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[farmerjo]

Anyone know where one could get hold of a decent amount of 

Fa talai jone seeds.

All my internet searches come up short other than a few hospitals supplying small amounts of seeds..

[farmerjo]

2 hours ago, farmerjo said:

Anyone know where one could get hold of a decent amount of 

Fa talai jone seeds.

All my internet searches come up short other than a few hospitals supplying small amounts of seeds..

Ok,found them under the name Green Chiretta.

 

On plants can someone identify this weed for me.

And is it a perrenial.

 

 

[kickstart]

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Your Far Talai Jone seed,in Thai ฟัาทะลายโจร  This comes from nanagarden .com,looks if they have some seed 

[farmerjo]

Thanks KS

Fil planted some when i was away near my wash down pad,not knowing what they were i knocked them down so looking for some replacements.

 

Any idea on the other weed.

[kickstart]

12 hours ago, farmerjo said:

Thanks KS

Fil planted some when i was away near my wash down pad,not knowing what they were i knocked them down so looking for some replacements.

 

Any idea on the other weed.

Yes and no ,the wife said it is ตันจีแดง, Jen- Dang  Red Chinese, or ตันเมาซตุง,as in Mao Zedong/Chairman Mao ,the Chinese communist leader .

I Googled both of these ,not a plant in sight ,the wife's sister said the same thing ,these names must be local to our area .

If you are in town try your local agriculture office 

[JungleBiker]

On 4/21/2021 at 12:39 PM, farmerjo said:

 

On plants can someone identify this weed for me.

And is it a perrenial.

 

 

 

Without looking it up, it looks like a Euphorbia of some sort. If you google euphorbia weed Thailand and then look at the images, you may find it. 

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by JungleBiker

[farmerjo]

1 hour ago, JungleBiker said:

 

Without looking it up, it looks like a Euphorbia of some sort. If you google euphorbia weed Thailand and then look at the images, you may find it. 

 

Thanks JB,you are correct.????

I couldn't find it anywhere looking up common weeds of Thailand.

Also known as the Mexican Fireplant.

 

[farmerjo]

Sunn hemp planted on 15th march coming on nicely before rice planting.No irrigation,just rain fed.

 

 

[kickstart]

On 4/28/2021 at 10:12 AM, farmerjo said:

Sunn hemp planted on 15th march coming on nicely before rice planting.No irrigation,just rain fed.

 

 

Hi FJ

        This year everything is rain feed, last month we had 264 mm of rain , with more to come this week for sure, the 3ed most rain  in a month I have recorded in 5 years, most was in May 2018, 304 mm, and that year we had very little rain in the proper rainy season ,definitely a change in weather pattens ,will this year be the same?

All the maize crops are looking well ,and sugar cane, those who put down drip for irrigating cassava will be thinking spent a lot of money, and it was not needed. 

With the rain our Napier grass has grown ,more than we can use, have asked our neighbours to come and help themselves ,we could make some silage ,but we need a week without rain to wilt the grass, unlikely.

[kickstart]

Our local farang farming company have been shopping again ,this time for this set of disc harrows ,been having a few problems with blockage, considering we have had no rain to speak of this month they must have found a wet spot somewhere .

This set of discs was made in Thailand ,a company in Nakonsuwhun ,well-made  total of 56 discs .

One for FJ they are direct drilling a crop of maize ,and applying a 15-15-15 fertilizer ,the fertilizer is on top of the land ,waiting for some rain to wash it in ?.

Last year it was a maize crop they sprayed the field 6 weeks ago .

They is a very weedy patch with some old maize stubble, the discs are working that down , before drilling the field is about 50 rie. .

The company farm about 3000 rie in the area ,land all rented. 

[farmerjo]

4 hours ago, kickstart said:

Our local farang farming company have been shopping again ,this time for this set of disc harrows ,been having a few problems with blockage, considering we have had no rain to speak of this month they must have found a wet spot somewhere .

This set of discs was made in Thailand ,a company in Nakonsuwhun ,well-made  total of 56 discs .

One for FJ they are direct drilling a crop of maize ,and applying a 15-15-15 fertilizer ,the fertilizer is on top of the land ,waiting for some rain to wash it in ?.

Last year it was a maize crop they sprayed the field 6 weeks ago .

They is a very weedy patch with some old maize stubble, the discs are working that down , before drilling the field is about 50 rie. .

The company farm about 3000 rie in the area ,land all rented. 

Hi KS

If they are putting the fertilizer on top they must applying it pretty heavy as if you put with the seed you might run into salt problems from the fertilizer.

On top is ok except if get a week of 40 degrees weather then the nitrogen may disappear.

Nice heavy duty disc,they really need scrapers on all the disc's otherwise the blocked disc's will cause machine to ride up and not cut properly.Normally they block from turning to sharp in moist area's.They could be experimenting with the cutting angles if a new machine.

I'm lucky with my 20 disc as it's normally only two that will block and it's a 3 minute job to clear them.

The tracks are on the John Deere are taking a hammering,this company must have deep pockets????.

I notice a bit of hair pinning behind the seeded rows so be interested to see the germination but love the press wheel arrangement.

All in all very jealous of their set up.

The rain has been steady here with a good thunder storm each week supplying about an inch at a time.

On my home front all my sunn hemp has been incorporated into the rice fields so ready to plant,hopefully will be in within the next week by seeding machine if it doesn't get to wet.

My back land,will finish offset disking it tomorrow for weed control,dry the soil out and to smooth out a lot of old plow ruts.

Not ready to plant anything out there till July-August.

All the sugar and cassava in the area looks really good.

Bit of corn in and not getting as affected as last year with the fall army worm.

Part and parcel for the snakes to get on the move when a lot of dirt is turned in the area although i didn't appreciate a cobra on the front doorstep on monday night,the old dog came to the fore letting me know it was there.

 

  

[kickstart]

3 hours ago, farmerjo said:

Bit of corn in and not getting as affected as last year with the fall army worm.

Something I almost forgot about fall arm worm ,as far as I know we have none in this area ,not seen many sprayers about .

Is it due to the very early drilling done this year ?or is it waiting for more rain ,by then crops will be in flower any insect attack then could well be devastating. 

Maize crops in this area look well ,except  believe it or not 2 crops grown on  "Look-Lang" land old volcanic land full of small stones ,that dry out quickly ,looking a bit dry ,only 9 mm of rain this month.

Lot of cassava this year ,cane not doing well for the 2 years ,again looking well ,wife's daughter and son-in-law have been busy planting cassava, done well this year been busy ,went to look at their  24 rie of rice land ,still not enough rain for seed sowing  ,got the land ploughed,just waiting now .

Well off-topic,for IA how are brother in laws cattle doing ,sold them yet. 

[IsaanAussie]

9 hours ago, kickstart said:

Well off-topic,for IA how are brother in laws cattle doing ,sold them yet. 

KS all the "too peng" ones have somehow changed into straw eating natives. Now inseminating with "champion" semen at over 1000 a pop with limited success. Stunning business model 55555.

[kickstart]

Photos of the seed drill press arrangement ,do the leavers adjust the press  spacing?

Forgot to photo the make ,I would say it come the USA ,like most of they kit .

Going to irrigate the crop ,water coming from a small river back of  their land ,  they will be pumping water a bit over 1 km .

Maybe a farang owned company , but Thai management this will be the third day on this piece of land ,with the kit they have should be in out in half a day about 50 rie ,or in English money 20 acres.

[farmerjo]

2 hours ago, kickstart said:

Photos of the seed drill press arrangement ,do the leavers adjust the press  spacing?

Think it's for the downward spring tension on the press wheels.

Different soil and seeds,different packing of soil.

Yes the scale of economy seems to be out of whack with the equipment.

A tractor like that would be expected to do 2500 rai/day where i come from.It wouldn't be towing a sprinkler around.

Would be nice to have that luxury though.

Looks like they need a farang supervisor with that amount of money tied up.

Edited May 21, 2021 by farmerjo

[IsaanAussie]

1 hour ago, farmerjo said:

A tractor like that would be expected to do 2500 rai/day where i come from.It wouldn't be towing a sprinkler around.

Typical for Thai farms, either having to just make do with what you have, or it was a lot closer. Maybe it has airconditioning?

 

[kickstart]

12 hours ago, IsaanAussie said:

KS all the "too peng" ones have somehow changed into straw eating natives. Now inseminating with "champion" semen at over 1000 a pop with limited success. Stunning business model 55555.

Not surprising  only eating rice straw an infertility problem ,what happened to the Mulato II grass.

In another  thread a member posted about buying a rice trashing machine ,one idea was to provide feed for his "cows", cows  on this forum seem to be male and female ,either way his cattle if female will have the same problem  as B in L or if steers very low weight gain.

[IsaanAussie]

49 minutes ago, kickstart said:

what happened to the Mulato II grass.

Going strong

[farmerjo]

On 5/21/2021 at 10:30 PM, IsaanAussie said:

Going strong

IA

Can i pick your brain about growing jasmine rice,amount of days from plant to harvest and rainfall required for its growing season.

Any other tips.  

I would like to try some rice on my other undulating land as an experiment.

Today i went to rice research centre and bought 200 kilo's of jasmine rice @31 baht/kilo.

And am still looking for some upland variety which i will continue search for on wednesday.

So the plan is to plant the jasmine on what i consider to be the better water holding soil and the rest to the upland variety.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[IsaanAussie]

FJ,

Have a read of file below to start with. Hom Mali 105 is the rice we grow which is what I think you have purchased. Basically our growing season is 5-6 months, June through November. Best results when we have 4-8 inches of water in the paddy. 

Got to add that I haven't been involved (other than ATM) for the last two seasons which have been a disaster. I went back to Australia mid season in 2013 and came back early 2019. A very different situation now. This year we have ploughed twice to try and beat back the weeds and will do again probably before we spray and then seed. 

Last year there was no standing water in the paddy, it grew but so did the weeds and the fill rate was poor.

 

https://www.ldd.go.th/Eng-detail/Soil Management for Kao Dok Mali 105 in Organic Farm.pdf

Edited May 24, 2021 by IsaanAussie
added a few notes

[farmerjo]

2 hours ago, IsaanAussie said:

Last year there was no standing water in the paddy, it grew but so did the weeds and the fill rate was poor.

Weed control will be priority,the reason behind the approach is i find my field has moved from a grass weed field(over years) to a broadleaf weed field.

So by planting rice it will be a good chance to knock the broadleaf weeds around and get some balance back.

    

 

[kickstart]

1 hour ago, farmerjo said:

Weed control will be priority,the reason behind the approach is i find my field has moved from a grass weed field(over years) to a broadleaf weed field.

So by planting rice it will be a good chance to knock the broadleaf weeds around and get some balance back.

    

 

The grass weed Rice grass  you had does not like wet conditions ,so growing rice has all but killed it off ,as you said broadleaf weeds should be easy to knock out. 

[IsaanAussie]

10 hours ago, kickstart said:

The grass weed Rice grass  you had does not like wet conditions ,so growing rice has all but killed it off ,as you said broadleaf weeds should be easy to knock out. 

Apart from the lack of water the BIL has controlled the rice growing of late. He knows only one thing, cheapest is best. Whatever herbicide they used last year, at whatever dilution, was a waste of time and money. We will see what weeds germinate and attempt a bit more science. 

[farmerjo]

21 minutes ago, IsaanAussie said:

Apart from the lack of water the BIL has controlled the rice growing of late. He knows only one thing, cheapest is best. Whatever herbicide they used last year, at whatever dilution, was a waste of time and money. We will see what weeds germinate and attempt a bit more science. 

I understand cheapest is best,we are halfway through planting the paddy fields and i cannot budge the FIL from planting kowneo seed he picked up cheap(11 baht/kilo),looks like seconds.

My common sense says plant the superior seed i picked up in the best location which is the paddy fields and plant the kowneo in my experiment.

One thing is sure that he will continue to have the best looking paddy field bunds and forget about the important bit in the middle.You could see from the sunn hemp plants that the soil requires extra P and K in some patches but only rice seed is going out.

Hopefully 36mm of rain last night might slow the process so things come to light.

 

 

 

[IsaanAussie]

Just now, farmerjo said:

I understand cheapest is best,we are halfway through planting the paddy fields and i cannot budge the FIL from planting kowneo seed he picked up cheap(11 baht/kilo),looks like seconds.

Conversations on this are not possible. I bought some treated 105 seed once and the BIL used some carry over which he had grown some four times. He said I was stupid to pay 30baht a kg, when his was "free". I did a germination test of both to show him the difference. So what he said, he would use 5 times as much to make up the difference. Then I tried, why not sell the 5 times stuff at 9 baht, buy new seed and pocket the (45-30=15) baht difference. That would not work in Thailand, he said.

Seems "Logic" doesn't work in Thailand either!

[kickstart]

Not good photos ,saw this  evening , irrigating maize ,in April we had 264 mm of rain ,in May we had 28 mm of rain ,if we do not get any rain over the next week ,they is rain being forecasted ,but we never get any ,the locale dairy cows will be happy ,getting feed wilted maize plants.

It looked a good year to ,maize crops looking very well ,no fall army worm.

This guy had 2 sprinklers going ,must have a 6-cylinder  truck engine powering the pump ,that will be using some diesel ,but cheaper than ploughing in the crop ,it has had all the inputs ,just waiting for harvest. 

[farmerjo]

Would gladly swap you some rain.

We've had 190mm in the last 8 days.

So we are parked up waiting for it to dry out.

On a positive all the dams are full and the creek is flowing giving confidence for the later planted crops.

 

[IsaanAussie]

Our rice is in and like Kickstart we await some rain. 

We ploughed twice over a month and that took care of most of the weeds. Used the rotary to put in the rice. Preemergent herbicide a few days after planting.

Fingers crossed. 

[farmerjo]

9 hours ago, IsaanAussie said:

Preemergent herbicide a few days after planting.

While it's been raining cats and dogs here i've been thinking my strategy on the pre emergence herbicide.

In an ideal world my choice would have been a paraquat/oxadiazon mix the day before planting to kill surface weeds  then seed.

Since paraquat is no longer around and glyphosate wouldn't have time to work it looks like seed first then just spray oxadiazon after weather permitting following up after a month with some 2-4d.

I'm just worried about erosion with the tram lines from the sprayer after seeding.

Going to have a crack at getting some into tomorrow.

 

[IsaanAussie]

22 hours ago, farmerjo said:

While it's been raining cats and dogs here i've been thinking my strategy on the pre emergence herbicide.

In an ideal world my choice would have been a paraquat/oxadiazon mix the day before planting to kill surface weeds  then seed.

Since paraquat is no longer around and glyphosate wouldn't have time to work it looks like seed first then just spray oxadiazon after weather permitting following up after a month with some 2-4d.

I'm just worried about erosion with the tram lines from the sprayer after seeding.

Going to have a crack at getting some into tomorrow.

 

Yar Koom (whatever that means). Smells like 2-4D to me, but I am almost over trying to find answers. Or maybe I just do not need to know. There was a buying spree for the farm shop prior to the bans and I doubt they have a stock out yet. Shhhhhh!