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Posted
49 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

You may well be right.  So why are hardcore Brexiteers so against consulting the people again?????

For the same reason that Waddle and Pearce weren't given 'peoples penalties' in 1990.

Posted
1 minute ago, billd766 said:

Why not finish the first referendum before starting another?

Imagine you sit together with your family in your small kitchen. And you all think about your new house. It will be a big house with a big swimming pool, marble everywhere and all the trimmings. There and then you all decide: That's what we all agree, let's do it.

And then, after you get your first quotations, you realize that your dream won't happen. It all sounded good but it was simply unrealistic.

So what do you do now? Hold on to that unrealistic dream? Somehow we will make it, we just have to make a better deal with the construction company?

Or maybe does it make sense to think again about realistic options - even if that dream felt that good.

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Posted
22 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

Can't quite come to grips with what you posted. These rioters are not representative of anyone.

They burned cars, smashed up small businesses, looted, threw petrol bombs, stopped people from going about their lawful business. Actually they do represent something. They represent the right wing neo nazis, the anarchists and losers. Suggest you don a flouro shirt and join them. Maybe some pepper spray and tear gas may make you see reality.

To help you get a grip: We're not talking about the Giletes Jaunes. We are referring to the British working class and Brexiteers in the video clip.

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Posted
15 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It's amazing reading the posts here.

Some suggest Davis or Raab should negotiate a better deal.

Didn't they have that job already? Why didn't they come up with such a better deal?

 

I am sure lots of people would love to know which better deals are out there. And please not any deals with cakes and cherries and unicorns. Real deals which are realistic and which would have a chance to be approved by the EU and the UK.

 

Come on all your experts, where are your realistic deals? Or maybe just one realistic deal which the UK parliament and the EU would sign. Bring it on!

Precisely.  There is no better deal until the uk declares that it is LEAVING!

 

Only then will the eu start genuinely negotiating.

 

Sadly, all (?) MPs (even purportedly leavers....) are saying that the uk needs to re-negotiate.....  Completely pointless as has already been proven.....

 

Edit - Sorry for largely duplicate post, but TV is playing up again - so I re-wrote the post (from memory) to include an additional point.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

You're missing the point that we already know that the eu has no intention of genuinely negotiating until the uk declares that it is LEAVING.

 

Edit - At the moment it knows that uk politicians have no intention of leaving - as proven by May's 'leave in name only deal - or accept there will be no brexit'!

Please describe how your preferred deal would look like which you think the UK and the EU would sign. Where do you think would the EU make amendments which they currently say they won't do?

As far as I see the EU might be willing to make some small more or less cosmetic amendments. But they are all by far not big enough to convince the UK parliament.

What do you suggest?

Posted
3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Precisely.  There is no better deal until the uk declares that it is LEAVING!

 

Only then will the eu start genuinely negotiating.

 

Sadly, all (?) MPs (even purportedly leavers....) are saying that the uk needs to re-negotiate.....  Completely pointless as has already been proven.....

The UK has already declared that it leaves, if I am not mistaken. How would this scare the EU into re-negotiations now? 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, damascase said:

The UK has already declared that it leaves, if I am not mistaken. How would this scare the EU into re-negotiations now? 

No, May is now saying it is either accept her 'leave in name only' 'deal', including paying 39bn for the privilege..... or accept that there will be no brexit!

 

There is clearly no reason at all for the eu to re-negotiate - unless it is to help the govt. pursue it's agenda of 'leave in name only' with a 39bn payment to the eu.... - but in a way that the uk govt. can possibly sell to the electorate....

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Posted
9 minutes ago, damascase said:

The UK has already declared that it leaves, if I am not mistaken. How would this scare the EU into re-negotiations now? 

They don't believe the UK will do it.

And I agree with their belief, none of the people in power wants to leave.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, steve73 said:

The referendum voted out... That is what our elected members of parliament (and non-elected ministers & lords) must do if democracy is to be upheld... Not half out, or a little bit out, or mostly out, but totally OUT.

If there is a desire to "get back in" in some areas, then these can be negotiated from the new position of being out, assuming both the EU and the UK consider there are some mutual benefits in doing so, but tying to salvage some parts whilst trying to extricate the UK from others will always lead to conflict - as we are seeing.

I would even go so far as to say that in perhaps a decade or so of going it alone, if the UK wanted to rejoin, then (probably following another referendum) we could reapply, on the then going terms, or if in the event that fish-face (or others) have managed to devolve Scotland or other regions, then they also could apply in their own right.

...assuming of course that the EU still actually exists at that time.

A failure to enact the democratic choice of its people creates a situation where we are no better than a dictatorship (or probably better described as a many headed "Hydra"torship. In that event, all vestige or appearance of freedom is lost. Perhaps sadly, it is already too late...!
 

the UK parliamentary system has been likened to an elective dictator ship for a term of years

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Good to see that the Boris and the Brexiteers still haven’t returned from cloud cuckoo land. Renegotiate the deal? With whom? Would that be the same people that offered the easiest deal in history? 

 

If it wasn’t so sad for all the sane and reasonable people, some who we know personally, I would say this circus is quite amusing. Almost three years real life soap opera now; like the Truman Show recorded in a mental home and whole Europe can watch some nutters discussing how they will build castles in the sky. 

 

 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Grouse said:

Europe has just agreed that the U.K. May remain with all rebates and opt-outs in place. Excellent news! Now that IS A GREAT DEAL! It fixes everything for everyone. We even get to avoid paying a 39B lump sum! ????

did you think they would rule otherwise

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Posted
9 hours ago, Prissana Pescud said:

Well, one reason the EU would renegotiate is because other than Britain, some northern countries and Germany, most of the other EU countries are basket cases.

Take a close look at the economies of Greece, Italy, France, most of the eastern countries. These are basket cases and the EU should be thinking of ways to get rid of them.

 Belgium is now in almost open revolt at EU policies and more countries will follow. The EU ideal is dead as is to be expected from such diverse economies as anarchist Italy, Greece and France and stable, staple, moderate countries such as Germany, Scandinavia and Britain.

The  EU needs Britain, not the other way around.

Happy days are here again..

She's leaving now, bye bye.

You don't have a monopoly on very old tunes.

Send your comment on fool's Day again. 

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Posted
31 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Europe has just agreed that the U.K. May remain with all rebates and opt-outs in place. Excellent news! Now that IS A GREAT DEAL! It fixes everything for everyone. We even get to avoid paying a 39B lump sum! ????

...is why it's unlikely to gain any traction.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

 

ahhhh! what a relief, a heavy burden fell from my shoulders

 

yet another Brexit thread, have been desperately waiting for that ....

ah for you to join

?

Posted
2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

"Retire Theresa May; plenty of little seats waiting for people like her in Brussels"

 

Not if we brexit.....


Well, she tried to bend the referendum result but failed. Maybe Junker and his alcoholis have a  back row for such failed cases. Smaller seats but still comfortable considering the productivity of those in the back and front seats ???? 

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Posted
2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

 

What photo?

 

"maybe I was generalising a bit"

 

A bit?!!

 

You were pursuing the typical remainer line that anyone who supports leave is "far-right, neo-Nazi, Islamophobic, racist, xenophobes"!!!

The photo of the extreme right wing "Tommy Robinson" march in the post I quoted.

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