Thailand makes HUGE changes to its laws on smoking in public

[HalfLight]

"Smokers nipping outside the front of buildings for a quick smoke will soon be a thing of the past in Thailand."

 

I doubt that, here's what will happen:

 

1 legislature creates an unenforceable law

2. Legislature gets PR advantage and takes repeated bows.

3. Nobody enforces the new law. Or the old laws. Unless they're committed by unsuspecting foreigners or tourists, who are promptly fleeced by the fearless Thai police.

4. The hoi polloi forgets about it and plans to cut the rice instead.

5 Legislature creates more unenforceable laws in order to appear to be doing something except taking a nap and getting paid for it.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2018 by HalfLight

[wabothai]

9 minutes ago, hobz said:

All those things are illegal already.

Just not enforced properly. Ofcourse the smoking laws will not be enforced properly either.

Of course we are talking about enforcement.

[tropo]

1 hour ago, mommysboy said:

But they can only smoke outdoors these days.  So, I don't see how you are compromised in any way whatsoever.

 

If its the go-go bars or such like- well anything goes in there- not really a place for the sensitive.

I was mainly speaking from a historical perspective. I never got to enjoy the benefits of smoke-free environments back at home as the strict non-smoking laws didn't start until after I'd left.

Edited November 7, 2018 by tropo

[adammike]

44 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

 

I take your point that the smell is bad and the litter aspect is the one area where I'd agree with you - which is why I mentioned it in my previous (1st) post.  As I (and many others) have said however, there is way more of a cost paid by society from the ills of alcohol - I am not about to list them all here again as it's beginning to feel like Groundhog day - feel free to look over previous posts from myself and others for that argument. Does this mean we as a society should ban alcohol? I personally think no, because - as I have said so many times, the real crux of this issue is the 'freedom of personal choice' / civil liberties debate. Smokers don't have the right to impose their habit on you (and most do not do so) - they can't do in any indoor setting - that is already illegal and rightly so. But you and non-smokers similarly don't have the 'right' to impose your distaste and intolerance for smoking on people who do smoke responsibly and follow the law. SIMPLE AS THAT! 

 

If you walk by a bar or group of people smoking and get a momentary waft - a second or two - of smoke wash over you it wont harm you, it might smell, but hey - walking around any big city you get plenty of worse smells invade your sinuses than a bit of tobacco smoke. It also won't hurt you, the polluted air you (and your family perhaps) are breathing in is contaminated by all manner of real pollutants created in an urban environment and is far worse for you, so this is a moot point.

 

If you're FOR banning ciggies altogether on the 'public health risk' grounds you have to be FOR banning alcohol and a few other items too. I notice hardly anyone is. That is a double standard and there's room for them in this world. There are enough as it is.

Is it possible for you to have all your posts in a green typeface?

[mauGR1]

As i see it, another strategy to keep the people at home, nothing to worry about, and the anti-smoke brigade will enjoy breathing the clean air

[cookieqw]

6 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

   6 hours ago,  cookieqw said: 

And what do you do with your buttends. ??

 

   6 hours ago,  transam said: 

You never heard of waste bins, or sand bins provided for butts....?

 

Hmmm, well I suppose I do hang out at posh venues....

 

Personally, I always have an empty tic tac container in my handbag for my butt-ends when 'out and about' - as there aren't many waste bins or sand bins provided.

 

When walking my dogs on the beach, I only take a few cigs. with me - and dispose of them in the cig. packet, which will then be put in my bin at home.

????

 

i was a bit tongue in cheek in my post  --  no self respecting smoker will ever admit to throwing buttends away  555  cookie

 

[toofarnorth]

On Tuesday, November 06, 2018 at 4:37 PM, champers said:

You may soon be able to swap baccer for mary joanna, if you can prove you need it for medicinal purposes.

I can prove it . Of all the things it cures or just helps I have 6 things on the list even though I haven't seen it yet.  In the '60s there was a girl singer , friend of Mick Jagger , Maryhuana Frightfull.

[wgdanson]

3 minutes ago, toofarnorth said:

I can prove it . Of all the things it cures or just helps I have 6 things on the list even though I haven't seen it yet.  In the '60s there was a girl singer , friend of Mick Jagger , Maryhuana Frightfull.

Can you get Mars Bars on the medical?

 

[toofarnorth]

I think the way for me to go is a chair on the median strip AH2.  How long before I keel over from all the black smoke from the illegal pickups ...........................................

[fullcave]

On 11/6/2018 at 4:21 PM, pmh2009 said:

So what's next... prohibiting  of laughter???

Only if your breath stinks like an ashtray.

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, tropo said:

I was mainly speaking from a historical perspective. I never got to enjoy the benefits of smoke-free environments back at home as the strict non-smoking laws didn't start until after I'd left.

This is what I don't understand: surely there are no longer smokers in malls, sports centres, restaurants, and the ilk.  As for outside, I don't see hordes of smokers lingering at the doorway. I do see the odd smoker out and about who appears to be causing no nuisance.

 

Where are these establishments where one can smoke? Why do non smokers feel magnetically drawn to them?  It would be a laugh if we're really just talking about sleazy bars (nothing against them mind).  You have to take the rough with the smooth in these places.

Edited November 7, 2018 by mommysboy

[mommysboy]

59 minutes ago, direction BANGKOK said:

I do not believe there is any merit whatsoever in these arguments that deflect. For example, Trump is in trouble with Stormy Daniels, and his supporters say, "well, what about Bill Clinton". There is absolutely no legitimacy to those arguments. In fact, it is an "arguemnt" that is made when no other actual arguments exist. And that is what I feel you are doing with the car exhaust, alcohol and whatever else. 

 

Argue smoking in public on its merits, or lack thereof, alone! That is the only way to figure out a logical solution. 

 

I have already listed off some of my beliefs. But the gist of it is second hand smoke has been shown to be a killer. Second hand smoke can affect babies (who obviously go into public spaces as well) to a much larger extent due to their obviously fragile nature. Cig butts are the number one trash item worldwide. Cigs are the leading cause of preventable death. Cigs cause countless building and forest fires every year, and of course people die and houses are burned down etc. 

 

As a whole, that is all tough to argue against. Especially when you argue in a legitimate fashion, eg "smoking in public is ok because... (don't say because people drive cars)". 

 

I believe smoking bans in public are coming. I largely also believe, based on just the litter aspect alone. thet smokers have made this bed they are in to a large extent. Riddle me this, why do so many smokers throw butts? To me, it is obvious... they do not want to deal with the smelly, smoldering mess. In other words, they'd love to smoke, but they do not really tend to feel as though taking care of the result of their habit is important. 

 

And by the way, thank you for the discussion and for the thoughtful points you have brought up. 

No bins for the fag ends.  Can't say I'd really noticed that many.

[Bluespunk]

17 hours ago, swissie said:

Fashions change. At some time it was fashionable to burn christians at the stakes. Then it was the "non-believers" turn. Then the witches. Then the Jews. Then the Gays. Then folks wearing long hair and playing rock n'roll. Today it's the smokers that need to be nailed to the cross.

This opinion supported mainly by folks that drive an SUV, guzzling 20 litres per 100 and standing on a street corner in BKK inhaling the fresh air.
Be on your guard: Vegans will be next. Them eating food that deprives them of essential nutrients, making for expensive hospital bills later on, putting them in the same boat as smokers.
To be politically correct means to be anti-tobacco these days.

I just would want to see the faces of those politically-correct people, if upon entering the "pearly-gates", the first thing they would be offered, is a Cuban-Cigar!
- How simple would it be if there were Pub's and other places for smokers or non smokers. End of discussion. Everybody happy!
But it's not about that. And it's not a health issue. Inhaling "second-hand-smoke" is so diluted, that it has about the same effect as Homeophathic Medicine. = NONE! It's about the rightous majority wanting to impose their rightiouseness upon a minority. What else is new on this globe?

 
BTW: In the 50ties and 60ties, a non smoker was considered as politically "incorrect". Remember?
Fashions change. Let's be careful what we wish for. Todays political correctness may come back and bite some of us in the rear....

I'm vegan and haven't missed a work day 22 years, perfectly healthy lifestyle. I go to the gym or run 5 or 6 days a week, so diet clearly is not an issue for vegans.

 

Smoking is a habit that causes illness and death, not only for the smoker but those unfortunate to be also breathing in their poison.

 

It's nothing to do with political correctness, but a realisation that the tobacco companies lied for decades about their research into their product and it is a dangerous, addictive habit.

 

Smoke away smokers but do it away from the rest of us. Don't impose your poison upon us.

 

Oh and by the way, not smoking has never been considered politically incorrect.

Edited November 7, 2018 by Bluespunk

[mommysboy]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

I'm vegan and haven't missed a work day 22 years, perfectly healthy lifestyle. I go to the gym or run 5 or 6 days a week, so diet clearly is not an issue for vegans.

 

Smoking is a habit that causes illness and death, not only for the smoker but those unfortunate to be also breathing in their poison.

 

It's nothing to do with political correctness, but a realisation that the tobacco companies lied for decades about their research into their product and it is a dangerous, addictive habit.

 

Smoke away smokers but do it away from the rest of us. Don't impose your poison upon us.

 

Oh and by the way, not smoking has never been considered politically incorrect.

But the point is you are not really exposed to smoke anymore, and haven't been for some time. I mean, where is it you are going if this is not true?

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

But the point is you are not really exposed to smoke anymore, and haven't been for some time. I mean, where is it you are going if this is not true?

I was responding to the posters post, not the op. 

 

As to not being exposed to it, be even less so if the excellent measures being proposed are introduced. 

[superal]

I have read half of the posts so apologies if I repeat a previous post .

The smoking ban is just another means to collect money from tourists who will be able to afford it . A much better return than road checks and traffic offenses and the top cops will be happy to be getting rich quick . 

Who ever thinks this move is to safeguard health are living in cuckoo land . It is a money making venture .

Current bans on restaurant / bar smoking are rarely enforced , especially if the police are collecting tea money .

To the non smokers I say , if it means so much to you to be in a smoke and pollution free environment why do you choose to live in 3rd world country where laws are seldom enforces by legal means . Maybe return to the western world where the laws are enforced and big brother watches over you . 

[androokery]

3 hours ago, sambum said:

 "Cigs are by far and away the number one litter item worldwide".

 

Absolute garbage - if you will excuse the pun. Plastic is a far more serious problem.

<<<<Off topic image removed>>>>

 

Can't see a cigarette butt anywhere!

Not anywhere, they're everywhere.

"Cigarette butts are the most common form of anthropogenic (man-made) litter in the world, as approximately 5.6 trillion cigarettes are smoked every year worldwide.^[23] Of those it is estimated that 4.5 trillion cigarette butts become litter every year.^[24] The cellulose acetate fibers used as the predominant filter material do not readily biodegrade because of the acetyl groups on the cellulose backbone which in itself can quickly be degraded by various microorganisms employing cellulases.^[25] A normal life span of a discarded filter is thought to be up to 15 years."

Quoted from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette_filter

Edited November 7, 2018 by metisdead
Removed off topic image from quoted post.

[metisdead]

Some more off topic posts and the replies have been removed. 

[mommysboy]

27 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I was responding to the posters post, not the op. 

 

As to not being exposed to it, be even less so if the excellent measures being proposed are introduced. 

So we really are talking about the odd puff blown in the wind.  Wow, that's extreme. We are all faced with myriad petty annoyances- do you suppose you don't create any?  Live and let live.

[daftdada]

On 11/6/2018 at 3:21 AM, pmh2009 said:

So what's next... prohibiting  of laughter???

No, it´s not any facts on that laughing has a bad effect on your fellow humans.

 

__

 

 

If the laugh is meant to insult then laughing would indeed have a bad effect.

 

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

2 hours ago, sanemax said:

And the law will soon state that you cannot smoke near anywhere , do follow that law, when it comes into force

Yes mum! ????

 

As I said previously. I'll flout the hell out of it. ????

 

Edited November 7, 2018 by CanterbrigianBangkoker

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

2 hours ago, adammike said:

Is it possible for you to have all your posts in a green typeface?

Nope.

 

You'll just have to skip past them. Your prerogative of course. I know I've been doing the same with yours for weeks now. ????

[Bluespunk]

11 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

So we really are talking about the odd puff blown in the wind.  Wow, that's extreme. We are all faced with myriad petty annoyances- do you suppose you don't create any?  Live and let live.

Smoking around me is not for myself a petty annoyance, it is a major one, for very personal reasons. 

 

Smoking can kill the user and those around them.

 

Any behaviours on my part don’t cause harm to others. 

 

Im all for live and let live, just as long smokers don’t impose their poison on me. 

 

If smokers want to smoke, then fine.

 

Just do it away from the rest of us. 

Edited November 7, 2018 by Bluespunk

[mommysboy]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Smoking around me is not for myself a petty annoyance, it is a major one, for very personal reasons. 

 

Smoking can kill the user and those around them.

 

Any behaviours on my part don’t cause harm to others. 

 

Im all for live and let live, just as long smokers don’t impose their poison on me. 

 

If smokers want to smoke, then fine.

 

Just do it away from the rest of us. 

They are, or should already be, away from you. What do you mean 'away from the rest of us'?

[Bluespunk]

Just now, mommysboy said:

They are, or should already be, away from you. What do you mean 'away from the rest of us'?

The current excellent measures being considered would be a good start. 

[vogie]

20 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

So, I did actually see a guy sitting down smoking on the street.  I was in the gym on one of those cross country ski machines, and he was opposite outside a pharmacy, where there was a little bench for customers.

 

About half a dozen people walked by during that time- not one batted an eyelid as far as I could tell. Meanwhile, I gave up counting the number of vehicles that passed- 100, 200, maybe 300.

 

I'd say some people on this thread really need to get some perspective.

MB I always interested to read your posts on other threads, as I do some other posters commenting on this thread. You are obviously quite intelligent, but when you take a smokers perspective all logic and sensibility goes out of the window. Surely you must know that smoking could easily kill you, why do you strive to justify it, it is totally unjustifiable.

Maybe by being a smoker you cannot appreciate how acrid cigarettes can be to other people within your vicinity, you don't come across as a selfish person so secretly you must know the dangers and the annoyance it can be to others.

If you have ever watched someone die with lung cancer and watch them cough up parts of their lungs surely you would think more seriously about the habit, it doesn't stop at the lungs, it will spread like wildfire through the rest of the body.

I know this post will be taken flippantly by a lot of smokers, the it will never happen to me syndrome.

 

[mommysboy]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

The current excellent measures being considered would be a good start. 

Smoking is already banned in most public places often open spaces too such as parks, and most restaurants.  The only establishments where this is not so would likely be considered 'non-mainstream' shall we say.  

 

For instance, I did not see one smoker at the gym today, or in the shopping mall, or at the bank.... and I didn't have to side step any smokers around doorways.

 

So where exactly are these places and why are they so compelling that you must be in them?.....????

[Bluespunk]

Just now, mommysboy said:

Smoking is already banned in most public places often open spaces too such as parks, and most restaurants.  The only establishments where this is not so would likely be considered 'non-mainstream' shall we say.  

 

For instance, I did not see one smoker at the gym today, or in the shopping mall, or at the bank.... and I didn't have to side step any smokers around doorways.

 

So where exactly are these places and why are they so compelling that you must be in them?.....????

Any place free of smoking is a better place. If you want to know the ones being mentioned in the op...read the op. 

[mommysboy]

11 minutes ago, vogie said:

MB I always interested to read your posts on other threads, as I do some other posters commenting on this thread. You are obviously quite intelligent, but when you take a smokers perspective all logic and sensibility goes out of the window. Surely you must know that smoking could easily kill you, why do you strive to justify it, it is totally unjustifiable.

Maybe by being a smoker you cannot appreciate how acrid cigarettes can be to other people within your vicinity, you don't come across as a selfish person so secretly you must know the dangers and the annoyance it can be to others.

If you have ever watched someone die with lung cancer and watch them cough up parts of their lungs surely you would think more seriously about the habit, it doesn't stop at the lungs, it will spread like wildfire through the rest of the body.

I know this post will be taken flippantly by a lot of smokers, the it will never happen to me syndrome.

 

Vogie. I'm not justifying smoking as such, and rather think it better that is banned in favour of vaping.  I'm glad I gave up smoking.

 

What I am saying is that smokers pose no threat outside really, while others seem to think that they are being poisoned.  I'm also comparing smoking outside with air pollution.  At this point, you realise the ridiculousness of the argument.

 

I'm also saying problem, what problem?  As I mentioned, I rarely see a smoker out and about these days and certainly not in shopping malls,etc.

 

I rather suspect we are talking about the gripes of a few punters frequenting the 'Neon Floosie' in Pattaya.

 

Sadly, I had to pull out of Bangkok after 10 years due to health issues from air pollution which caused me asthma like illness and sinus issues; it cost me financially, and it's my favourite place.  Smokers were the least of my worries.

Edited November 7, 2018 by mommysboy

[Rc2702]

I am a smoker and I think it is right to smoke on your own away from others. It's an addiction so I treat it as such. I will only smoke away from others never in front of children or near them and I'd never chat and smoke. I can sit amongst smokers and not smoke. I treat it like a dirty habit because it is.