Right up to the end many top Nazi brass held out hope that the western forces would join with post-hitler Germany to push the soviets out of Europe. Not that they weren't prone to delusions, but it shows that the theory of the west being more worried about communists than facists was not uncommon.

Patton was right.

Not to cherry-pick the author's 10 points but one of the more valid ones is that the war in Iraq is all about oil.

Can I quote you on that Boon?

Certainly the US would have been happy to have a Facsist Europe the alternative would have been a Communist Europe.

I think that you mean that the US would have prefered a Fascist Europe over a Communist Europe - which is quite possibly accurate - but what you said before sounded like the US out and out wanted Europe to be Fascist which doesn't make any sense to me.

We sometimes have to choose between the lesser of two evils.

Like I say Mr G, read the book and make up your own mind, theres always Hobsbawms take on it,(it's surprising how many Google links will tell you he is a Marxist, even though he is probably the most Conservative UK historian ( I guess thats what happens when you tell the 'truth')) Its up to you to make up your own mind wether you're left or right.

Hopefully, if you don't believe the hype too much, theres always the 'other' guy who has a pretty good spin on it too.

I don't want to mention his name, because you will flame me even though he is probably the greatest intellectual America has ever had.

If you really understand history and politics you will know who I am talking about.

Look into what I am saying and lets have a discussion about the US and it's crypto-facist credentials,

otherwise just stick to your bar girl comments which I find much more interesting.

I hope that you are not talking about that loathsome, traitorous, self-hating Jew, Chomsky? VOMIT!

I would be happy to read the book that you have recommended, however, I have read a lot of books already and none of them has convinced me that Americans are "fascists" and I doubt if this one will either, although I would guess that it would be an interesting read.

I think that your posts that don't concern politics are much more enlightening than the ones that do. You don't even sound like a wack-job. Maybe we should both avoid commenting on the U.S.?

this thread is most worthy of a hijack.

Hijack it then!!!

OK.

"We live in an age of cognitive dissonance, of inverted values and of true Orwellian doublethink."

I don't.

I live in an age of tom yum, som tam, kee kwai (the lumpy stuff, not the verbal crap) ... suits me fine.

Rather than railing against something that isn't going to change, a good suggestion would be....... leave.

I love he simple life, walk out of the front door, papaya and mango in easy reach, a dozen dogs try to prove that they are my best friend, wifey snoring in bed, the click of the rice cooker finishing the task I set it before I went to the hong nam, little girl rubbing her eyes and saying "Daddy, what time"

I don't live in that age at all......

Amen. Testify.

I hope that you are not talking about that loathsome, traitorous, self-hating Jew, Chomsky? VOMIT!

I would be happy to read the book that you have recommended, however, I have read a lot of books already and none of them has convinced me that Americans are "fascists" and I doubt if this one will either, although I would guess that it would be an interesting read.

I think that your posts that don't concern politics are much more enlightening than the ones that do. You don't even sound like a wack-job. Maybe we should both avoid commenting on the U.S.?

LOL Mr G! Thats the guy hahaha.

Uh I thought that'd get your blood pumping, wait 'til Boon gets a look at that he'll be Googling like the mad dog that he is.

"loathsome, traitorous, self-hating Jew" I'm still laughing.

I love having a good comment on the US, theres so much dirt and so many juicy stories that it always keeps me interested.

I would want to fall out with you though Mr G, Terry loves you so you can't be all that bad and Boon needs all the support he can get.

99% of Americans are probably great people, it's just the gangsters in the White House that are the problem, ok you've got crap food and cars, but some of the music is quite good.

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Mr G has the talent of being able to call you an idiot and make you laugh at the way he did it. You should have seen him a couple years ago.

Mr. G has to learn to control himself in order to keep posting on Thai Visa without any more long, long vacations.