British police release video of Skripal poisoning suspects

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British police release video of Skripal poisoning suspects

 

FILE PHOTO: Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov, who were formally accused of attempting to murder former Russian intelligence officer Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury, are seen in an image handed out by the Metropolitan Police in London, Britain September 5, 2018. Metroplitan Police handout via REUTERS 

 

LONDON (Reuters) - British police on Thursday released more video footage of the two suspects they believe poisoned former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury in March.

 

Two men - known by the aliases Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov - were charged in absentia for the attack in September.

 

Investigative website Bellingcat has named them as Alexander Yevgenyevich Mishkin and Anatoliy Chepiga, both of whom work for Russia's GRU intelligence services.

 

Police realised video footage of two men arriving and moving around Salisbury on Sunday March 4, the day the Skripals were found slumped in the centre of the English city.

 

A man and a woman were poisoned in the nearby town of Amesbury on June 30 after police believe they handled a perfume bottle that contained Novichok, a military-grade nerve agent developed by the Soviet Union used in the Skripal poisoning. The woman, Dawn Sturgess, died.

 

Police said they were appealing for more information from anybody who may have seen the two men in Britain between 2-4 March or had seen the counterfeit 'Nina Ricci' perfume box or bottle.

 

(Reporting by Paul Sandle; Editing by Sandra Maler)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-11-23

[sammieuk1]

Vlad undone by superior intelligence ????

[Somtamnication]

Leave these two alone; they were only looking for the 123 metre steeple which this town is famous for!

[Syduan]

Yet another false flag.

[metisdead]

An off topic post has been removed. 

[fanjita]

I can't see the point of releasing more video of these two, or am I missing something?

 

We know the outcome and also know that there's more chance of bumping into Elvis in 7-Eleven than these two facing UK justice.

[Proboscis]

2 hours ago, Syduan said:

Yet another false flag.

A "false flag" is an expression used to describe an operation where the real responsibility is hidden behind a false flag or where the deception is designed to throw the blame on a particular party.

 

If this is, as you claim, a false flag, could you explain to us mere mortals who or what is involved?

 

Do you really mean the ludicrous idea that the British government would take an amount of a nerve agent, sufficient to kill about 1,000 people, and use it to try to kill a foreign agent who defected to the UK along with his innocent daughter plus a completely innocent British woman and almost kill a police officer, and where it was really surprising that not a lot more people were not killed? And so devious were the British government, according to this fantasy, that they were able to time this for just when two Colonels of the GRU happened to be on a day trip, no less, to that town from Moscow? 

 

Or are you in fact sane and you mean something else?

[connda]

Guy Fawks Day approaching soon?  We need to send out the boogie-men to scare the little British children.  Pretty soon they'll be burning Russian effigies in bonfires.  Wait a minute.  You Brits still allowed to have bonfires and fireworks on Guy Fawks Day?  I'm a Yank child of the 1950s who started off life in England - all that fun stuff is no doubt banned and illegal now, 'eh? 
Well, if you can't have bonfires, then have a Petrov/Boshirov Day where you spray Round-Up on effigies of Russian agents made out of sprouting Chia seeds then watch them wither and die.  Nothing like a good national day-of-bloodletting to keep the public invested in the commonly accepted narrative! 

 

Edited November 23, 2018 by connda

[tumama]

1 hour ago, Proboscis said:

A "false flag" is an expression used to describe an operation where the real responsibility is hidden behind a false flag or where the deception is designed to throw the blame on a particular party.

 

If this is, as you claim, a false flag, could you explain to us mere mortals who or what is involved?

 

Any nation out to discredit Russia could have been the culprit. Ukraine comes to mind. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the U.K government would seize on this opportunity to blame Russia. Especially in these days when they are dying for a distraction from Brexit.   

[tumama]

3 hours ago, fanjita said:

I can't see the point of releasing more video of these two, or am I missing something?

 

We know the outcome and also know that there's more chance of bumping into Elvis in 7-Eleven than these two facing UK justice.

 

The point is exactly what you exhibit in your second paragraph. These people are already found guilty in the court of public perception. Even though we have seen absolutely no evidence of their guilt.

 

Sure, it's weird that these people would go to Salisbury on a vacation for a couple of days. But on the other hand, it's even weirder that a pair of Russian spies would fly directly from Moscow to London on Russian passports, and then share the same bed in their hotel room. You don't have to dabble in intelligence work to know how absurd that would be.

 

What I would like to see is some actual evidence. Such as either camera footage close to the Skripal home (where normal tourists wouldn't venture), the park where the Skripals were found and especially DNA on the bottle that could potentially be tied to them. In the latter case, if they had that, they could have requested for the suspects to be interrogated in Russia. But have they done that? No. So far we have seen zero evidence of their guilt. The only thing they have accomplished was potentially exposing two Russian tourists as a gay couple. 

 

 

Edited November 23, 2018 by tumama

[fanjita]

4 minutes ago, tumama said:

The point is exactly what you exhibit in your second paragraph.

An overly long and unnecessary rant when, as I said, they'll never face justice.  

 

Let me remind you, justice would be these two in the dock and the available evidence presented to judge and jury.  Who said they're guilty?

[tumama]

2 minutes ago, fanjita said:

An overly long and unnecessary rant when, as I said, they'll never face justice.  

 

Which is exactly my point. It's pretty obvious they are not interested in justice. They just want it out for public perception. U.K is still holding the Skripals without access to consular assistance or access to their families. Whether they are held against their will or not is anyone's guess. But I personally, find it a bit strange that neither of them have contacted their family (that we know). If a country like Iran or Russia would do the same we would call it kidnapping. 

[KKr]

IMHO, if it were GRU, they would not have conducted such a messy amateurish operation.

[bendejo]

Aw c'mon, they are just a handsome young gay couple touring UK to visit quaint tea shops.  Ain't that right, boys?

Fake news!

 

 

Edited November 23, 2018 by bendejo

[Ks45672]

8 hours ago, tumama said:

 

Any nation out to discredit Russia could have been the culprit. Ukraine comes to mind. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the U.K government would seize on this opportunity to blame Russia. Especially in these days when they are dying for a distraction from Brexit.   

If Russia was responsible i don't think they will leave so many clues pointing back at Russia... 

 

[dundee48]

1 hour ago, Ks45672 said:

If Russia was responsible i don't think they will leave so many clues pointing back at Russia... 

 

Hilarious how some people think Russia can do no wrong and would never ever make a complete b#lls of something.

The link below is probably just a pure coincidence,his long illness started the day after the mighty GRU were exposed for the amateurs they are.

HAHAHA.

https://www.dw.com/en/russia-gru-military-spy-chief-dies-after-illness/a-46403424

 

[joecoolfrog]

17 hours ago, Syduan said:

Yet another false flag.

Nice try Boris !

[joecoolfrog]

6 hours ago, Ks45672 said:

If Russia was responsible i don't think they will leave so many clues pointing back at Russia... 

 

What does it matter when so many like you seem incapable of accepting the obvious.

[Tom F]

False flags, unfortunate coincidences and Russo-phobia? Well, ABR, anyone but Russia, I suppose. For any board member who is not actually ensconced in the GRU troll farm, here are a few thoughts to consider.

 

So, the theory is that the Ukraine knew in advance about the two GRU colonels' trip to Salisbury and coordinated the whole thing on that basis? Truly remarkable.

 

Berovosky 2003, Litivenko 2006 are headliners on the list of Russia/ Putin enemies killed in the UK. The list is too long to detail here. The list is longer in Russia, Ukraine and elsewhere. More coincidences, more ABR.

 

Bad day for Russian intelligence today. The head of military intelligence dies at 62 after a “long illness.” Deputy prosecutor in charge of Russian Skripal investigation dies in helicopter crash. Each implicated in providing information to the West.

 

Say what you will about Putin. He keeps at least some of his promises: death to spies.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-traitors-kick-bucket-sergei-skripal-latest-video-30-pieces-silver-a8243206.html

[tumama]

On 11/24/2018 at 2:49 AM, bendejo said:

Aw c'mon, they are just a handsome young gay couple touring UK to visit quaint tea shops.  Ain't that right, boys?

Fake news!

 

That's a lot more plausible than them being Russian agents. Unless you think Russian government hit men share beds, travel on Russian passports and take direct flights from Moscow. 

[dabhand]

12 minutes ago, tumama said:

 

That's a lot more plausible than them being Russian agents. Unless you think Russian government hit men share beds, travel on Russian passports and take direct flights from Moscow. 

Or leave a taxi receipt for journey from GRU head office in Moscow to the airport before heading to Amsterdam for a bit of 'sight seeing' outside the OPCW headquarters? There does seem to be a bit of a trend here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-hack-spies-chemical-weapons-doping-us-evidence-opcw-hague-gru-a8569326.html

 

 

[tumama]

3 hours ago, dabhand said:

Or leave a taxi receipt for journey from GRU head office in Moscow to the airport before heading to Amsterdam for a bit of 'sight seeing' outside the OPCW headquarters? There does seem to be a bit of a trend here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-hack-spies-chemical-weapons-doping-us-evidence-opcw-hague-gru-a8569326.html

 

The Hague is a really small city. I know, I've lived there. Many of these headquarters are close by to each other including embassies. The Russian embassy, for example, is just 4 blocks from the OPCW headquarters. 

 

Noticed where I stated hit men? Intercepting data over a wifi network is quite different from murdering people. If indeed that is what they were doing, and not just doing maintenance job at their embassy as they claimed. 

 

Also, I don't know where you got your info about a taxi receipt, but clearly taxi receipts don't come with origin and destination addresses. 

 

Edited November 27, 2018 by tumama

[Tom F]

22 hours ago, tumama said:

 

That's a lot more plausible than them being Russian agents. Unless you think Russian government hit men share beds, travel on Russian passports and take direct flights from Moscow. 

Ok, so theory is that two closeted gay GRU colonels were away for a quick romantic tryst....In romantic Salisbury, England.  On the day an enemy of the state is poisoned.   Talk about the wrong place at the wrong time.   Geez, what are the odds of that?   Really, what are the odds?   How many Russian tourists go to Salisbury per year?  How many gay couples go to Salisbury per year?  How many gay Russian couples go to Salisbury per year?   How many gay Russian colonel couples go to Salisbury per year?  And , the fact that they were there on the one day of the year when the poisoning happened, what does that do to the odds?   555

[Proboscis]

On 11/23/2018 at 6:02 PM, tumama said:

 

Any nation out to discredit Russia could have been the culprit. Ukraine comes to mind. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the U.K government would seize on this opportunity to blame Russia. Especially in these days when they are dying for a distraction from Brexit.   

So let me get this straight. Not even the Russians (nor their international media outlet RT) claim that the two men in question were NOT Russians. Bringing in a theory about a third country does not explain all the points in my original post. So please, troll somewhere else

[tumama]

2 hours ago, Proboscis said:

So let me get this straight. Not even the Russians (nor their international media outlet RT) claim that the two men in question were NOT Russians. Bringing in a theory about a third country does not explain all the points in my original post. So please, troll somewhere else

Of course they were Russian. But we have seen no proof of them being anything but tourists. Like I said, sure it's weird they go all the way to England to visit Salisbury (Stonehenge etc) and happen to be there at the exact time the attempted murders took place. But if they were government sanctioned hit men. Then why share a bed, fly on Russian passports, make no attempt to disguise themselves and take a direct flight from Moscow? That makes even less sense. It's more likely these are just two homosexual men who haven't come out of the closet (Russia is not a gay friendly place), who have the financial means to go travelling and who were at the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

Also, Britain could have reached out to Russia to interview these men and possibly their family members, friends, old teachers etc. But they didn't even attempt that. Instead releasing their identities to the media, knowing very well they had zero chance of getting them extradited. 

Edited November 28, 2018 by tumama

[tumama]

2 hours ago, Tom F said:

Ok, so theory is that two closeted gay GRU colonels were away for a quick romantic tryst....In romantic Salisbury, England.  On the day an enemy of the state is poisoned.   Talk about the wrong place at the wrong time.   Geez, what are the odds of that?   Really, what are the odds?   How many Russian tourists go to Salisbury per year?  How many gay couples go to Salisbury per year?  How many gay Russian couples go to Salisbury per year?   How many gay Russian colonel couples go to Salisbury per year?  And , the fact that they were there on the one day of the year when the poisoning happened, what does that do to the odds?   555

 

There is no proof any of these guys were GRU. Bellingcat, a think tank version of Reddit users, found an image of one of the guys who looked liked a decorated GRU officer. That's hardly evidence. Lots of people look alike.

 

Or maybe you think Putin is a time traveler?

[tumama]

On 11/24/2018 at 5:04 AM, dundee48 said:

Hilarious how some people think Russia can do no wrong and would never ever make a complete b#lls of something.

The link below is probably just a pure coincidence,his long illness started the day after the mighty GRU were exposed for the amateurs they are.

HAHAHA.

https://www.dw.com/en/russia-gru-military-spy-chief-dies-after-illness/a-46403424

 

I don't know about you. But I believe in something called innocent until proven guilty. Being Russian and being in the same town were the crime took place hardly proves their guilt. Let alone beyond a reasonable doubt. Having their DNA matched to the perfume bottle would on the other hand. But do they have that? No. 

 

Conspiracy theorist are we? Old people die. It happens. You like to see patterns where there are none just because it fits your preconceived opinion of how bad Russians are. 

 

[dundee48]

9 hours ago, tumama said:

 

I don't know about you. But I believe in something called innocent until proven guilty. Being Russian and being in the same town were the crime took place hardly proves their guilt. Let alone beyond a reasonable doubt. Having their DNA matched to the perfume bottle would on the other hand. But do they have that? No. 

 

Conspiracy theorist are we? Old people die. It happens. You like to see patterns where there are none just because it fits your preconceived opinion of how bad Russians are. 

 

OK,so they will be on the next plane to England to prove their innocence.Thought not.

I am sure you also have lots of photos of them on other "vacations"as well,no?The internet must be full of them surely?

The photos of them from a few years back with their army buddies are not really them also.Hahahahahahahah.