webfact Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Prayuth Wants Prompt Prosecution Of Dead Elephant’s Owner By Teeranai Charuvastra, Staff Reporter Body of the elephant was brought to wild life officials in Samut Prakan on Saturday. BANGKOK — Junta chairman Prayuth Chan-ocha urged officials to find out who was responsible for a young elephant that died while being forced to beg on the street, a government spokesman said Monday. The junta chief also encouraged the public to report any beggar elephants in the city to the authorities, spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd told reporters. An official in Surin province, where the 10-year-old animal was from, said he was still unable to identify who owned and leased the elephant to the mahouts. Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2018/09/17/prayuth-wants-prompt-prosecution-of-dead-elephants-owner/ -- © Copyright Khaosod English 2018-09-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 For once i agree with Prayut, find them and prosecute them. Elephants should roam free, not dragged around hungry begging for food, this barbaric nonsense needs stopped NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyphodb Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Leaping on another populist bandwagon for votes... Everyone will agree so perfect for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, webfact said: Junta chairman Prayuth Chan-ocha urged officials to find out who was responsible for a young elephant that died while being forced to beg on the street, a government spokesman said Monday. why should this case be micro-managed ? thailand isn't yet civilized enough that the 'normal' procedures can handle this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I know, it's a bit bad, looking at the pic in the OP, but...low hanging fruits! I wish, he would for ONCE care for really important stuff and not open his mouth and speak warm air into every microphone over absolutely everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I remember 10 years back when there were always elephants wandering around ChiangMai of an evening, begging for bananas. Always enjoyed feeding them (from my barstool). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seajae Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 finally doing something decent, the owner needs to be locked up, the cruelty we see dished out to animals in Thailand is disgusting and open for everyone to see any day of the week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 hours ago, BritManToo said: I remember 10 years back when there were always elephants wandering around ChiangMai of an evening, begging for bananas. Always enjoyed feeding them (from my barstool). So perpetuated the misery of animals that should be relocated back to their natural environment instead of being dragged around city streets a form of income for beggars from idiot tourists !!! Hope you enjoyed your moment of entertainment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, hotchilli said: Hope you enjoyed your moment of entertainment? Yes, I did, many times. I also enjoyed many elephant rides in the jungle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndfdjnd Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, BritManToo said: I also enjoyed many elephant rides in the jungle. I suppose you'll have no problem with me strapping a saddle to your back and mounting you and forcing you to walk all day, should you refuse I'll poke a hole in your ear with a metal hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, BritManToo said: Yes, I did, many times. I also enjoyed many elephant rides in the jungle. I used to feed them when they came up my road and cut through our housing drive in CM. I used to feed them in Bangkok umpteen years ago. I enjoyed it as well and so did my kids. Sounds like big p is being as idiotic as little p the other day regarding the shirts.They both are doing it placing it under nationalism, same as a national security issue. . Old wealth and junta need to turn over for modern Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 hours ago, BritManToo said: I remember 10 years back when there were always elephants wandering around ChiangMai of an evening, begging for bananas. Always enjoyed feeding them (from my barstool). BTW, the good elephants have developed a taste for beer, as well.... Don't be shy next time. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyezhov Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, ndfdjnd said: I suppose you'll have no problem with me strapping a saddle to your back and mounting you and forcing you to walk all day, should you refuse I'll poke a hole in your ear with a metal hook. Ohhhhh...sounds like a hot time Big Boy....bet ya call me... Jumbo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 7 hours ago, BritManToo said: I remember 10 years back when there were always elephants wandering around ChiangMai of an evening, begging for bananas. Always enjoyed feeding them (from my barstool). Yeah same in Bangkok. It was great to see the Elephants everywhere until the western do gooders spoilt everything. ALF, PETA nutters now say we musnt eat shark meat, musnt eat honey due to the exploitation of worker bees! Or wear silk due to the oppression of silk worms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, ndfdjnd said: I suppose you'll have no problem with me strapping a saddle to your back and mounting you and forcing you to walk all day, should you refuse I'll poke a hole in your ear with a metal hook. A bit silly. Elephants are not humans. Elephants are strong enough to wear saddles and carry people. As for holes in ears - many people have pierced ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 hours ago, BritManToo said: Yes, I did, many times. I also enjoyed many elephant rides in the jungle. Me too! I was in Surin for the elephant round up and had a ride. The Mahout was a one legged lady boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 hours ago, hotchilli said: So perpetuated the misery of animals that should be relocated back to their natural environment instead of being dragged around city streets a form of income for beggars from idiot tourists !!! Hope you enjoyed your moment of entertainment? Dragging an elephant round...ha ha. You would have to be strong to do that. Hope you enjoyed your moment of sentimental outrage and virtue signalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyezhov Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 42 minutes ago, The manic said: sentimental outrage and virtue signalling. Bingo. Bingo. That's all it is half of the time here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunderhill Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 How about prompt prosecution for the hole the Elephant went down and while hes at it with his election propaganda vote winning, the ability to pursue the govt for all the horrendous holes in the roads and pavements which cause countless deaths accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esso49 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 This could end up a Jumbo task to do the right thing for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazySlipper Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 16 hours ago, colinneil said: Elephants should roam free, not dragged around hungry begging for food, this barbaric nonsense needs stopped NOW. It is not begging for food for the elephants if I go by what I see here in Rayong. The Mahouts carry sugar canes which they sell to feed as a snack to the elephants. It is actually the mahouts who are begging for food. I don't think sugar canes are enough to feed and elephant for a day's work. Shoot the mahout's as far as I am concerned. I actually prefer small animals and pachyderms to scum like these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomta Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 It would be nice if he called for prompt prosecution for the owners of dead army conscripts too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebell Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I remember sitting on a sidewalk in Jomtien. I was a little tiddly and enjoying a smoke before going home. I looked up and saw a baby elephant waiting on the corner also alone. At first I thought I had the DTs and checked to see if it was pink. As I watched a pick-up pulled up with the back open. The elephant climbed on to the vehicle and it drove off. The driver didn't even get out; close the tail gate or tether the animal. I examine what I was smoking very carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bundooman Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 16 hours ago, BritManToo said: I remember 10 years back when there were always elephants wandering around ChiangMai of an evening, begging for bananas. Always enjoyed feeding them (from my barstool). Bearing in mind the quantity of food an elephant requires daily, to sustain itself and remain healthy and the fact that tarmac or concrete is unsuitable for an elephant to walk upon - how many of those elephants you always saw 10 years ago, are still alive today? An elephant in the wild can live for more that 70 years. The elephant in the picture appears to be quite young? Glad you enjoyed your barstool entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 hours ago, LazySlipper said: It is not begging for food for the elephants if I go by what I see here in Rayong. The Mahouts carry sugar canes which they sell to feed as a snack to the elephants. It is actually the mahouts who are begging for food. I don't think sugar canes are enough to feed and elephant for a day's work. Shoot the mahout's as far as I am concerned. I actually prefer small animals and pachyderms to scum like these guys. Last elephant ride I had (with a 'gf') at Mae Sa elephant show, after the show (good show with elephants painting and playing football, etc.) you could pay extra for an Elephant ride. The elephants that did a ride got paid a couple of kilo of sticky rice at the end, and they really wanted that snack. Can't see any problem with a fair days work for a fair days pay. The elephants live in the jungle when not working in the show, if you go hiking in the jungle you can see them wandering around without any restrictions, they came to the camp when called. Doesn't seem a bad life for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyezhov Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, BritManToo said: Last elephant ride I had (with a 'gf') at Mae Sa elephant show, after the show (good show with elephants painting and playing football, etc.) you could pay extra for an Elephant ride. The elephants that did a ride got paid a couple of kilo of sticky rice at the end, and they really wanted that snack. Can't see any problem with a fair days work for a fair days pay. The elephants live in the jungle when not working in the show, if you go hiking in the jungle you can see them wandering around without any restrictions, they came to the camp when called. Doesn't seem a bad life for them. Some folks take the position that elephants shouldn't work at all. On the other hand, what is the harm to them in working as long as they are treated correctly. Elephants have been domesticated in Asia for thousands of years. the issue is not whether they beg, or amuse tourist, but how they are treated. The world is not always black and white, nor should virtue signaling make policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndfdjnd Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 11 hours ago, The manic said: A bit silly. Elephants are not humans. Elephants are strong enough to wear saddles and carry people. As for holes in ears - many people have pierced ears. Wrong, elephants' spines cannot cope with the strains placed on them by carrying baskets and people. They are not horses. A quick Google search would have garnered you that information. People choose to get their ears pierced, as far as I'm aware elephants aren't asking the man on their back to rip a hole in their ear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndfdjnd Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 hours ago, BritManToo said: Last elephant ride I had (with a 'gf') at Mae Sa elephant show, after the show (good show with elephants painting and playing football, etc.) you could pay extra for an Elephant ride. The elephants that did a ride got paid a couple of kilo of sticky rice at the end, and they really wanted that snack. Can't see any problem with a fair days work for a fair days pay. The elephants live in the jungle when not working in the show, if you go hiking in the jungle you can see them wandering around without any restrictions, they came to the camp when called. Doesn't seem a bad life for them. There's a definite urge to antagonise behind your posts so I'm factoring that into my assessment of you... I'm still drawn to the conclusion that you're an idiot. Abusing vulnerable things - particularly animals and children - is clearly wrong on every level. To domesticate an elephant you have to break its spirit which essentially amounts to many days of depraved torture followed by many years of casual abuse. What mahoots do to these animals is the human-animal equivalent of some of the worst psychopaths in human history. The videos are there for all to see. And it is all forgiven/ignored because it is the culture here. Surin proudly proclaims itself the land of the elephants, even though it doesn't have a single wild elephant. The most important people in Thailand who we can't name, are regularly pictured standing next to elephants dressed up in daft costumes. All of the ignorant tourists in Phuket have an elephant show or ride on their list of things to do in their week in Thailand, because it is presented to them by Thais and legitimised by authorities. It's all so very wrong. Anybody who has seen an elephant in the wild in Khao Yai, Kui Buri, Khao Sok etc, knows that that is where they belong. They want nothing to do with humans. We have plundered their environment and enslaved their children. It's only a matter of time until captive elephant tourism is banned completely, Thailand will be reluctant but international pressure will force their hand, and like the dolphins and killer whales it will gradually be phased out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndfdjnd Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 hours ago, BritManToo said: The elephants that did a ride got paid a couple of kilo of sticky rice at the end, and they really wanted that snack. If you work in child protection you will find that every child who has been subjected to horrific physical and mental abuse will still grab an icecream out of your hand, I'm not sure what that is supposed to prove. All animals have a inherent will to live, a sense of self-preservation, and so they will eat and seek food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 22 minutes ago, ndfdjnd said: To domesticate an elephant you have to break its spirit which essentially amounts to many days of depraved torture followed by many years of casual abuse. I've had horses, dogs and cats and even a house rabbit, never needed any abuse to train them, food and affection always worked. Elephants should be easier as they are 'allegedly' more intelligent. Put you on ignore for being needlessly insulting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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