OA Retirement Visa re-entry Permit question

[miketu]

Hey guys, how far in advance can I apply for a re-entry permit with an OA Retirement visa? 

I have to leave Thailand for a few weeks on 23 January so I'll need to get a Re-Entry permit to re-enter the country in February to keep my OA Retirement visa valid.  I'd like to go ahead and apply for it now at Immigration to get that out of the way, but I'm not sure if now is too early

 

Thanks!

Mike

[muffy]

You can get it at the airport , or anytime .

 

[miketu]

1 minute ago, muffy said:

You can get it at the airport , or anytime .

 

Thanks, can I go to a local Immigration office for Cha Am and get it also?

[elviajero]

You can get it from your local immigration anytime. Recommend.

 

Or you can get it at the airport on the way out.

[miketu]

1 minute ago, elviajero said:

You can get it from your local immigration anytime. Recommend.

 

Or you can get it at the airport on the way out.

great, thanks

[DrJack54]

5 hours ago, miketu said:

great, thanks

I'm confused. I was of the understanding that O-A is a multi entry visa. Check but I think you don't need a reentry permit. BTW , I always do mine at airport. Breeze.

[jacko45k]

19 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I'm confused. I was of the understanding that O-A is a multi entry visa. Check but I think you don't need a reentry permit. BTW , I always do mine at airport. Breeze.

You are correct, but if the OP plans to return to Thailand beyond the O-A Visa expiration date a re-entry permit will be needed to keep his current permission to stay date. 

[DrJack54]

3 hours ago, jacko45k said:

You are correct, but if the OP plans to return to Thailand beyond the O-A Visa expiration date a re-entry permit will be needed to keep his current permission to stay date. 

Oh yes, I overlooked his dates. Thanks for clarification

[overherebc]

4 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

I'm confused. I was of the understanding that O-A is a multi entry visa. Check but I think you don't need a reentry permit. BTW , I always do mine at airport. Breeze.

Multi entry for the initial year, the second year after enter by it becomes an extension of stay so needs re-entry permits.

[ubonjoe]

6 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Multi entry for the initial year, the second year after enter by it becomes an extension of stay so needs re-entry permits.

It is one year permit to stay allowed by the visa not an extension of stay that requires a re-entry permit after the visa expires.

The extension of stay does not have to be applied for until near the end of the last one year entry from the visa.

[overherebc]

14 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It is one year permit to stay allowed by the visa not an extension of stay that requires a re-entry permit after the visa expires.

The extension of stay does not have to be applied for until near the end of the last one year entry from the visa.

Can we agree it comes under the same re-entry permit requirements as an extension of stay or/and 90 day reporting

[ubonjoe]

7 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Can we agree it comes under the same re-entry permit requirements as an extension of stay or/and 90 day reporting

Calling an entry from a visa an extension is confusing. Some people even call getting a new entry from multiple entry tourist and non immigrant visas and extension. Some even call getting a new visa exempt entry an extension.

[overherebc]

18 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Calling an entry from a visa an extension is confusing. Some people even call getting a new entry from multiple entry tourist and non immigrant visas and extension. Some even call getting a new visa exempt entry an extension.

And even Imm' call an extension a retirement visa just to add to the confusion.

????

[miketu]

7 hours ago, jacko45k said:

You are correct, but if the OP plans to return to Thailand beyond the O-A Visa expiration date a re-entry permit will be needed to keep his current permission to stay date. 

Now I'm confused.  Here is what the Thailand Embassy site in Washington D.C. says about OA re-entry:

 

"Upon arrival, holder of this type of visa will be permitted to stay in Thailand for 1 year from the date of first entry. During the one-year period, if he or she wishes to leave and re-enter the country, he or she is required to apply at the Immigration office for re-entry permit (single or multiple) before departure. In the case of leaving the country without a re-entry permit, the permit to stay for 1 year shall be considered void."

 

URL:  http://thaiembdc.org/consular-services/non-immigrant-visas/non-immigrant-category-oa/

 

I entered Thailand on 17 November 2018.  My OA visa is valid until 17 October 2019.

From reading the Thai Embassy quote above, it looks like I do need a re-entry permit to leave Thailand during the first year of the OA visa.  I think it's saying that before I leave on my 23 January 2019 trip I have to get a re-entry permit to keep my OA visa valid so I can re-enter the country in February 2019 on the OA visa. (??)

 

(If possible I'll apply for a multiple entry re-entry permit before leaving Thailand on my 23 January 2019 trip so I  can extend the visa validity for a 2nd year.)

 

 

[ubonjoe]

13 minutes ago, miketu said:

Now I'm confused.  Here is what the Thailand Embassy site in Washington D.C. says about OA re-entry:

 

That is just old outdated info that is for a single entry OA visa that are no longer issued. They have only issued multiple entry OA visas for many years.

16 minutes ago, miketu said:

I entered Thailand on 17 November 2018.  My OA visa is valid until 17 October 2019.

You will not need a re-entry permit until after October 17th 2019. Or before if you leave the country before that date and plan on entering after tha day.

[overherebc]

22 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

That is just old outdated info that is for a single entry OA visa that are no longer issued. They have only issued multiple entry OA visas for many years.

You will not need a re-entry permit until after October 17th 2019. Or before if you leave the country before that date and plan on entering after tha day.

Just to clear up a thought.

Is the enter by/use by date on the visa Oct 17 2019 or is it the stamp in your passport?

[ubonjoe]

11 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Is the enter by/use by date on the visa Oct 17 2019 or is it the stamp in your passport?

He wrote this.

57 minutes ago, miketu said:

I entered Thailand on 17 November 2018.  My OA visa is valid until 17 October 2019.

 

[overherebc]

29 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

He wrote this.

 

Just want to get my head around the OA as I might go that route next year.

So the visa enter by date looks like 17 oct 2019.

Stamped in until say 16 nov 2019 ish one month after enter by date.

Have to assume never left and did only 90 day reports.

So, my question for my info' is

Would the second year of permission to stay be granted during that last month with re-entry permit, or, only up to and including 17 Oct 2019?

 

[ubonjoe]

13 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Would the second year of permission to stay be granted during that last month with re-entry permit, or, only up to and including 17 Oct 2019?

If an entry was done on the October 17th  2019 you would get a permit to stay date of October 16th 2020. Then you would need a re-entry permit to keep that last entry valid.

A OA visa is no different than the multiple entry non-o visas you have been getting other that it allows one year entries instead of 90 days.

[overherebc]

eg

Issue date 1/1/2019, enter by 

31/12/2019.

Enter 1/1/2019 get valid entry until 30/12/2019 and do 90 day reports as required.

Leave and enter 1/6/2019 get valid entry until 31/5/2020. No re-entry permit required. Carry on with 90 day reports.

Leave and enter 1/4/2020 with re-entry permit then will only be stamped in until 31/5/2020.

Then you have to apply for an extension of stay or back to home country for a new OA Visa.

 

[miketu]

3 hours ago, overherebc said:

Just to clear up a thought.

Is the enter by/use by date on the visa Oct 17 2019 or is it the stamp in your passport?

it's the "Valid Until" date on the visa.

[miketu]

1 minute ago, miketu said:

it's the "Valid Until" date on the visa.

Also on my Visa below the "NO OF ENTRY" it says "MULTIPLE".   

So does this mean I can leave Thailand on 23 Jan. for three weeks and will not have to obtain a Re-entry Permit before leaving??

[overherebc]

1 minute ago, miketu said:

it's the "Valid Until" date on the visa.

Ok so if you want to get a two year life from the visa you will need to leave and return on or before that date then you will get a new one year entry. You won't need a re-entry permit at that time.

During the second year you will need a re-entry and will keep that second year 'alive.'

[overherebc]

5 minutes ago, miketu said:

Also on my Visa below the "NO OF ENTRY" it says "MULTIPLE".   

So does this mean I can leave Thailand on 23 Jan. for three weeks and will not have to obtain a Re-entry Permit before leaving??

Until that date, valid until, you get one year every time you leave and return and no re-entry permit required.

[miketu]

2 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Ok so if you want to get a two year life from the visa you will need to leave and return on or before that date then you will get a new one year entry. You won't need a re-entry permit at that time.

During the second year you will need a re-entry and will keep that second year 'alive.'

ok thanks

[overherebc]

7 minutes ago, miketu said:

ok thanks

It's similar to my multi O that is valid til 19/4/2019. 

We will go to UK in March 2019 and return around 16/4/2019 and I will get another 90 days so that will take me till around 14/7/2019 no re-entry required.

[elviajero]

1 hour ago, miketu said:

it's the "Valid Until" date on the visa.

“Enter before”

 

59 minutes ago, miketu said:

Also on my Visa below the "NO OF ENTRY" it says "MULTIPLE".   

So does this mean I can leave Thailand on 23 Jan. for three weeks and will not have to obtain a Re-entry Permit before leaving??

 

The “enter before” date printed on the visa is the last day you can use the visa to enter the country.

 

Every time you enter — on or before — the “enter before” date you receive a new 1 year permit to stay.

 

As long as — when you leave in January —you’re returning to the country before the “enter before” date you can use the visa, get a new 1 year stay, and don’t need a re-entry permit.

 

 

[AAArdvark]

On 12/7/2018 at 1:58 AM, miketu said:

Now I'm confused.  Here is what the Thailand Embassy site in Washington D.C. says about OA re-entry:

 

"Upon arrival, holder of this type of visa will be permitted to stay in Thailand for 1 year from the date of first entry. During the one-year period, if he or she wishes to leave and re-enter the country, he or she is required to apply at the Immigration office for re-entry permit (single or multiple) before departure. In the case of leaving the country without a re-entry permit, the permit to stay for 1 year shall be considered void."

 

URL:  http://thaiembdc.org/consular-services/non-immigrant-visas/non-immigrant-category-oa/

 

I entered Thailand on 17 November 2018.  My OA visa is valid until 17 October 2019.

From reading the Thai Embassy quote above, it looks like I do need a re-entry permit to leave Thailand during the first year of the OA visa.  I think it's saying that before I leave on my 23 January 2019 trip I have to get a re-entry permit to keep my OA visa valid so I can re-enter the country in February 2019 on the OA visa. (??)

 

(If possible I'll apply for a multiple entry re-entry permit before leaving Thailand on my 23 January 2019 trip so I  can extend the visa validity for a 2nd year.)

 

 

I'm confused too.  Reading the statement from the Embassy, it says "1 year from the date of first entry" but you entered in November and it is only valid until October.  Is this another bit of old information?

[overherebc]

10 minutes ago, AAArdvark said:

I'm confused too.  Reading the statement from the Embassy, it says "1 year from the date of first entry" but you entered in November and it is only valid until October.  Is this another bit of old information?

Embassies around the world are very good at posting out of date or totally wrong information.

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, AAArdvark said:

I'm confused too.  Reading the statement from the Embassy, it says "1 year from the date of first entry" but you entered in November and it is only valid until October.  Is this another bit of old information?

No his Visa is only valid until October, he did not state what his Permission to Stay stamp date was, but if the IO got it correct, it should be 16 Nov 2019.