'United against racism', Germans stage mass protest against far right

[Morch]

16 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

This is the same with Christians.  Next village to in Chiang Mai there are 5 churches.  Anywhere white Europeans or Americans go to live soon has a few churches popping up and missionaries spouting their rubbish.

 

And most of UKs / Americas laws and politics are based on Christianity... when there were not even Christian Countries to start with!  

 

Stop with the Muslim hated and paranoia please.  They just want their rights to practice their religion.  If you are going to deny them that then you have to deny the Christians, Jews, and the rest too.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, and all them pesky Christians setting up shop in Muslim countries too. Oh...wait.

Somehow, just wanting rights to practice religion does not involve as much friction and violence with regard to other religious groups in Europe, or the West in general. Nice story, though.

 

[jak2002003]

17 hours ago, Seffer said:

Yes they want to practice their religion in peace, that's why they kill, rape, decapitate, crush citizens with trucks. <deleted> love religion


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Why single out only Islam, and label all Muslims as terrorists?

 

aattp.org/here-are-8-christian-terrorist-organizations-that-equal-isis/

 

 

[Morch]

18 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

What?

 

What are they then?

 

Expat is just a posh word for immigrant.

 

 

 

Already addressed, in the very same post which you deliberately chose to butcher. Last time I checked, my visa specified Non-Immigrant. Perhaps yours says something different. Or perhaps you should contact Thai immigration and tell them they are doing it wrong.

 

Here's that post again, may want to leave it intact next time your chose to quote - https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1062415-united-against-racism-germans-stage-mass-protest-against-far-right/?page=12&tab=comments#comment-13465471

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Already addressed, in the very same post which you deliberately chose to butcher. Last time I checked, my visa specified Non-Immigrant. Perhaps yours says something different. Or perhaps you should contact Thai immigration and tell them they are doing it wrong.

 

Here's that post again, may want to leave it intact next time your chose to quote - https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1062415-united-against-racism-germans-stage-mass-protest-against-far-right/?page=12&tab=comments#comment-13465471

OK migrant.

[Morch]

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

OK migrant.

 

Ok troll.

[vinegarbase]

19 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

This is the same with Christians.  Next village to in Chiang Mai there are 5 churches.

And the same with those evil Indian buddhist missionaries who indoctrinated Thailand right to buddhism right?

[nausea]

There's none so blind as those who won't see. They're not united against racism or immigration or the fact their country is being f#$@ed, they're united against fascism; which is fair enough. The question I ask is can you be anti-fascist and still think this open doors policy was "maybe" a mistake.  Conflating the issues helps no-one. 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Ok troll.

You’ve descended to name calling already.

[roobaa01]

12 minutes ago, nausea said:

There's none so blind as those who won't see. They're not united against racism or immigration or the fact their country is being f#$@ed, they're united against fascism; which is fair enough. The question I ask is can you be anti-fascist and still think this open doors policy was "maybe" a mistake.  Conflating the issues helps no-one. 

how can they unite against fascism when they are themselves facists like muslim palestinian group demanding israel destruction, salafists, ditib muslim group, green party , marxist, stalinist groups ???

 

wbr

roobaa01 

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, nausea said:

There's none so blind as those who won't see. They're not united against racism or immigration or the fact their country is being f#$@ed, they're united against fascism; which is fair enough. The question I ask is can you be anti-fascist and still think this open doors policy was "maybe" a mistake.  Conflating the issues helps no-one. 

The ‘open doors policy’ was a response to an emergency created by the arrival of hundred of thousands of refugees on Europe’s borders.

 

Simplistic criticism of Merkel’s response to open Germany’s borders fails to address or provide any understanding of why and how the refugee emergency arose.

 

It also fails to address what the alternatives might have been or indeed the outcome of leaving hundreds of thousands of people stranded on the borders of Europe.

Edited October 17, 2018 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

at that time sep 15 the german federal police was ready to close german borders but at the last minute merkel instructed the german interior minister to revoke the border closure. the migrant came from hungary a safe country, hence they are illegal only 3 % deserve the word refugee coz germany is surrounded by safe countries. wbr roobaa01

Let’s see if you can step back and see the bigger picture.

 

What were the causes behind the arrival of the refugees at Europe’s borders and what were the alternatives to opening the border?

 

 

[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s see if you can step back and see the bigger picture.

 

What were the causes behind the arrival of the refugees at Europe’s borders and what were the alternatives to opening the border?

 

 

Colonialism has been doing a lot of damage, but don't tell me that the right solution is overcrowding Europe, which is already overcrowded.

[Opl]

51 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The ‘open doors policy’ was a response to an emergency created by the arrival of hundred of thousands of refugees on Europe’s borders.

 

Simplistic criticism of Merkel’s response to open Germany’s borders fails to address or provide any understanding of why and how the refugee emergency arose.

 

It also fails to address what the alternatives might have been or indeed the outcome of leaving hundreds of thousands of people stranded on the borders of Europe.

"people stranded on the borders of Europe."

I invite you to take a look on the following statistics and maybe you'll admit that economic, social and political concerns have to be taken into account when talking about the pros and cons of welcoming economic migrants - not only refugees or asylum seekers- in European countries : "All in all, the number of unemployed persons worldwide is projected to rise, this is not down to the economic crisis alone, but also the industrial automation of processes previously performed by workers, as well as rising population figures. "

 

I personnally focus my attention on youth unemployment in countries along the southern  borders of Europe

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

 

 

Edited October 17, 2018 by Opl

[simple1]

29 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

at that time sep 15 the german federal police was ready to close german borders but at the last minute merkel instructed the german interior minister to revoke the border closure. the migrant came from hungary a safe country, hence they are illegal only 3 % deserve the word refugee coz germany is surrounded by safe countries. wbr roobaa01

Nonsense. The Dublin Regulation had broken down, plus you should understand the UN Convention for Refugees

[roobaa01]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s see if you can step back and see the bigger picture.

 

What were the causes behind the arrival of the refugees at Europe’s borders and what were the alternatives to opening the border?

 

 

1. not enough money at the un food program 2. sending them back to turkey, jordan, lebanon

 

wbr

roobaa01

[vogie]

Every six out of ten migrants that Merkel let into Germany were economic migrants, not refugees and not fleeing a war. It would seem strange to most people to let anyone into any country without adequate checks on that person, but obviously not to some members on here.

[simple1]

7 minutes ago, Opl said:

"people stranded on the borders of Europe."

I invite you to take a look on the following statistics and maybe you'll admit that economic, social and political concerns have to be taken into account when talking about the pros and cons of welcoming economic migrants - not only refugees or asylum seekers- in European countries : "All in all, the number of unemployed persons worldwide is projected to rise, this is not down to the economic crisis alone, but also the industrial automation of processes previously performed by workers, as well as rising population figures. "

 

I personnally focus my attention on youth unemployment in countries along the southern  border of Europe

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

 

 

Asylum seekers can only be identified as illegal 'economic refugees' after assessment upon claiming refugee status in the host country. There are broad policy exceptions for the process in Germany e.g. those claiming asylum originating from Western Balkan countries who are presumed to be illegal 'economic refugees'. Approx 54% of claimants in the EU are positively vetted as genuine refugees. 

[MaksimMislavsky]

On 10/14/2018 at 7:48 AM, BritManToo said:

Name one place in the world where 'multiculturalism' improved everyone's life and didn't lead to discontent if not actual terrorism.

Arguably Russia (of what I've seen). China is a fairly multi-cultural place, too, and doing not so bad (Uighurs being an exception there)

[roobaa01]

18 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Nonsense. The Dublin Regulation had broken down, plus you should understand the UN Convention for Refugees

nonsense is that no un convention exists for any illegal ,legal migrant, refugee  to choose the country they wish to seek asylum in...

yes, merkel broke illegally dublin down.

wbr

roobaa01

[roobaa01]

15 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Asylum seekers can only be identified as illegal 'economic refugees' after assessment upon claiming refugee status in the host country. There are broad policy exceptions for the process in Germany e.g. those claiming asylum originating from Western Balkan countries who are presumed to be illegal 'economic refugees'. Approx 54% of claimants in the EU are positively vetted as genuine refugees. 

maghreb states, afghanistan, nigeria and many, soon syria, iraque... 3 % are real refugees to germany wbr roobaa01

[simple1]

Just now, roobaa01 said:

maghreb states, afghanistan, nigeria and many, soon syria, iraque... 3 % are real refugees to germany wbr roobaa01

Back up your claims with credible links e.g. Frontex / Eurostat, not from Breitbart or other fake news sites. A starting point...

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-are-most-asylum-seekers-really-economic-migrants

[simple1]

17 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

nonsense is that no un convention exists for any illegal ,legal migrant, refugee  to choose the country they wish to seek asylum in...

yes, merkel broke illegally dublin down.

wbr

roobaa01

Wrong. 

Edited October 17, 2018 by simple1

[Opl]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Asylum seekers can only be identified as illegal 'economic refugees' after assessment upon claiming refugee status in the host country. There are broad policy exceptions for the process in Germany e.g. those claiming asylum originating from Western Balkan countries who are presumed to be illegal 'economic refugees'. Approx 54% of claimants in the EU are positively vetted as genuine refugees. 

Asylum seekers do not want to live in impoverished countries - just like economic migrants : " when the Syrian civil war broke out, the Germans had seemed to want to help them. But concern arose that newcomers who brought over their families would settle down, and later it would be hard to get them to return home and/or to deny them citizenship.  They ( asylum seekers) don’t want to live in impoverished countries or in an environment that they consider hostile. And the more refugees arrive in Germany from Syria, the more they realize that they’re not as welcome as they were when the civil war began in their country. "

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/refugees-on-borrowed-time-1.6343700

 

 

Edited October 17, 2018 by Opl

[MaksimMislavsky]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What were the causes behind the arrival of the refugees at Europe’s borders and what were the alternatives to opening the border?

1. Destruction of livelihood in their home countries as a result of unrest, wars insitigated, fuelled, or outright dished out by the West.

2. Leave them alone in their home countries. Don't mess with their lives there. And they won't be coming to your borders. If can't help helping, help with food, not political protests.

Edited October 17, 2018 by MaksimMislavsky

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Every six out of ten migrants that Merkel let into Germany were economic migrants, not refugees and not fleeing a war. It would seem strange to most people to let anyone into any country without adequate checks on that person, but obviously not to some members on here.

"Every six out of ten migrants that Merkel let into Germany were economic migrants, not refugees and not fleeing a war."

 

Source?

[the guest]

The whole lot should come to Thailand, they'll teach you a thing or two about racism!

[vogie]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

"Every six out of ten migrants that Merkel let into Germany were economic migrants, not refugees and not fleeing a war."

 

Source?

Good grief, I hope when you're hungry you don't say to your wife 'Dinner'

 

The last time you said "Source" I gave you the "Source" and nothing in return from you.

 

 

More than half of all migrants to Europe are motivated by “economic reasons” and are not fleeing war or persecution, the vice-president of the European Commission has said.

Dutch politician Frans Timmermans said the majority of migrants to Europe are from North African countries such as Morocco or Tunisia, where there is no conflict.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/six-out-of-10-migrants-to-europe-come-for-economic-reasons-and-are-not-refugees-eu-vice-president-a6836306.html

 

 

[roobaa01]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

Wrong. 

i can' t help it u are fair dinkum right it is like that in the left wing world of surrealism and fantasy.

 

wbr

roobaa01

[roobaa01]

coming back to the topic the berlin demonstration #unmittelbar=immediate was highligthed by 

1. left wing extremism

2. left wing and muslim antisemitism

 

wbr

roobaa01

[Morch]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The ‘open doors policy’ was a response to an emergency created by the arrival of hundred of thousands of refugees on Europe’s borders.

 

Simplistic criticism of Merkel’s response to open Germany’s borders fails to address or provide any understanding of why and how the refugee emergency arose.

 

It also fails to address what the alternatives might have been or indeed the outcome of leaving hundreds of thousands of people stranded on the borders of Europe.

 

So rather than actually addressing an issue, you deflect. As if this wasn't discussed to death, and in-depth on multiple topics.

 

Whether or not there was an acute emergency requiring the EU (and specifically, Germany) to act the way it did can be debated. Similarly, neither your auto-defense of Merkel addresses or provides insights as to the "questions" you pose to others.

 

As for alternatives - this too was thoroughly discussed. The EU could have set up refugee camps, rather than allow incoming asylum seekers/refugees/migrants/whatever freedom of movement. This may have allowed a better assessment of claims, needs, scope and provision of aid. Another option would have been to extend further budgets to countries serving as "first stop" - whether in the ME or in Southern Europe. A more proactive approach to intercepting incoming boats, processing people on "first stop" host countries, and working with these countries to curtail human traffickers wouldn't have gone amiss as well.

 

 

The "hundreds of thousands of people stranded on the borders of Europe." image is quite misleading.