Chomper Higgot Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, mauGR1 said: Very true, that's why we have to try to be balanced, and have a look at both sides of the coin. Good. So when other posters make grossly generalised claims attributing the crimes of a minority to the whole, you'll be right at the front of those challenging the generalisations. Welcome on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: Good. So when other posters make grossly generalised claims attributing the crimes of a minority to the whole, you'll be right at the front of those challenging the generalisations. Welcome on board. Challenging silly generalisations is wasting time, i prefer, as i said, trying to understand the reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Good. So when other posters make grossly generalised claims attributing the crimes of a minority to the whole, you'll be right at the front of those challenging the generalisations. Welcome on board. Challenging silly generalisations is wasting time, i prefer, as i said, trying to understand the reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, mauGR1 said: Challenging silly generalisations is wasting time, i prefer, as i said, trying to understand the reasons. Except when the reasons are founded in silly dangerous generalisations - As you well know. Feel free to continue with your 'wet bar or soap' balanced views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron19 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 A racist troll post has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcsmith Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 8:18 AM, lovelomsak said: This is the Swan song. Or to put it another way the last harrah. Germany like the rest of the world will go right in the not to distant future. The times they are a changing. There are too many smart people in the world for that to happen. Sure there are a bunch of lemmings who will seek to blame people for all of their woes, and politicians who will capitalize on that. Not everyone hates blindly. The makeup of the right extremists is primarily old white men. How is that sustainable as those guys die out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 4 hours ago, Destiny1990 said: Meanwhile how many German girls have been sexually assaulted murdered or raped in last 3 years by fake immigrants? How many German guys have been stabbed with knives? i believe in Cologne on news years evening the number was already 700 german girls victimized so i say send them all back. The crime rate in germany has actually gone down. The lowest it's been in https://www.dw.com/en/germany-crime-rate-drops-but-fear-rises/a-43692277 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobaa01 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 32 minutes ago, bristolboy said: The crime rate in germany has actually gone down. The lowest it's been in https://www.dw.com/en/germany-crime-rate-drops-but-fear-rises/a-43692277 what horst seehofer didnt tell political crime or related crimes , terrorism, antisemitism is not included. police criminal stats 2017 found migrant crime rates high in areas theft 31.4%, , rape 15.4 %, bodily heavy injury 15.2... wbr roobaa01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny1990 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 hours ago, bristolboy said: The crime rate in germany has actually gone down. The lowest it's been in https://www.dw.com/en/germany-crime-rate-drops-but-fear-rises/a-43692277 Bottom line they need all go home building up their own country.. If they want to go to Europe then they must apply for a tourist visa same as we need one for Thailand ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marqus12 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 enjoy ... all these Muslims without teeth will stay in Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcsmith Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Destiny1990 said: Bottom line they need all go home building up their own country.. If they want to go to Europe then they must apply for a tourist visa same as we need one for Thailand ! Comparing the situation of someone from a wealthy country who chooses to retire or travel the world getting a visa to someone who is a refugee, coming from a violent and impoverished area is a good illustrates a complete disconnect. Some people hit the lottery when it comes to where they were born, others get a raw deal. This is tribalism. Nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, The manic said: I look forward to the day Signapore welcomes thousands of Africans, Afghanis, Pakistanis, Arabs as you expect Europe to do. Singapore: 720 km2, population 5.7 million. Europe: 102,000 km2, population 743 million. That's more than two orders of magnitude in difference, so let's divide your 'thousands of immigrants' by that factor and we get dozens. I think Singapore can handle dozens of immigrants. Plus, I didn't say what I expect Europe to do, except that I expect a country to take care of any immigrants it accepts. Immigrants are a human capital investment, one that can pay off if managed correctly. Not taking care of immigrants is a stupid waste of productive resources. 12 minutes ago, The manic said: But Signapore never will allow mass uncontrolled migration. Your comment is irrelevant. I have also not advocated for "mass, uncontrolled immigration", and I don't think anyone else here has either. Stop trying to shoot down a position that nobody is taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 23 minutes ago, attrayant said: Europe: 102,000 km2 hmmm... that would be some tiny Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Naam said: hmmm... that would be some tiny Europe. Yes I originally had Mm2 but made a last minute change. It should be 10,200,000 km2, which I suppose means the numbers for Singapore should be in the fractional single digits instead of the dozens. I hope Singapore can handle such a massive influx of immigrants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 12:23 PM, mauGR1 said: The fact is that the so called 1st world countries, need the immigrants to do the menial jobs, which the natural citizens don't want to do anymore. That is the reason, or the excuse if you like, for uncontrolled migration. For sure our politicians are being, willingly or not, successful in creating divides in the public opinion. There is no such thing as a job that indigenous people won't do, just a wage that they won't work for,that is the reason for mass immigration .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, Kevbo said: There is no such thing as a job that indigenous people won't do, just a wage that they won't work for,that is the reason for mass immigration .... Indeed mass migration benefits big business and forces wages down and the hapless victims are labelled racists and lazy because they seek to defend their class, culture and community whilst they invaders are encouraged to nurture their cultural identify at the expense of the indigenous population. Any attempt to discuss mass migration and multiculturalism has been suppressed. This is now changing but it is too late. The damage is done. https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/235 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 3:02 AM, Denim said: If citizens of a country become concerned by what they feel is excessive immigration, does that automatically make them racist ? I have often observed that some of the most racist people are the very ones that like to throw the word in other peoples faces. For them , every argument on appropriate immigration is reduced to one of race. The Thais are currently cracking down on foreigners who are ignoring the visa rules. Is this racist or is it justified ? You are correct. The worst racist insults in this thread are against white working class people. Ironically the anti white racist insults are considered acceptable because they supposedly aimed at people who oppose multiculturalism and mass migration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-article/64 In this article the British government acknowledges immigrants have been given priority in social housing leading to the displacement of white working class communities who were forced out. This is a Europe wide pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 4 hours ago, The manic said: https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-article/64 In this article the British government acknowledges immigrants have been given priority in social housing leading to the displacement of white working class communities who were forced out. This is a Europe wide pattern. The report is dated 2009 and references another report dated 2006. Seems to be a fair amount of hyperbole as currently... According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), by the end of 2017 there were 121,837 refugees, 40,365 pending asylum cases and 97 stateless persons in the UK. That’s around one quarter of a percent (0.25%) of the UK’s total population Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 https://m.jpost.com/Diaspora/Anti-racism-rally-in-Berlin-calls-for-destruction-of-Israel-569497 Anti Semitic racists, Islamic fundamentalst, and extreme marxist Leninist....so much for an anti racist rally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 10 hours ago, The manic said: https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-article/64 In this article the British government acknowledges immigrants have been given priority in social housing leading to the displacement of white working class communities who were forced out. This is a Europe wide pattern. Right-wing ‘Migration Watch’ blames immigrants while ignoring the impact of the sale of council houses, the prohibition on councils using the cash from selling houses to build replacements and the failure of the nation to build social housing. Oddly ‘Migration Watch’ miss the impact of the cost of housing (despite this being as much an essential part of British conversations as is the weather). No, let’s ignore UK housing policy and blame immigrants. Classic right-wing scapegoating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 21 hours ago, jak2002003 said: Mot of the posters of Thai Visa won't integrate into Thailand, can't and won't speak Thai language, don't eat Thai food, and moan and gripe about everything Thai. Do you speak Thai, integrate with the community, go to the temple and adopt Thai customs, or am I not PC to ask you that? Most of the posters in TVF aren't immigrants, refugees or asylum seekers. Generally speaking, they also tend to limit their criticism to online rants, rather than take to the streets, engage in violence or involve themselves in local politics. On the whole, they do not make much by way of demanding (other than said rants, and even then not quite) government adopt or accommodate their worldview and belief systems. Most are law abiding and support themselves (nevermind more than that). The "integration" element is, perhaps, more relevant if one seeks a wide range of rights equating with the citizenry. And the path for foreigners to become Thai citizens does include elements related to integration, such as command of language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 20 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Oh those poor right-wing fanatics. All we need do is hug them, love them and listen to them. Apart from the hatred and division are their tools of manipulation. A mirror image of that, often rejected, could be applied to embracing all recent incoming immigration while ignoring some of the disturbing elements included. Your wholesale comment above is a good example of the point previously made by another poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 20 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Good. So when other posters make grossly generalised claims attributing the crimes of a minority to the whole, you'll be right at the front of those challenging the generalisations. Welcome on board. You don't seem to have much issues attributing views of extreme right wing elements to right wing as a whole, though. Guess generalizing is quite alright when it suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Some troll posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 13 hours ago, The manic said: You criticise people who don't believe in multiculturalism, a product mass immigration and then try to use Chinese dominated Signapore as an example of the benefits of multiculturalism. Chinese-dominated Singapore? What?? 13 hours ago, The manic said: Silly. Many cities in the UK have been ruined. I want to know what your idea of a ruined city is. Here's my idea: Allepo, where many of the refugees came from: Are there places in Europe that look like this because of immigrants? 13 hours ago, The manic said: The ideology of multiculturalism, forced onto people by a political, liberal elite who would never suffer from its effects is responsible for the destruction of communities and neighbourhoods in many parts of the UK. Again, show me these "destroyed" neighborhoods. 13 hours ago, The manic said: It is the white working classes and middle classes who have suffered because there is no tangible benefit resulting from multiculturalism. Non at all. It has had a detrimental effect in the UK and had a negative impact on, housing, health, gay rights, women's rights, education, etc. Left wing lunacy. Expert opinion says otherwise. I've already provided reasons why multiculturalism is beneficial earlier in this discussion. Just ask any teacher about diverse classrooms or ask any project manager about having a diverse team. You have yet to offer anything except the "political, liberal elite boogeyman" and your fear of losing white purity. Just do a Google Fight: "Benefits of Multiculturalism" - about 6,630,000 results "Drawbacks of Multiculturalism" - about 112,000 results I guess you're going to say Google is part of some multicultural conspiracy. I won't argue that multiculturalism doesn't also present some challenges - mainly getting past the abject racism and stale appeals to cultural antiquity. But that's not a valid argument against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 10:34 PM, jak2002003 said: So you have the same culture as a Buddhist Thai national? What does it have to do with anything? Is poster trying to get a Thai citizenship? Most of us have them clear Non-Immigrant visas, in case the point isn't clear enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 10:27 PM, jak2002003 said: 'common'? How many a year then compared to knife crimes, murders etc by native white people? Think about it. I think that generally speaking, people are more tolerant of crimes committed by "home-grown" elements. Not in that they accept, embrace or support such but as being part of reality. Things seen as extra, or imported additions will be more salient and less "acceptable". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, Morch said: I think that generally speaking, people are more tolerant of crimes committed by "home-grown" elements. Not in that they accept, embrace or support such but as being part of reality. Things seen as extra, or imported additions will be more salient and less "acceptable". Very true Indeed. Immigrants are expected to behave like guests in the host countries even if they weren't properly invited, and any kind of incivility - whatever the degree - feeds animosity among locals. It's inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Morch said: You don't seem to have much issues attributing views of extreme right wing elements to right wing as a whole, though. Guess generalizing is quite alright when it suits. I look forward to you providing an example of me attributing extreme rightwing views to the rightwing as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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