need to stop violent village resident - absolutely no help from police

[henry2109]

We have got a serious problem with a violent woman in our village - gated village with security, 48 houses. It started some years ago with the woman walking her 3 dogs in the park (our common aera) getting nasty and rude. She sometimes insulted other residents, often in a very vulgar way.

 

She is about 60 years old, lives alone (her boyfriend left 3 years ago), has no relatives that she has contact with and no friends. I think she has serious mental issues and/or is bipolar.

 

Last year,  it went on from verbal attacks to physical attacks. The last 5 weeks we had 4 incidents:

1) She attacked the security guard with a chair. The cause was that a delivery from Kerry was not accepted by the guard. This was the guards mistake, but shurely no reason for a physical attack.

2) Because she felt the neighbour resident is too loud (which was not the case, she is just jellous that he had guests, while she does not), she started throwing about 10 stones (up to fist size) and dog shit over the fence wall to the neighbours house. The neighbour has small kids, which she scared succesfully.

3) Since she stopped paying maintenance and water fee, the committee decided to cut her water supply off by taking away the water meter. So 6 people from the village went to her house to take off the meter. She has been warned about this 2 times. She went outside and attacked the people. First she grabed another woman from behind, on her hair, and smashed her around, to the ground. Then she went inside, and came back with a big scissor, and went after everbody, so all the people scattered apart and run home. The lady that was smashed to the ground had to go to the hospital. Bill so far over 3'000 Baht.

4) While a resident was driving his bycicle around the village street, she came out with her motorbike, stopped, took a knife out of the motorbike, and attacked him. We shouted to her, stepped back, run to the entrance gate, and was attacked by the crazy woman a second time. The resident could protect himself by holding the bycicle in front of his body, and some help from the security guard. No physical harm done.

 

Between and after these incidents, she threatened about 5 residents with dead, and now always has a bag with a knife in it, when walking her dogs.

 

The residents think that she belongs to a closed facility, she is homicidal, and not able to take care of her own affairs in a proper way.

 

The police has been called after the incidents 2, 3 and 4, but is not only not interested at all, but does not give a shit. "We can do nothing" or "it is a village matter". They do not even want to look on the videos, where the attacks happen. They wait until someone gets killed or seriously hurt.

 

The residents have been to the local police station, afterwards to the communal police station. The big boss there also told us that he cannot do something else that fine the woman with 5'000 Baht for the incident 3.

 

After incident 2, we payed a police offer 1'000 Baht to speak with the crazy woman. She confessed to the incident, and told him to stop throwing stones. That was it. Nothing else happend. Speaking with her does not help or change anything.

 

Since we are scared for our families, we want to have some action done. This problem is not going away, it is rather getting worse.

 

We tried to escalate it with the police via a self-proclaimed influencal thai. So finally today 2 police officers from the provincial police came to ours village office, with the same result. Not interested at all, not even trying to get the facts, nothing done. Later, a journalist was called in to bring the story on local tv. Again 5000 Baht paid. Result? Will the police get pressure and act? Not likely.

 

Accepting that this country has a dysfunctional juristique system, and the police is totaly useless, the question remains: What can be done to stop her? 

[ghworker2010]

move house. its why I recommend renting

[Hugh Jarse]

Report it to the Headman/woman of the district who will know how best to deal with this very serious problem . Social services will need to be called upon to prevent further threats to human life and threats to the woman who is ,it seems, is likely to be attacked herself by other disgruntled neighbors. Good luck ; a most ghastly situation for anyone to have to try and deal with.

[henry2109]

16 minutes ago, ghworker2010 said:

move house. its why I recommend renting

Too simple. - Are you also a member of the "if you don't like, go home"-brigade?

[sirineou]

We had a neighbor that had chickens, his chickens will so run all over the place because he did not have a good fence, sometimes they will come  over our fence and our dogs will go after them and sometimes kill the chicken. When I was not there (I an often away as I work overseas) the owner of the chickens will demand payment from my wife.

 I Got a police red box for our house.

 Costs about $20 a month and they come over and sign in several times a week. When I am there I invite them in and offer them a cold beverage and pleasant conversation. We also often contribute (small money) to police functions. 

Let me just say, problem solved not a pip from the neighbor again, or anyone else in the neighborhood.

 I am not sure if such an arrangement would help in your situation, but it would not hurt.  

 

[ukrules]

I think you need to get a psychiatrist involved somehow, they will know the procedure to have someone committed and be able to advise you on how to proceed.

 

I will refer you to this reply to a post from a couple of years back :

 

 

Edited January 6, 2019 by ukrules

[henry2109]

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

We had a neighbor that had chickens, his chickens will so run all over the place because he did not have a good fence, sometimes they will come  over our fence and our dogs will go after them and sometimes kill the chicken. When I was not there (I an often away as I work overseas) the owner of the chickens will demand payment from my wife.

 I Got a police red box for our house.

 Costs about $20 a month and they come over and sign in several times a week. When I am there I invite them in and offer them a cold beverage and pleasant conversation. We also often contribute (small money) to police functions. 

Let me just say, problem solved not a pip from the neighbor again, or anyone else in the neighborhood.

 I am not sure if such an arrangement would help in your situation, but it would not hurt.  

 

Thanks for the hint. - Actually, I am not a supporter of bribery, but in my case, I would swallow the toad, if the problem is solved. However, the red box is for the small cases, just ideal for your chicken-dog-problem, even though 20 USD/month  may be the most expensive chicken-feed in thailand.

[henry2109]

19 minutes ago, Hugh Jarse said:

Report it to the Headman/woman of the district who will know how best to deal with this very serious problem . Social services will need to be called upon to prevent further threats to human life and threats to the woman who is ,it seems, is likely to be attacked herself by other disgruntled neighbors. Good luck ; a most ghastly situation for anyone to have to try and deal with.

Thanks, good post. Will do.

[henry2109]

2 minutes ago, ukrules said:

I think you need to get a psychiatrist involved somehow, they will know the procedure to have someone committed and be able to advise you on how to proceed.

 

I will refer you to this reply to a post from a couple of years back :

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, ukrules said:

I think you need to get a psychiatrist involved somehow, they will know the procedure to have someone committed and be able to advise you on how to proceed.

 

I will refer you to this reply to a post from a couple of years back :

 

 

Very good note. Does anybody by chance know a psychiatrist in Pattaya with good knowledge of english?

[Lacessit]

The usual avenue is the Phoo Yai ( headman ) of the area. He/she will sort it out.

[sirineou]

3 minutes ago, henry2109 said:

Thanks for the hint. - Actually, I am not a supporter of bribery, but in my case, I would swallow the toad, if the problem is solved. However, the red box is for the small cases, just ideal for your chicken-dog-problem, even though 20 USD/month  may be the most expensive chicken-feed in thailand.

 The box is not bribery, IMO $20 is cheap, it must cost them $20 in gas to come to our house several times a week. No one - supports bribery but it sometimes greases the wheels. 

 It is ot so much about the chickens, I can certainly afford a couple of chickens, it is more the visibility.

  The trick is to prevent trouble,  trouble always takes the path of least resistance, A police presence make people think twice about screwing with you. So I don't know how many other problems were prevented from even starting.

 Until I retire to Thailand end of this year, I am often away from Thailand for work, It gives me an additional measure of peace of mind to have the police visit my house, know them and be known by them. 

[blackcab]

A post advocating illegal activity has been removed.

[totally thaied up]

I am bipolar and have been sick since I was 14 years old. I am not lucid when unwell - I do not really understand what I am doing. Even if you are hypomanic or in a mixed state, getting violent means you are most likely psychotic and not within this reality at all. She will be totally uncontrollable nearly at all times. It seems to me from what is explained, she knows what she is doing.

 

In all regards, bipolar is thrown around way to easy and totally misunderstood. This women by the sounds of it had bigger problems (being bipolar does not mean you just go grab the closest knife and go to town). You can be a sociopath or just labelled something else to fit what is happening.

 

This woman needs some form of help. Go to the head village man and sort it out. If he will not help, find a psychiatrist (I can give you a name of someone in Chiang Mai that may have contacts in Pattaya) and get it sorted out.

[ChokDee4213]

As mentioned, talk to the head of your village. Encourage all parties involved to do the same (though many may decline to do so). The heads are the ones that handle matters like this.

 

If you have not already, start recording her behavior with your phone (in public areas, or from your private property) because if you make damning claims about this individual without any evidence, it could be construed as defamation, if I'm not mistaken. Can you set up and camouflage a wide-angle camera on your property to record any potential damages or assault?

Edited January 6, 2019 by ChokDee4213

[car720]

11 hours ago, sirineou said:

We had a neighbor that had chickens, his chickens will so run all over the place because he did not have a good fence, sometimes they will come  over our fence and our dogs will go after them and sometimes kill the chicken. When I was not there (I an often away as I work overseas) the owner of the chickens will demand payment from my wife.

 I Got a police red box for our house.

 Costs about $20 a month and they come over and sign in several times a week. When I am there I invite them in and offer them a cold beverage and pleasant conversation. We also often contribute (small money) to police functions. 

Let me just say, problem solved not a pip from the neighbor again, or anyone else in the neighborhood.

 I am not sure if such an arrangement would help in your situation, but it would not hurt.  

 

Well done Henry.

This is how to get everything done in Thailand.

Unless of course the guy with the chickens holds a higher rank.

[car720]

11 hours ago, henry2109 said:

 

Very good note. Does anybody by chance know a psychiatrist in Pattaya with good knowledge of english?

I'm not sure that any psychiatrist in the world has a good understanding of English.  

[geronimo]

Have you tried talking to the poo yai bahn?

[sirineou]

14 minutes ago, car720 said:

Well done Henry.

This is how to get everything done in Thailand.

Unless of course the guy with the chickens holds a higher rank.

When it comes to chickens there is always a pecking order

[colinneil]

henry 2019 have you and others ever thought of a bit of love, kindness to try and help the situation, instead of being aggressive towards the lady?

Works wonders you know, reading your post suggests to me like she is feeling isolated, unloved, not wanted, please dont say we have tried that, or that wont work.

According to you everyone is against her, you say the police are useless welcome to Thailand, they are all useless, unless getting money from you.

You are saying about getting a shrink, how are you qualified too know that is what she needs?

There are always 2 sides to a story, just for once try thinking about her side.

[sirineou]

16 minutes ago, car720 said:

I'm not sure that any psychiatrist in the world has a good understanding of English.  

if anyone could understand the English it would be a psychiatrist 

Edited January 7, 2019 by sirineou
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[Cricky]

12 hours ago, henry2109 said:

Since she stopped paying maintenance and water fee, the committee decided to cut her water supply off by taking away the water meter.

If she stops paying water isn't it the Water Company that takes away the water meter?

I understand most Condominium Management charge for water usage, not housing estates. 

[thaiguzzi]

13 hours ago, henry2109 said:

gated village with security, 48 houses.

Not very secure is it?

[Odysseus123]

The police box is a very good idea.

[Spidey]

1 hour ago, geronimo said:

Have you tried talking to the poo yai bahn?

He lives in a gated estate in Pattaya. No poo yai baan. Nearest thing will be his juristic manager/committee chairperson. Worse than useless.

[dotpoom]

13 hours ago, ghworker2010 said:

move house. its why Iecommend renting

I read comments similar to yours regularly on here....and they always sound "odd" to me to say the least.

   Most people that want to live in a house would probably be in a stable relationship, or have a family and wish to make a nice home for themselves to hopefully live happily together for a very long time. Again, is it not most people's dream to achieve this by owning their own home if they are fortunate enough to be in a financial position to afford it.  There is absolutely no comparison between owning your own home and renting one, when one is seeking security for themselves and their family, especially to have it to pass on to their loved ones after one passes on.

  Taking all this into consideration ..do you really think that such dreams should be set aside on the grounds that .."If I buy a house a crazy woman could end up living near us ..so it would be better to rent one instead"?

Edited January 7, 2019 by dotpoom

[Spidey]

49 minutes ago, VYCM said:

If she stops paying water isn't it the Water Company that takes away the water meter?

I understand most Condominium Management charge for water usage, not housing estates. 

I too live in a gated estate in Pattaya. Water company removes meter for non payment. Nothing to do with committee.

[BestB]

49 minutes ago, VYCM said:

If she stops paying water isn't it the Water Company that takes away the water meter?

I understand most Condominium Management charge for water usage, not housing estates. 

You would think if she was such a menace that required 6 of them to go over, they would have half an ounce of brain between the 6 of them to go do it quietly at night or late evening but it seems making her angry is their primary goal, not to mention illegal for them to remove her water meters as you correctly pointed out it’s PAPA responsibility not the village management.

[soalbundy]

13 hours ago, ukrules said:

I think you need to get a psychiatrist involved somehow, they will know the procedure to have someone committed and be able to advise you on how to proceed.

 

I will refer you to this reply to a post from a couple of years back :

 

 

We had a young woman like that in our village, she was committed involuntarily but I don't know how that was achieved officially, the pu yai's wife with a lady friend invited her to go with them to a 'party' by car, when they reached the mental facility the men in white coats were already waiting for her outside with a straight jacket which was apparently needed to get her inside.

[Guderian]

14 hours ago, henry2109 said:

Too simple. - Are you also a member of the "if you don't like, go home"-brigade?

And a fully paid-up member of the "It's their country!" club, no doubt.

[KittenKong]

2 hours ago, VYCM said:

If she stops paying water isn't it the Water Company that takes away the water meter?

I understand most Condominium Management charge for water usage, not housing estates. 

Presumably this village has a single water tank/supply (which may or may not be PWA water) that is then distributed internally and re-billed to individual owners.