This is a sensitive subject to some so dont take it the wrong  way, o

 

Im only 50 so hopefully i have another 30 years before i leave this earth but those of you who are 80 plus , or even over 75 ,  have you planned for your end of life, Wills, funeral etc ,or are you avoiding this?

 

and can i ask those farangs who have married a thai lady but have kids in your farang Country whether you are leaving them something in your Will or made arrangements with them about your death., 

 

Are you planning to remain in a Thailand when and if you get sick and plan to have a funeral?

 

how have you planned this ? Or you havent 

 

I know some of you will avoid this subject just like my late father who refused to talk about it but you will eventually have to especially if your near 80 where you will in all probality you will not be here in 10 years.

 

That may be tough to hear i know but in all reality most of yiu wont be here in 10 years time if your 75 plus and so need some planning , 

 

I have heard farangs who have passed away and their kids or family in farangland only found out a year later after enquiring abiut them,

 

Are you doing anything more now in your advanced years ?  travelling, etc because you have limited time? 

 

I know a gay farang who has sold a shophouse in Jomtien that he bought about 12 years ago because he said at 76yo he woukd rather spend the money and rent than leave it to his nephews in the UK

 

 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

Are you planning for your “ End life”

No because I'm not dead yet.

I could live to 100+,you could be run over tomorrow and die at 50,

how do you plan for that,you can only take it one day at a time.

regards worgeordie

Well OP,

Answering some questions

 

I do not have a planned end of life but do have my affairs in order for wife and others.

 

As of this date and time I plan on being oven baked to a crisp here.

 

I do however plan on dying before I get old.  No way I am hanging around to wear diapers, drool and burden others.  Nor do I want to be like the numerous coffin dodger foreigners I see shuffling around with their Thai wife keeping them steady and upright.  Quality of life means everything to me.  

 

Oh and btw, why call it Farangland.  Just call it as it is.  

 

Cheers

OK what are the best options for making a will ?

Click on classifieds then click legal.  Lady who speaks English.  I just found her..

8 hours ago, JAFO said:

Well OP,

Answering some questions

 

I do not have a planned end of life but do have my affairs in order for wife and others.

 

As of this date and time I plan on being oven baked to a crisp here.

 

I do however plan on dying before I get old.  No way I am hanging around to wear diapers, drool and burden others.  Nor do I want to be like the numerous coffin dodger foreigners I see shuffling around with their Thai wife keeping them steady and upright.  Quality of life means everything to me.  

 

Oh and btw, why call it Farangland.  Just call it as it is.  

 

Cheers

I hear you. Thinking along the same lines.

Unfortunately few countries allow for an assisted, controlled "exit". And if, then linked to "terminal illness".
So, a reasoning like: "I have lived my life, have seen and done it all, my existence has only become a burden for me and my family, I would prefer to leave the stage now", will not be sufficient to qualify for an assisted, controlled "exit". A concept worthy of civilized societies one would think.

Far better than having Farangs jumping off high-rise buildings in Pattaya, them yelling "I want my money back" on the way down. Me thinks.

Other than that: As long as there is somebody around that you like/love, to set up a valid Will beforehand is nothing less than common sense.

10 hours ago, swissie said:

I hear you. Thinking along the same lines.

Unfortunately few countries allow for an assisted, controlled "exit". And if, then linked to "terminal illness".
So, a reasoning like: "I have lived my life, have seen and done it all, my existence has only become a burden for me and my family, I would prefer to leave the stage now", will not be sufficient to qualify for an assisted, controlled "exit". A concept worthy of civilized societies one would think.

Far better than having Farangs jumping off high-rise buildings in Pattaya, them yelling "I want my money back" on the way down. Me thinks.

Other than that: As long as there is somebody around that you like/love, to set up a valid Will beforehand is nothing less than common sense.

Agree with you Swissie,

One thing good though, there are numerous ways to assist oneself when the time comes. One does not have to do a swan dive off a balcony in Pattaya or BKK to call it. Seems messy and desperate. 

 

There are very pleasant ways to exit (without the mess and burden to clean up crews) when as you stated above feel you have lived a fulfilled life and the time is right. 

 

I bought a condo on the 20th floor, sorted.

21 hours ago, JAFO said:

Agree with you Swissie,

One thing good though, there are numerous ways to assist oneself when the time comes. One does not have to do a swan dive off a balcony in Pattaya or BKK to call it. Seems messy and desperate. 

 

There are very pleasant ways to exit (without the mess and burden to clean up crews) when as you stated above feel you have lived a fulfilled life and the time is right. 

 

 

Yes, but many people are weak, selfish and lack the courage to take their own life. 

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

 

Yes, but many people are weak, selfish and lack the courage to take their own life. 

We need to be clear in using words like weak, selfish or courage. True many will not or cannot. It does take courage and a level of self awareness to come to the point where the person knows they are incapable of taking care of them self or are in such grave pain its unbearable. Their quality of life is gone and they have become a significant burden to others. While nobody wants to die, we all do.

 

IMHO, there is a huge difference between committing suicide or ending ones life. 

We need to be clear in using words like weak, selfish or courage. True many will not or cannot. It does take courage and a level of self awareness to come to the point where the person knows they are incapable of taking care of them self or are in such grave pain its unbearable. Their quality of life is gone and they have become a significant burden to others. While nobody wants to die, we all do.
 
IMHO, there is a huge difference between committing suicide or ending ones life. 

I’m sorry, I thought I was clear. I think it takes courage to end one’s own life, I think it weak and selfish to ask someone else to do it for them.

So what is the difference between suicide ending one’s life?

On 12/27/2018 at 11:46 AM, JAFO said:

Agree with you Swissie,

One thing good though, there are numerous ways to assist oneself when the time comes. One does not have to do a swan dive off a balcony in Pattaya or BKK to call it. Seems messy and desperate. 

 

There are very pleasant ways to exit (without the mess and burden to clean up crews) when as you stated above feel you have lived a fulfilled life and the time is right. 

 

Any suggestions on how to do that? 

I have discussed this with my wife, I only said to her last night "I want to be cremated", she said you'll have to wait untill tomorrow, they are closed right now.

Before retiring I managed several funeral homes and cemeteries in the US and met with over 3500 families that had lost loved ones to death. Most people do not have a plan in place and have not prepared a Last Will and Testament, and I can tell you first hand of the horror stories that I have experienced with these families. In my opinion the most cruel thing a man can do is refuse to plan and leave a mess for the family to wade through after he is gone. No matter what you have done in your life that you think is worthy, it will all be forgotten and your legacy will be that you were a total "ass" for not thinking ahead about taking care of your family and lessening their burden. Many of them will despise you forever. For God's sake leave a packet of instructions so that your next-of-kin can settle your estate.

 

I have spent days and weeks preparing a packet of detailed instructions for my wife. I have a Thai Will for my estate in the Kingdom, a Will for my estate in the US and I have prepared a Living Will. My detailed instructions are updated annually because passwords change, websites such as banks will change format over time and government forms will change. This packet is nearly one inch thick, but it is absolutely necessary for me to give my wife a step-by-step set of instructions. Don't expect that your Thai wife will be able to figure this stuff out on her own, and God forbid she should have to ask the advice of friends or a lawyer. All the sharks will be standing in line to get their share of the feed, and your wife will be left with much less than you anticipated.

 

Have a heart and do the right thing. The most loving thing you can do for your family is to prepare them for the inevitable burden of settling your affairs once you are gone.

If you are married to a thai woman, or thinking about it, you should be preparing for your death. Never ever let the woman know your net worth. Convince her that you are receiving a pension every month that stops when you die. And buy the condo in your name, naming your children or someone ba k home as the beneficiary.

This is the beat way not to "accidentally" fall from your balcony.

death ---is a morbid subject... but i think, once we get to 70yrs old, we need to make some preparation...

a will is important---simplify ones life, keep healthy.make the most of every day...

quality of life is more important than quantity..i have several relations  who lived into late 80s and 90s, but last few years were very bad, ie dementia, MS  etc.

im 67yrs, expect to live maybe 30 more years....a little overweight-otherwise-excellent health.

for me--the next 10yrs are very critical---i will be having lots of fun with thai ladies...

my family have all done well for themselves, but i will be subsidizing holidays, cruises etc with them..

i would rather share with them while im alive and able....

im quite happy to die in thailand..not worried about funeral etc..  but.. if i get sick---i think im better to return to my home country....if i have a long term thai lady--i would leave something for her...

my family dont need any in heritance...im forming a trust to donate to sick kids in nz...

i spent many many years working in excess of 100hrs per week...lots of stress etc

owe it too myself to live it up in thailand,while still youngish..

i know too many people who die with wealth unspent---i think thats sooo pointless.....

 

 

On 12/26/2018 at 3:23 PM, worgeordie said:

I could live to 100+,you could be run over tomorrow and die at 50,

how do you plan for that,you can only take it one day at a time.

regards worgeordie

respectfully, you plan for it by having a Will if you have assets... if you have no assets, then it probably doesn't matter... and there are other things you can plan for too as to medical care given or not if you are not capable of giving instruction and making decisions... none of which prohibits your good attitude of taking it one day at a time...

On 12/26/2018 at 5:03 PM, ToddinChonburi said:

OK what are the best options for making a will ?

I think there are online forms for free but best option would be to have a lawyer and executor who would take care of your wishes being upheld... maybe some of it depends on what and how much you have and where it is and how easily cashed out...

On 12/27/2018 at 11:46 AM, JAFO said:

Agree with you Swissie,

One thing good though, there are numerous ways to assist oneself when the time comes. One does not have to do a swan dive off a balcony in Pattaya or BKK to call it. Seems messy and desperate. 

 

There are very pleasant ways to exit (without the mess and burden to clean up crews) when as you stated above feel you have lived a fulfilled life and the time is right. 

 

This is all a fascinating subject and I have spoken with many on the subject... most of us say, "yeah, just shoot me," which I believe is an honest heartfelt request, though of course the shooter will suffer grave consequences, so, not realistic...

 

We may have our own solution and a pre-planned exit before the pain sounds wonderful... I know my own parents would have hated the idea of becoming a burden, but by the time they were, they had no idea.. when my father was mid 80s, in discussing my mother's problems w/alz - he could never remember the word 'dementia' - - in my mom's final year, at age 91, there was a totally heartbreaking moment, as if she awoke from a long sleep and saw herself... "How did I get this way?" she asked in horror. 

 

In other words, at age 50, 60, 70, we cannot know what will be in or not in our minds at some chosen age in the future. 

53 minutes ago, fittobethaied said:

Before retiring I managed several funeral homes and cemeteries in the US and met with over 3500 families that had lost loved ones to death. Most people do not have a plan in place and have not prepared a Last Will and Testament, and I can tell you first hand of the horror stories that I have experienced with these families. In my opinion the most cruel thing a man can do is refuse to plan and leave a mess for the family to wade through after he is gone. No matter what you have done in your life that you think is worthy, it will all be forgotten and your legacy will be that you were a total "ass" for not thinking ahead about taking care of your family and lessening their burden. Many of them will despise you forever. For God's sake leave a packet of instructions so that your next-of-kin can settle your estate.

 

I have spent days and weeks preparing a packet of detailed instructions for my wife. I have a Thai Will for my estate in the Kingdom, a Will for my estate in the US and I have prepared a Living Will. My detailed instructions are updated annually because passwords change, websites such as banks will change format over time and government forms will change. This packet is nearly one inch thick, but it is absolutely necessary for me to give my wife a step-by-step set of instructions. Don't expect that your Thai wife will be able to figure this stuff out on her own, and God forbid she should have to ask the advice of friends or a lawyer. All the sharks will be standing in line to get their share of the feed, and your wife will be left with much less than you anticipated.

 

Have a heart and do the right thing. The most loving thing you can do for your family is to prepare them for the inevitable burden of settling your affairs once you are gone.

This is the post that all should read: Well spoken from an experienced voice. Thank you.

 

I have done already all that you recommended and though I would likely get skewered here, the surest thing is to put assets in the name of family members here. Of course, think of it as a gift, and do not give more than you can afford... 

yep , 72 got it all worked out,i am not hanging around if the health goes, my wife gets every thing in thailand, house,  truck, one large tuk tuk 3 tractors, car and all the house hold crap, and the golf clubs, land was hers anyway which we have added to, married legally, so that works, she by thai law gets my thai bank account as it is also in joint names, and i am sure i will be looked after till, and if things go wrong, and she deserves it , great partner and now wife after 10 years, i will be burnt here in the village and it will be a big party, wish i could be there. .my investments in aus have been put in joint names with my brother and advised him what to do if any thing happens, by law they are his when i am gone, my fxxxx aus ex and her 3 spoilt brat kids will not get the time of day from me, no will, i have just worked it out by asking questions!

On 12/26/2018 at 3:23 PM, worgeordie said:

I could live to 100+,you could be run over tomorrow and die at 50,

how do you plan for that,you can only take it one day at a time.

regards worgeordie

Or, more likely, we will all die together when the Land of the Free will unleash a "limited use" of nuclear weapons against evil Eastern powers. 

 

Hopefully, and most likely, that will happen long before I am an 80 year old mummy... 

A very merry christmas and a happy new year to everyone here,jeez what a lovely festive bunch.

On 12/26/2018 at 5:03 PM, ToddinChonburi said:

OK what are the best options for making a will ?

I don't know where you live, but here in Pattaya there's plenty of foreigners who own law offices with Thai partners, 5000 thb for complete written will. 

I have a will in Australia, and a will in Thailand. They both say the same thing - what assets there are in Thailand go to my GF, what's in Australia goes mainly to my son.

I have no plan for dying - I'm too busy living. When my quality of life changes, I'll do something about it.

3 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Any suggestions on how to do that? 

Glom down THREE viagras, drink at least TWO RED BULL, and get a little 16 year old....sorry, 18 year old hottie to jump on yer bones...ALL AT THE SAME TIME.....DONE!!

is this an advertorial?

3 minutes ago, UPDEHSOI said:

Glom down THREE viagras, drink at least TWO RED BULL, and get a little 16 year old....sorry, 18 year old hottie to jump on yer bones...ALL AT THE SAME TIME.....DONE!!

A 40 yo who knows what she is doing - Red Bull and Viagra not needed.

We have far more miles behind us than ahead of us, this is something we all should consider...

Dying With Dignity
I have already informed my family that
I will not be able to afford an expensive
nursing home which would allow me to
die poor and very old.
I have therefore moved
to Thailand so that I can spend my
final years enjoying life, and dying with Dignity!

Oh, by the way, Dignity asked me to say hello to you all!