Big Joke to fly to England to interview teen who claimed rape on Koh Tao

[Sheryl]

Not appropriate.

He has no jurisdiction there and yet appears to expect to interrogate her (which is not appropriate approach to an alleged victim in any case). They mentioned that UK police were not allowed to interview anyone or do other than observe when they came to Thailand for the Kho Tao murders and that Thai police should expect no more than that going to the UK.

Also mentioned his biased approach from day 1 and adversarial attitude towards the alleged victim.

And a number of other points. It is worth reading, lengthy and thoughtful editorial.

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[Esso49]

32 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Not appropriate.

He has no jurisdiction there and yet appears to expect to interrogate her (which is not appropriate approach to an alleged victim in any case). They mentioned that UK police were not allowed to interview anyone or do other than observe when they came to Thailand for the Kho Tao murders and that Thai police should expect no more than that going to the UK.

Also mentioned his biased approach from day 1 and adversarial attitude towards the alleged victim.

And a number of other points. It is worth reading, lengthy and thoughtful editorial.

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Love your factual response and In other words "Big Joke" is exactly that,  nothing but an arrogant big joke.

[frank83628]

Not appropriate.

He has no jurisdiction there and yet appears to expect to interrogate her (which is not appropriate approach to an alleged victim in any case). They mentioned that UK police were not allowed to interview anyone or do other than observe when they came to Thailand for the Kho Tao murders and that Thai police should expect no more than that going to the UK.

Also mentioned his biased approach from day 1 and adversarial attitude towards the alleged victim.

And a number of other points. It is worth reading, lengthy and thoughtful editorial.

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He was not going to arrest her... as far as i can tell he woulf have been following up on her claim and would take a statement from her, exactly what would have happened if she had made the report in thailand...nothing to do with jurisdiction.

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[rkidlad]

10 hours ago, frank83628 said:

He was not going to arrest her... as far as i can tell he woulf have been following up on her claim and would take a statement from her, exactly what would have happened if she had made the report in thailand...nothing to do with jurisdiction.

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Was he not gong to England to arrest her? Wow! That’s a relief. Thanks for enlightening us. 

 

You seem to be confusing the sensitivities of investigating rape with the formalities of investigating an assault or robbery, etc. 

 

He is NOT going to England to investigate or take statements for any reason. He NEVER was going. This is all for show. He can’t even speak English properly, for christ’s sake. 

[newatthis]

12 hours ago, frank83628 said:

He was not going to arrest her... as far as i can tell he woulf have been following up on her claim and would take a statement from her, exactly what would have happened if she had made the report in thailand...nothing to do with jurisdiction.

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The problem is that he was going with his own pre-conceived ideas formed after his tour of Koh Tao. So, instead of being a policeman investigating an alleged offence, he would have been more like a defence lawyer trying to prove the girl a liar. 

[Sheryl]

In addition, interviewing (or, per his stated intentions, "interrogating") is still a police function and not appropriate in a foreign country where he has no jurisdiction.

 

If all he wants is a statement without questioning her that can be obtained from the UK authorities with certified translation and no need for him to travel there. Simply coordinate with UK authorities to obtain the details needed for investigation, if indeed there is any intention to investigate.

 

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[Just Weird]

18 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Not appropriate.

He has no jurisdiction there and yet appears to expect to interrogate her (which is not appropriate approach to an alleged victim in any case). They mentioned that UK police were not allowed to interview anyone or do other than observe when they came to Thailand for the Kho Tao murders and that Thai police should expect no more than that going to the UK.

Also mentioned his biased approach from day 1 and adversarial attitude towards the alleged victim.

And a number of other points. It is worth reading, lengthy and thoughtful editorial.

 

It's not appropriate that the police officer in charge of a case should interview a woman who is making a rape allegation?  Love to know how you work that out.  Are the police expected to believe everything every complainant says without investigation, really?

 

He doesn't need "jurisdiction", all he needs is permission to interview her which is not only appropriate but it is essential in any type of case if the complainant expects to be taken seriously.

 

Whether RTP allowed the British police anything in a different case is irrelevant to this alleged rape and that exact reciprocity should be applied is just the writers opinion, it's not a rule!

 

It's a shame that the alleged victim's lack of credibility from day one and her adversarial attitude towards the RTP wasn't mentioned also.

[Just Weird]

5 hours ago, newatthis said:

The problem is that he was going with his own pre-conceived ideas formed after his tour of Koh Tao. So, instead of being a policeman investigating an alleged offence, he would have been more like a defence lawyer trying to prove the girl a liar. 

"...he would have been more like a defence lawyer trying to prove the girl a liar". 

Perhaps would be justified in this case that makes no sense.

[Just Weird]

3 hours ago, Sheryl said:

In addition, interviewing (or, per his stated intentions, "interrogating") is still a police function and not appropriate in a foreign country where he has no jurisdiction.

 

If all he wants is a statement without questioning her that can be obtained from the UK authorities with certified translation and no need for him to travel there. Simply coordinate with UK authorities to obtain the details needed for investigation, if indeed there is any intention to investigate.

That's not "all that he wants", he wants to interview her, and she has to be interviewed in order for there to be an investigation, regardless of what Thaivisa posters think!

[kwilco]

Basically the idea of fly to UK, shows how completely out of touch Big Joke or hiswearing advisors are.

Once out of Thailand he will be in the full glare of the western press without any of the Thai laws that protect them from criticism.

The police give a string impression of handling this case inteptly and insensitively and any trip outside Thailand is far more likely to have a negative impact over any positive outcomes.

 

 

It is well established that victims of sexual assault are very unlikely to report assaults to anyone,let alone the police and it seems that high rabling police officers in Thailand are completely unaware of this.

This makes one question how suitably trained they are to deal with these sort of cases at all.

 

 

This article in the Nation dhowns how people are seriously concerned about how Thsi police handle cases of sexual assault.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30354904

In common with many other instances it seems that police, rather than concentrate on collated and reporting evidence, see their role in a more judivial sense and try to influence the outcome of events by unconstitutional non police activities.

[kwilco]

19 hours ago, newatthis said:

The problem is that he was going with his own pre-conceived ideas formed after his tour of Koh Tao. So, instead of being a policeman investigating an alleged offence, he would have been more like a defence lawyer trying to prove the girl a liar. 

Absolutely....in many instances it appears that Thai police see their role as going way beyond the role.of police into the world of the judiciary, seeking to find solutions to cases rather than reporting the evidence.

In the West this would be regarded as a serious breach of separation of powers.

[newatthis]

I found this on the Internet. I went looking because of this topic and the other one "Many rape cases stalled.."

It is an interesting read; put together by the Maryland Police Dept [I think].

it opened my eyes and I learnt a lot;

 

Interview_of_Sexual_Assault_Victims (1).pptx

[Oziex1]

Photo op, propaganda exercise. 

 

Would like to see him come up against the realities of Lawyers and the English press.

[Oziex1]

On 9/14/2018 at 2:17 PM, colinneil said:

Big Joke flying to the UK, to interview the girl who he says was not raped!!!!

Why is he going?? If he says no rape took place, so when he said she wasnt raped, he was telling porkies.

Just shows what a useless bugger he is, surely he will lose face if he goes to interview the girl.

He won't lose face as the outcome of the interview will be adjusted to be what he and his KT masters require.

 

Facts will not be allowed to interfere with their grubby propaganda.

[Oziex1]

At the end of the day I don't know why I or the rest of us here get worked up over this guy, we know what he is.

 

Just a propaganda tool for the Junta and it's as popular in Thailand as anywhere else to go after the creepy and evil foreigners, so the Government can show their there to protect you.

[cyberfarang]

Lies, lies and more lies.

 

Another one exposed for making false rape claims:

 

 

 

[kwilco]

12 hours ago, cyberfarang said:

Another one exposed

who is the other?

 

Are you implying this is common?

Edited September 24, 2018 by kwilco

[Kadilo]

2 hours ago, kwilco said:

who is the other?

 

Are you implying this is common?

Yes it’s all part of the “epidemic”

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, Kadilo said:

Yes it’s all part of the “epidemic”

that is a sick and sad reply, you really need to look at yourself...the only epidemic on this thread is misogyny.

[Kadilo]

2 hours ago, kwilco said:

that is a sick and sad reply, you really need to look at yourself...the only epidemic on this thread is misogyny.

You obviously have not been following other threads/comments so Have missed the irony. When you catch up I’ll accept your apology.