China calls on Canada to free Huawei CFO or face consequences

[ExpatOilWorker]

Within a week some innocent Canadian or American CEO working in China will be arrested on some fictive charges. 

[sirineou]

18 minutes ago, Kiwiken said:

So you want a hot war? I hope you are willing to sacrifice your Grandchildren. China is demanding no less than other Countries do. Just that China has more clout. If the person detained was a European or British the respective Governments would demand the same.

The difference is if China applies financial thumb screws Canada will suffer badly.

What nonsense.

Other countries nationals are detained all the time for alleged crimes they have committed. Carlos Ghosn  Renault's CEO .a French national is arrested in Japan for allegedly violating Japanese tax laws. France did not threaten Japan to release him with . He will have his day in court and if innocent release him with his name cleared. 

  China is not excluded from international laws, if  Meng Wanzhou is guilty as a good world citizen China should support her prosecution and if not guilty look forward to clearing her name and China's reputation. 

[Briggsy]

2 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Within a week some innocent Canadian or American CEO working in China will be arrested on some fictive charges. 

Entirely possible but consider this.

 

U.S. nationals of Chinese ethnicity are being held in detention illegally or family members prevented from leaving China due to the Chinese state wanting to pressure U.S. nationals who are ethnic Chinese currently not in China.

 

You have painted this as "China will retaliate in an underhand, illegal, retaliatory manner". I would say China already behaves in a manner far outside anything considered rule of law in a Western country. However they seemed to have pretty much limited their detentions to those of Chinese ethnicity so far. The obvious exceptions are the white Australian casino executives. Perhaps, as you say, this will change. I certainly would not rule it out.

[stevenl]

28 minutes ago, sirineou said:

What nonsense.

Other countries nationals are detained all the time for alleged crimes they have committed. Carlos Ghosn  Renault's CEO .a French national is arrested in Japan for allegedly violating Japanese tax laws. France did not threaten Japan to release him with . He will have his day in court and if innocent release him with his name cleared. 

  China is not excluded from international laws, if  Meng Wanzhou is guilty as a good world citizen China should support her prosecution and if not guilty look forward to clearing her name and China's reputation. 

He allegedly violated Japanese law and was arrested in Japan. The accusations here at far less clear, the cause is far less clear and the thought that politics play a part here may be wrong or right, but is not unreasonable.

[zydeco]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Why would Thailand have to pick a side?

Because Thailand is already on the way to becoming a Chinese owned subsidiary for manufacturing.  If the tariff regime tightens, it will apply to Chinese attempts to circumvent it through Chinese companies operating in Thailand and other SE Asian countries. Yes, Thailand will need to decide if it is a de facto region belonging to China (like Laos and Cambodia) or a nation allied with democratic powers.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, zydeco said:

Because Thailand is already on the way to becoming a Chinese owned subsidiary for manufacturing.  If the tariff regime tightens, it will apply to Chinese attempts to circumvent it through Chinese companies operating in Thailand and other SE Asian countries. Yes, Thailand will need to decide if it is a de facto region belonging to China (like Laos and Cambodia) or a nation allied with democratic powers.

With the ownership structures here that is a non issue for Thailand.

[sirineou]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

He allegedly violated Japanese law and was arrested in Japan. The accusations here at far less clear, the cause is far less clear and the thought that politics play a part here may be wrong or right, but is not unreasonable.

Ghosn  was an example, the particular to his case are inconsequential except to the point you made concerning politics. Of course politics  are involved ,no doubt about that,  It would be a foolish politician that does not use all leverage available to him/her, as necessary.

 Politics do not detract or add to the basic facts concerning the case,politics  are simply leverage means to a separate goal, The fact remains that Huawei was licensed technology, and allegedly  abused itls licensing agreement. If China had licensed technology to the US and the US had abused their licence China would have every right to pursue remedy.  Otherwise what is the value of any agreement?  

[sammieuk1]

The severe consequences could include flooding your country with fakes and plastic tat so be warned????

[sirineou]

China needs to realise that the cowboy days are over, they were looked at  the other way while China was allowed to grow and enter the family of nations. Now that its has grown it is time to be held to grownup standards.

[Hank Gunn]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

He allegedly violated Japanese law and was arrested in Japan. The accusations here at far less clear, the cause is far less clear and the thought that politics play a part here may be wrong or right, but is not unreasonable.

Actually, the accusations here are a lot more clear if you do a little research/reading.

From a WSJ article, Canadian Authorities Arrest CFO of Huawei Technologies at US Request:

"

In 2007, Ms. Meng served as a board secretary for a Huawei holding company that owned Skycom Tech, a Hong Kong company with business in Iran and employees who said they worked for “Huawei-Skycom,” according to a person familiar with the matter.

U.S. authorities have suspected Huawei’s alleged involvement in Iranian sanctions violations since at least 2016, when the U.S. investigated ZTE Corp., Huawei’s smaller Chinese rival, over similar allegations."

 

From another article in the WSJ: Huawei Under Criminal Investigation Over Iran Sanctions

 

”Last year, Huawei rival ZTE agreed to pay $892 million in penaltiesimposed by the Justice, Commerce and Treasury departments related to sanctions busting. The company pleaded guilty and admitted it violated a law that controls the export of sensitive goods by shipping U.S. telecom equipment to Iran.”

[TGIR]

I don't understand why China or a Chinese company is obligated legally to comply with U.S. Sanctions on Iran........dumb, I know, but none the less this whole idea of imposing sanctions and making others comply with them seems somehow a little weird.  What give the U.S. or Canada the legal right to arrest and detain another country's citizens.......yeah, yeah, I know it's done the other way around but already know China only subjects it self to it's own laws......just like the U.S.

[janclaes47]

1 minute ago, TGIR said:

I don't understand why China or a Chinese company is obligated legally to comply with U.S. Sanctions on Iran........dumb, I know, but none the less this whole idea of imposing sanctions and making others comply with them seems somehow a little weird.  What give the U.S. or Canada the legal right to arrest and detain another country's citizens.......yeah, yeah, I know it's done the other way around but already know China only subjects it self to it's own laws......just like the U.S.

The US has all rights to sanction where US origin products get exported to.

[Banana7]

China is extremely anxious to get her back to China quickly- in fact too demanding and anxious. They now realize that they have lost a major "chess piece".

 

It is highly probable that Canada will try to extradite her based on the demands of DOJ. However, once the extradition order is signed, she will be in immediate grave danger until she is safely in USA.

 

Perhaps Chinese agents are already formulating plans to prevent her arrival in USA and this why they want her out on bail. To make their job easier.

 

The real reason China is so desperate maybe that once she in USA custody, she will reveal many "secrets" about Huawei equipment. Could some of those secrets be exactly why the Australia has banned all Huawei equipment, and why all USA government personal cannot use Huawei equipment?

 

Her husband is in Canada already, her sons are in USA, so most of her immediate family is out of China. Her father remains in China, and may end-up being forced to plead her to return, so he doesn't get an early grave.

[janclaes47]

11 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

China is extremely anxious to get her back to China quickly- in fact too demanding and anxious. They now realize that they have lost a major "chess piece".

 

It is highly probable that Canada will try to extradite her based on the demands of DOJ. However, once the extradition order is signed, she will be in immediate grave danger until she is safely in USA.

 

Perhaps Chinese agents are already formulating plans to prevent her arrival in USA and this why they want her out on bail. To make their job easier.

 

The real reason China is so desperate maybe that once she in USA custody, she will reveal many "secrets" about Huawei equipment. Could some of those secrets be exactly why the Australia has banned all Huawei equipment, and why all USA government personal cannot use Huawei equipment?

 

Her husband is in Canada already, her sons are in USA, so most of her immediate family is out of China. Her father remains in China, and may end-up being forced to plead her to return, so he doesn't get an early grave.

I don't think they do water boarding for trade violations

[Banana7]

11 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

I don't think they do water boarding for trade violations

Her exposure is about 100 years in prison for those trade violations. No water boarding necessary. She will be willing and eager to reveal all to get a reduced/no sentence, upsetting the balance of the "electronic war",  and to live in a free democracy .

 

 

 

 

[Prissana Pescud]

17 hours ago, YetAnother said:

perfectly said; applies to all dealings with them

As opposed to US tarrifs emposed. Get real.

[janclaes47]

23 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

Her exposure is about 100 years in prison for those trade violations.

Maybe you should inform yourself a bit before trying to sound knowledgeable.

 

 

 

In urging the court to reject Meng's bail request, Gibb-Carsley said the Huawei executive had vast resources and a strong incentive to bolt: She's facing fraud charges in the United States that could put her in prison for 30 years.

 

[Pattaya46]

16 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

45 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

Her exposure is about 100 years in prison for those trade violations.

Maybe you should inform yourself a bit before trying to sound knowledgeable. //

She's facing fraud charges in the United States that could put her in prison for 30 years.

??

The Tweet that you quoted says :

"Multiples charges each with a maximum penalty of 30 years in prison"

So just 3 charges could already make 90 years... 4 could make 120 years...

[janclaes47]

10 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

??

The Tweet that you quoted says :

"Multiples charges each with a maximum penalty of 30 years in prison"

So just 3 charges could already make 90 years... 4 could make 120 years...

You probably never heard about concurrent or consecutive sentencing

[Pattaya46]

3 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

You probably never heard about concurrent or consecutive sentencing

I did, but seems to me that many verdicts in USA give "consecutive" sentences.

Always found funny to hear about people condemned for 100 or 200 years 

[tonbridgebrit]

20 hours ago, zydeco said:

Trade war is becoming an even hotter war. As it must be, if China is to be stopped in time. And, yes, Thailand must pick a side this time, China or US.

Thailand must pick a side ?  I think Thailand chose China a few years ago.   ????

[Stargeezr]

This woman has property in Canada, and I wonder how often she or her family will ever visit or trust the Government in the future?

Geezer

[BritManToo]

22 hours ago, meinphuket said:

With China kidnapping book store sellers (one with Swedish passport) and writers from Hong Kong, Thailand. Illegally holding US passport holders as blackmail for their father to return. Numerous dissidents locked up and disappeared,  1 million Uighurs in detention, who are they to claim human rights violations of this woman ? A company found on copied technology.  Time to teach this arrogant lot a good lesson.

Great idea, does Canada have nuclear weapons?

[bristolboy]

16 hours ago, Kiwiken said:

So you want a hot war? I hope you are willing to sacrifice your Grandchildren. China is demanding no less than other Countries do. Just that China has more clout. If the person detained was a European or British the respective Governments would demand the same.

The difference is if China applies financial thumb screws Canada will suffer badly.

No, other Western nations wouldn't do the same. This isn't the first time that a suspect in a criminal case has been detained at an airport at the request of another nation. 

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, tonbridgebrit said:

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/huawei-phones-broadband-and-sat-nav/mobile-phones-and-accessories/mobile-phones/362_3412_32041_32969_xx/xx-criteria.html

And back home in England, are people suppose to stop buying Huawei mobile phones ??

No. But the UK government would be crazy to allow Huawei to bid on equipping its network. That's an obvious security threat.

[bristolboy]

49 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Great idea, does Canada have nuclear weapons?

So anything short of nuclear war doesn't count?

[FritsSikkink]

23 hours ago, meinphuket said:

With China kidnapping book store sellers (one with Swedish passport) and writers from Hong Kong, Thailand. Illegally holding US passport holders as blackmail for their father to return. Numerous dissidents locked up and disappeared,  1 million Uighurs in detention, who are they to claim human rights violations of this woman ? A company found on copied technology.  Time to teach this arrogant lot a good lesson.

Hong Kong is part of China.

[FritsSikkink]

16 hours ago, stevenl said:

Why would Thailand have to pick a side?

 

16 hours ago, Briggsy said:

 I would say China already behaves in a manner far outside anything considered rule of law in a Western country. 

Does Guantanamo ring a bell?

[Morch]

22 hours ago, Jonmarleesco said:

US sanctions, not Chinese sanctions.

 

Products sold contained US tech. Conditions on providing this tech to sanctioned parties would apply.

 

[Moo 2]

When China is going to learn not to interfere with other countries' affairs. Mr Xi, do you know that most developed western countries don't like and don't trust China. If you want to bully Canada, you will have to bully

the US, Australia, the EU, some Latino countries and some African countries, in my book that end up with about the same amount of people as China. You want to fight, go for it Mr. Xi.