Tesla's Musk is sued for calling British Thai cave rescuer pedophile

[lamyai3]

53 minutes ago, JeffreyO said:

A diver from England, (and pay attention now because this is the most important part) who NONE of the other divers have come out to defend in this situation.  I'm pretty sure that speaks volumes but hey, you do you.

From the buzzfeed article, both Stanton and Harris vouched for him in glowing terms:

 

"Among Musk’s other claims about Unsworth is that he was not part of the actual dive team in the Thailand cave rescue. While Unsworth did not dive for the mission, media reports and other people who were part of the rescue cited the Brit as instrumental to the effort, as he had previously mapped and explored some of the cave system and recruited some of the divers who went into the cave.

“He may claim to know how to cave dive, but he wasn’t on the cave dive rescue team and most of the actual dive team refused to hang out with him,” Musk wrote in one email.

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescuer-accusations-buzzfeed-email

[JeffreyO]

23 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

From the buzzfeed article, both Stanton and Harris vouched for him in glowing terms:

 

"Among Musk’s other claims about Unsworth is that he was not part of the actual dive team in the Thailand cave rescue. While Unsworth did not dive for the mission, media reports and other people who were part of the rescue cited the Brit as instrumental to the effort, as he had previously mapped and explored some of the cave system and recruited some of the divers who went into the cave.

“He may claim to know how to cave dive, but he wasn’t on the cave dive rescue team and most of the actual dive team refused to hang out with him,” Musk wrote in one email.

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescuer-accusations-buzzfeed-email

Reading through these is a bit of a joke...

“He was pivotal with his knowledge of the cave. [The] rescue wouldn’t have happened without him recommending the Brits were called,” Harris said. <--- no relation.

“Vern seemed like an excellent guy and absolutely vital to the mission,” said Harris, who, with Challen, helped in the sedation of the Thai boys before they were brought out of the cave by the British divers. This seems to be related to a different complaint?

etc. etc. etc.

[lamyai3]

2 minutes ago, JeffreyO said:

Reading through these is a bit of a joke...

“He was pivotal with his knowledge of the cave. [The] rescue wouldn’t have happened without him recommending the Brits were called,” Harris said. <--- no relation.

“Vern seemed like an excellent guy and absolutely vital to the mission,” said Harris, who, with Challen, helped in the sedation of the Thai boys before they were brought out of the cave by the British divers. “You must be confusing him with someone else. <--  Same guy who already lost c

“I've no idea what gave you those concerns about Vern,” Stanton wrote over Facebook Messenger. “They are completely unfounded. He was never kicked off site by anyone and worked continuously on the rescue for the full duration. He was pivotal to the entire operation. <---  This seems to be related to a different complaint?

etc. etc. etc.

You're demolishing your own argument here. You just claimed none of the other divers came out to defend Unsworth from Musk's comments. The article proves this to be completely untrue. 

[JeffreyO]

I'm arguing that none defended him... I should be more specific, none defended him related to Elon Musk's statements.  Show me one that did?

[lamyai3]

1 minute ago, JeffreyO said:

I'm arguing that none defended him... I should be more specific, none defended him related to Elon Musk's statements.  Show me one that did?

I just did. The whole article is referring to Musk's statements. In case you're unaware, Stanton was one of the British divers who was first to reach the boys, and Harris was the Australian anaesthetist. 

[JeffreyO]

Just now, lamyai3 said:

I just did. The whole article is referring to Musk's statements. In case you're unaware, Stanton was one of the British divers who was first to reach the boys, and Harris was the Australian anaesthetist. 

So... none actually defended his responses to Musk?  Interesting.

[lamyai3]

1 minute ago, JeffreyO said:

So... none actually defended his responses to Musk?  Interesting.

His responses to Musk? They defended Unsworth in relation to Musk's statements, which is the argument you were making two posts ago before throwing a tangent. 

[JeffreyO]

1 minute ago, lamyai3 said:

His responses to Musk? They defended Unsworth in relation to Musk's statements, which is the argument you were making two posts ago before throwing a tangent. 

Did you even read your quotes?  they defended him based on his dive response and responses to that, can you give me any post-dive?  

[lamyai3]

Just now, JeffreyO said:

Did you even read your quotes?  they defended him based on his dive response and responses to that, can you give me any post-dive?  

These interviews all took place after Musk's accusations were made. They were all post dive and relating to Musk's accusations that Unsworth was not a key part of the operation. 

[JeffreyO]

1 minute ago, lamyai3 said:

These interviews all took place after Musk's accusations were made. They were all post dive and relating to Musk's accusations that Unsworth was not a key part of the operation. 

Really?  Show me dates/times with valid sources because until then I call nonsense.  I followed the story through and through and I know that what you're saying is wrong.

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and the replies were removed. 

[lamyai3]

1 minute ago, JeffreyO said:

Really?  Show me dates/times with valid sources because until then I call nonsense.  I followed the story through and through and I know that what you're saying is wrong.

Contact the journalist in the buzzfeed article for dates and times. No need though, the quotes make it extremely obvious that the responses are directly in relation to Musk's comments. 

[JeffreyO]

1 minute ago, lamyai3 said:

Contact the journalist in the buzzfeed article for dates and times. No need though, the quotes make it extremely obvious that the responses are directly in relation to Musk's comments. 

Again, you're entirely not giving timelines and misquoting.  Enjoy, Malyai3.  I wonder your biases.  Well, I guess it doesn't matter.  You're likely on the deep end anyways.

[sanemax]

55 minutes ago, JeffreyO said:

Except he wasn't running around shouting "I'm the CEO of the following organizations".  You're assuming people in Thailand know him by name?  More importantly, that Thai people buy Tesla's or will hire SpaceX for anything or hire The Boring Company?  I'm not sure I get what you're trying to get at.

LOL, The tweets were not restricted to Thailand , this is World news .

I had never heard of him before this , and neither had many other people , NOW , he is World famous and so are his Companies  .

[JeffreyO]

Just now, sanemax said:

LOL, The tweets were not restricted to Thailand , this is World news .

I had never heard of him before this , and neither had many other people , NOW , he is World famous and so are his Companies  .

Why do you know who he is?  Why is he world news?  That might be the better question.  If Bill Gates sent a billion dollars, he would be just doing it for publicity?  C'mon...

[lamyai3]

1 minute ago, JeffreyO said:

Again, you're entirely not giving timelines and misquoting.  Enjoy, Malyai3.  I wonder your biases.  Well, I guess it doesn't matter.  You're likely on the deep end anyways.

Your misspelling of my name betrays the lack of attention to detail you seem to be bringing to this whole discussion. Although I've already answered you, here again is Rick Stanton's response to Musk's statement that Unsworth had nothing to do with the operation. Given that Musk's accusations took place well after the rescue was finished, it's quite obvious that all of this is post-dive. 

“I've no idea what gave you those concerns about Vern,” Stanton wrote over Facebook Messenger. “They are completely unfounded. He was never kicked off site by anyone and worked continuously on the rescue for the full duration. He was pivotal to the entire operation.”

[JeffreyO]

1 minute ago, lamyai3 said:

Your misspelling of my name betrays the lack of attention to detail you seem to be bringing to this whole discussion. Although I've already answered you, here again is Rick Stanton's response to Musk's statement that Unsworth had nothing to do with the operation. Given that Musk's accusations took place well after the rescue was finished, it's quite obvious that all of this is post-dive. 

“I've no idea what gave you those concerns about Vern,” Stanton wrote over Facebook Messenger. “They are completely unfounded. He was never kicked off site by anyone and worked continuously on the rescue for the full duration. He was pivotal to the entire operation.”

Me misquoting your name, and naming you a porn star, means I pay no attention to detail?  I think it means the opposite.  Good luck, hombre.

[sanemax]

26 minutes ago, JeffreyO said:

I'm arguing that none defended him... I should be more specific, none defended him related to Elon Musk's statements.  Show me one that did?

How many of the divers have spoken about anything ?

They all kept away from the media , Im sure that they didnt want to get involved , even Vern made no, or little comment about Musks allegations .

   Although none have defended him , none have agreed with the allegations , so, that point is moot 

[JeffreyO]

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

How many of the divers have spoken about anything ?

They all kept away from the media , Im sure that they didnt want to get involved , even Vern made no, or little comment about Musks allegations .

   Although none have defended him , none have agreed with the allegations , so, that point is moot 

Vern told him to shove it up his ass, what do you mean they avoided media?

[lamyai3]

5 minutes ago, JeffreyO said:

Me misquoting your name, and naming you a porn star, means I pay no attention to detail?  I think it means the opposite.  Good luck, hombre.

Sorry, but I'm not sure if you're playing with a full deck at this point. 

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, JeffreyO said:

Why do you know who he is?  Why is he world news?  That might be the better question.  If Bill Gates sent a billion dollars, he would be just doing it for publicity?  C'mon...

Because he was all over the news/media/twitter telling everyone about his submarine and his Boring Company ................and his space mission , that is how I now know about him

   The rescue mission was/is World news , it was reported on in every Country and thus Musk is now World news as well .

[lamyai3]

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Although none have defended him , none have agreed with the allegations , so, that point is moot 

They wisely completely avoided any mention of the pedo comments, given they were so outlandish in the first place. But I was happy to see them vouch for him in the operation. 

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, JeffreyO said:

Vern told him to shove it up his ass, what do you mean they avoided media?

No, he didnt ,he personally tweeted told him to "Stick it where it hurts" (Which could have meant his ego).

  When I said they avoided the media , what I meant was that they avoided the media

[IAMHERE]

This isn't over yet. Musk apologized then came back again. Something changed his mind between the apology and the second blast. We'll probably get a chance to learn that something during court proceedings. 

[sanemax]

4 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

This isn't over yet. Musk apologized then came back again. Something changed his mind between the apology and the second blast. We'll probably get a chance to learn that something during court proceedings. 

His ego, he hated backing down .

He has made a few erratic comments recently , he seems to be on drugs , well he is on drugs

He seems to be going crazy

[Ossy]

1 hour ago, car720 said:

Hah!!!

I have had to shake hands with 4 ex wives as they left with all my money so my life has been turned upside down more often than a pair of panties in a cat house.  

As for thick skin, they don't call me rhino-hide for nothing.  

Nice one! And the 'pair of panties in a cat house' is a new one to me . . . still working on it ?

[HAKAPALITA]

So Battery Boy was seeking publicity, who realy knows. I have noticed that rescuers dont say much, if anything. This old fool criticises someone who has at least heard of Thailand and made an effort, he isn't a "wise old man".Jeez he cold have found hundreds when Companies helped during the Sunami.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Skeptic7]

$75,000 USD is to Musk like 10 baht is to us...NOTHING. He will prob just pay it and move on. The diver should have gone for $1 million...and that doesn't make even a tiny dent in Musk's $20 billion net worth. 

[Fex Bluse]

17 hours ago, eastendanto said:

You have to wonder about Musk's state of mind to get entrenched in something so minuscule to the world he deals with on a daily basis...that said he does seem to be in meltdown with Tesla, alienating the board, his share holders, his car owners....it's as though he's on a self serving suicide mission to wreck the company along with himself

 

I'm not sure. Sometimes the very best, most successful people end up alienating almost everyone else. When you're at the top, like he is, it's not the same popularity contest that regular people engage in. 

 

I feel no desire to kick him just because he's unpopular at the moment. 

[GroveHillWanderer]

13 hours ago, JeffreyO said:

Really?  Show me dates/times with valid sources because until then I call nonsense.  I followed the story through and through and I know that what you're saying is wrong.

If you've followed the whole story through and through, then you must have read the Buzzfeed article since it is the source of Musk's most egregiously libellous comments and provides the basis for the majority of the allegedly false claims referenced in the lawsuit.

 

From that article it is quite clear that the statements from the other divers defending and lauding Unsworth, were in direct response to Musk's email of August 18 (which is shown in full, with the date clearly visible, in the article) since some of their comments are couched in the form of a refutation of Musk's claims in that email.

 

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