. at the same time?

 

 

If that was all it was then the problem would be much smaller. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

The problem, evidently, is that the government is not taking care of its people. 

What’s your evidence that makes it “evidently”? Based on my experience of having lived in Germany for quite some years, the country is doing pretty well. Those far-right losers exist everywhere. 

 

https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2018/07/03/na070318-germanys-economic-outlook-in-six-charts

Edited September 6, 2018 by welovesundaysatspace

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 minutes ago, vinegarbase said:

So funny how anyone who doesn't want 3rd world rapists and thugs invading their country they are labeled 'far right'.

There are no “3rd world rapists and thugs invading” a country. And if you don’t want be called far-right, don’t be far-right. A start would be to not defame people as “rapists and thugs”. 

 

3 minutes ago, vinegarbase said:

When you have to deal with stuff like this on a daily basis

You don’t have to deal with that on a daily basis. It’s a lie, and such lies are the standard tactics of the far-right. 

 

3 minutes ago, vinegarbase said:

it is worth proudly bearing the label of 'far right'

Then you belong to the same category as rapists. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

22 minutes ago, vinegarbase said:

You just keep telling yourself that.

I don’t need to tell that myself. I just stick to the facts rather than reading far-right conspiracy theories blogs. 

 

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Real men need to

Cute. 

 

Edited September 6, 2018 by welovesundaysatspace

[Scott]

Posts from unapproved sources removed.  Continue and face a suspension.

 

[anon537687643]

SPD basically believe in open door Germany to anyone From any country .. it (SPD) will eventually be irrelevant unless it can get all the immigrants registered to vote for it, rather what the British Labour Party are hoping to do, matched with its anti Semitism!

 

 

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[nauseus]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

What’s your evidence that makes it “evidently”? Based on my experience of having lived in Germany for quite some years, the country is doing pretty well. Those far-right losers exist everywhere. 

 

https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2018/07/03/na070318-germanys-economic-outlook-in-six-charts

I bet those years are years ago.

[Trouble]

Seems evident to me that not all the people in Germany or the United States, England, France, etc. find it desirable to have their national identity and reasonably homogeneous societies turned into multicultural societies. Many people find it disconcerting to be forced to change their way of life to accommodate an influx of mostly poor, in many cases uneducated migrants who have no desire to accept the ways or become part of the larger indigenous society. Naturally it is going to lead to friction.  It only gets worse when the immigrants come in such numbers that there is no integration and they become a separate society living within a larger society, remain poor and in need of public assistance over taxing the schools, hospitals, housing facilities, etc.  It's just a formula made for conflict.

 

I was in a shopping mall last week in Los Angeles eating in the food court. Almost every restaurant was an ethnic specialty restaurant and at the tables around me it seems like the common theme was that no one was speaking English. It does seem at times this multicultural thing has gone a bit far.  Basically being a native born American in Los Angeles I am now a minority. Not always a great feeling in your own country. I'm stuck with it but I don't necessarily like not having common ideals, background, and thought processes with the people around me.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎9‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 5:40 PM, simple1 said:

People giving Nazi salutes and chanting Nazi era slogans are not neo Nazis - OK, makes sense - LOL.

 

Following their origins the majority of anti Semitic activities in today's Germany originate from the Far Right, but NO, No, you say, MSM is lying, they are patriotic nationalist Germans. Some members of this forum cheer on these vile people - <deleted>.

 

According to figures from the government, 401 such crimes were reported in the first half of the year, a rise of more than 10 percentage points. Most of the offences — 349 — had a far-right motive. Twelve of the 401 were classed as violent crimes.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/anti-semitic-germany-jewish-crimes-on-the-rise/

 

And...

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-antisemitism/germanys-far-right-afd-helping-make-anti-semitism-presentable-official-idUSKBN1I42BP

If neo-Nazis are ascending, it's down entirely to Merkel and her crazy rush to invite huge numbers of people with no cultural affinity to Germany to move in.

She was the one that invited them in; she is responsible for the entirely foreseeable result that followed.

[welovesundaysatspace]

12 hours ago, markaoffy said:

SPD basically believe in open door Germany to anyone From any country

Yet another lie you cannot prove. Utter nonsense. 

 

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

I bet those years are years ago.

2012-2018. The link I posted shows recent data too. But thanks for your useless comment. Truth must be hard for you. 

 

11 hours ago, Trouble said:

Seems evident to me that not all the people in Germany or the United States, England, France, etc. find it desirable to have their national identity and reasonably homogeneous societies turned into multicultural societies.

Yes, certainly every country has its fair share of xenophobic people. 

 

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Many people find it disconcerting to be forced to change their way of life to accommodate an influx of mostly poor, in many cases uneducated migrants who have no desire to accept the ways or become part of the larger indigenous society.

No one needs to change his way of life. And looking at your own fellow countrymen, there are enough poor and uneducated people who have no desire to accept the ways or become part of society either. Treating poor and uneducated people from other countries/cultures differently than those from your own is just racism. 

 

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no one was speaking English. It does seem at times this multicultural thing has gone a bit far.  Basically being a native born American in Los Angeles I am now a minority. Not always a great feeling in your own country.

Did you consider a therapy if people scare you?

 

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I'm stuck with it but I don't necessarily like not having common ideals, background, and thought processes with the people around me.

Im pretty sure you don’t even know what “ideals, background, and thought processes” you have with those people in common because you would never talk to them. So let me share with you a big secret: People are different. What you have in common with them does not depend on their skin color or nationality. In fact, and this might surprise a proud white man like you: even amongst your own countrymen you will find many people you don’t have anything in common with, or who are poor, uneducated, illiterate, and anti-social. Just look at all those neo-nazis, for example. 

 

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If neo-Nazis are ascending, it's down entirely to Merkel and her crazy rush to invite huge numbers of people with no cultural affinity to Germany to move in.

She was the one that invited them in; 

What utter nonsense. Merkel invited no one. Just another poor attempt of the far-right to present their illiterate followers a scapegoat. 

Edited September 7, 2018 by welovesundaysatspace

[nausea]

Oh dear, deja vu. Well, I suppose WW2 guilt can only stretch so far.

[simple1]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If neo-Nazis are ascending, it's down entirely to Merkel and her crazy rush to invite huge numbers of people with no cultural affinity to Germany to move in.

She was the one that invited them in; she is responsible for the entirely foreseeable result that followed.

Read my link. However, Merkel is responsible for the rise of aggression by neo Nazis towards Jews? Nonsense. BTW long overdue to comprehend the asylum seeker flow into Germany, to only blame Merkel is utter nonsense constantly repeated by right wing apologists. Just one aspect of many to comprehend below, next would be the breakdown of the Dublin Arrangement, plus other issues...

 

https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2016-10/angela-merkel-influence-refugees-open-borders-balkan-route

Edited September 7, 2018 by simple1