Scamming At Immigration

[roobaa01]

1 hour ago, AGITATORKEN said:

No laday because it is a scam between immigration officials and the scam artist outside.

 

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it worked until the 28022019, if u would go today you would not be able to do it !!!!!

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roobaa01

[steve73]

3 minutes ago, phuketrichard said:

as the NEW rulings went into effect today

HOW did he get his retirement extension for the previous 10 years as the same way would have worked yesterday!!

If he was using the income letter from the US embassy and got it as far back as Sept, it would still be good.

 

Sorry, more Fox fake news

I'm meeting plenty of people who are still not aware that thing are changing... including a Brit pal who just recently asked me about the income letter.  Not everyone is on TV, or reads the BKK post or Nation. 

[phuketrichard]

Just now, steve73 said:

I'm meeting plenty of people who are still not aware that thing are changing... including a Brit pal who just recently asked me about the income letter.  Not everyone is on TV, or reads the BKK post or Nation. 

doesn't matter,  if he had done it the same as he had done it the previous 10 years he would have been fine as NOTHING had changed up until Today

[AGITATORKEN]

Jomtiem Immiigration, not embassy,

The immigration office in Jomtiem


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[steve73]

2 minutes ago, phuketrichard said:

doesn't matter,  if he had done it the same as he had done it the previous 10 years he would have been fine as NOTHING had changed up until Today

The income letters were stopped being issued approx. 2 months ago....  The bank deposit for income alternative was introduced in Dec... The 800k extended seasoning has been being applied (in many offices) since it was announced last month.  Not a lot has changed today from what I can see. 

[KiChakayan]

30 minutes ago, AGITATORKEN said:

I did not realize there was a difference between 65000, month and 195,000 every three months, Stupid me. 

 

Actually I sympathize. But I don't believe there is a scam there. Over the year I came to believe that most Thais, hence Thai IOs, don't understand numbers. For them averages or rules of three are stratospheric concepts. My guess is that they gave the IOS a procedure such as: 1) check January >= 65000, 2) check February >= 65000, etc.

Pretty sure, as well, that some IOs have complained because they don't understand what "Greater or equal" means. So, one day, they might require 12 monthly transfers of exactly 65000.00. ????

Edited March 1, 2019 by KiChakayan

[Curt1591]

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I think if the OP seasons his account at more than 800,000 baht for 3 months is it?... (and now 2 months afterwards)....  he will then meet the requirements... 

 

So.. OP - for how many months have you had more than 800,000 baht in your account?...   It may be possible to fly out and do a visa run or apply for a tourist Vientiane etc while you bide your time seasoning 800,000 baht in your account. 

 

Unless of course I'm missing something. 

 

 

EDIT: And by the way, Embassies stopping the affirmation on Income has nothing to do with the Thai's - its to do with the Embassies themselves being unable to accurately affirm the claims made on income without a great deal of effort, thus opening them up to incorrect statements. Too many people were making false claims which could not be accurately verified opening the Embassy up to criticism of flawed affirmations. 

 

2 hours ago, fforest1 said:

So the 4 embassies were just fine issuing the income letter for the past 20 years...And then with-in weeks they all decided hey we were pretty stupid for the last 20 years issuing a income letter we can not verify.....Never mind it says right on the letter they are only notarizing a statement...

 

There is a 99.9% chance that it was Thai immigration that was the force behind stopping the letters.....And thats a fact.....

The embassies could, and did, take people at their sworn word. Then, the Thai Immigrations wanted documentation of the income. This is where the respective embassies bowed out. They didn't have in inclination, let alone the staffing, to do the checking. 

On the subject of documentation, Thai Immigration will not accept documentation issue from one's own country. I had my officially issued IRA, SSI and pension statements in hand. When shown to the immigration officer, she said it had to be documented by the embassy. Since I had previous discussed these documents with my embassy, I already knew they wouldn't accept them either; they simply choose to stay out of the mix.

Back to square one!

This January, the Bangkok Immigration office accepted my embassy notarised "Affidavit of Income", issued last November.

Just in case, I had the 800,000 THB in a Thai bank as back up. 

Edited March 1, 2019 by Curt1591

[scorecard]

3 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

???

Gee sounds terrible.

A Thai was waiting outside the embassy?

What embassy was that?

Waiting outside an embassy, not waiting outside the immigration office???

[roobaa01]

just got a message my friend was rejected today at chaengwattana for he presented his german embassy letter confirming 69k monthly pension but imo wanted add. the bankbook with monthly transfers for the retirement extension ???? what is goin on ???

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roobaa01

[Spidey]

2 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Er, Why?

I've lived here since 03, did'nt join this forum until 2011.

And that was purely to use the classifieds.

Now several years later i've been sucked into posting over 4000 times.

There is more to life than just TV.

And it's certainly not a badge of honour for a Thai expat to contribute or be a member of this forum.

Correct. It's something that I never admit to. Embarrassing.

[Spidey]

2 hours ago, Just Weird said:

"There is a 99.9% chance that it was Thai immigration that was the force behind stopping the letters.....And thats a fact.....".

No, it's not, a "chance", regardless of your guessed percentage, definitely is not a "fact". 

 

If what you claimed was true then every Embassy would have had to stop issuing the letters and Immigration would no longer accept them.  As it is Immigration have stated that if your Embassy still issues the letters you have to use them.

All very true, but it's been done to death in other threads. 

[rott]

3 hours ago, roobaa01 said:

that 800k agent service will stop nationwide as of today for the new rules kick in.

 

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roobaa01

Of course, this is exactly what is happening.

 

I think some people have been forgetting that.

 

 

 

[Spidey]

2 hours ago, AGITATORKEN said:

It is simply a Thai scam. I will leave before I let 800000 rot in a Thai bank at .5%.

 

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Why didn't you get your affidavit from your embassy, before they stopped issuing them? Valid for 6 months. Jontien immigration are still accepting them.

[Spidey]

1 hour ago, brokenbone said:

why am i not surprised it was jomtien ?

I'm very surprised, been going there for years and never had the slightest problem. One of the better IOs.

[jacko45k]

3 hours ago, Justin Side said:

Not sure how someone outside an Embassy would be trying to force you down the illegal route

I expect he meant the Imm Office.

[dcnx]

2 hours ago, Just Weird said:

"There is a 99.9% chance that it was Thai immigration that was the force behind stopping the letters.....And thats a fact.....".

No, it's not, a "chance", regardless of your guessed percentage, definitely is not a "fact". 

 

If what you claimed was true then every Embassy would have had to stop issuing the letters and Immigration would no longer accept them.  As it is Immigration have stated that if your Embassy still issues the letters you have to use them.

Not if they are trying to thin the population from certain countries. We also don’t know what back room deals happen between our Embassies and local immigration law makers.

 

Thailand is fueled by corruption at every level, have you forgotten about the leaked cables already? Literally, every part of government at every level is corrupt. It’s very possible some governments refused to play ball with whatever corruption game the Thais dreamed up. Now they can’t do X, Y, and Z because of it. 

 

There’s no telling what’s really going on here. We only see what happens on the surface, but it all runs much deeper than that.

[jacko45k]

3 hours ago, roobaa01 said:

that 800k agent service will stop nationwide as of today for the new rules kick in.

 

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roobaa01

They were able to bypass seasoning previously. The changes only specify longer seasoning. I expect it will go on.

[Farangwithaplan]

3 hours ago, connda said:

Been here since 2008 and just made his first post in Thai Visa?  Not saying impossible, but.....   :dry

I was hear quite a few years before I even looked at this site. After I did look at it, it took a while before I posted.

 

 

[Ebumbu]

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Hard to understand why anyone would go into an extension application process at this point thinking the averaging method was going to be accepted.  But then again, it's a member making what appears to be their first post... so perhaps they haven't been reading or paying attention.

 

But how does this effect the COMBINED method of income plus balance? I have yet to hear a clear explanation of that. Example: I deposit 50,000 a month. At the end of the year, my savings plus deposits exceeds 800k. Is this option still available? 

 

If it is, then what exactly are the seasoning requirements, if any, for the savings component? What are the minimum-deposit requirements for the combined method, if any? I'd like to have this in my back pocket if this method is still available. 

 

Thanks. 

[bkk6060]

Sorry to disappoint some, but I believe the agencies will still continue.

I spoke to a friend today who visited an agency at the Darkside recently who was told no problem with the 800,000 b seasoning they can do it, but it will cost 35,000 b. 

I do not see and have never thought there will be an agency demise or crackdown.

It is just too much money spread among way too many people.

[mercman24]

just shows what a load of idiots the guys at immigration are, as one has said, how can anyone show 12 months deposits as we did not know of the new ruling until last OCTOBER ish, do they think we are all psyhic, i give up

[Curt1591]

15 minutes ago, Ebumbu said:

 

But how does this effect the COMBINED method of income plus balance? I have yet to hear a clear explanation of that. Example: I deposit 50,000 a month. At the end of the year, my savings plus deposits exceeds 800k. Is this option still available? 

 

If it is, then what exactly are the seasoning requirements, if any, for the savings component? What are the minimum-deposit requirements for the combined method, if any? I'd like to have this in my back pocket if this method is still available. 

 

Thanks. 

Item #5 might seem to imply the combination may work. However, this is Thailand; all things are open to interpretation! 

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_22

[bkk6060]

6 minutes ago, mercman24 said:

 do they think we are all psyhic, i give up

Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam...

Where you headed?

[onera1961]

I arrived in 1998, never joined till 2014. 
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I arrived in 2004 and never felt the need to join till 2017. May be TVF is not very helpful unless some one needs any information urgently.

Lots of posters sound smug and show a sense of speriroty becuase they are fortunate to be born in Western countries as if that is a personal achievement.

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[ubonjoe]

A off topic post bringing politics into the discussion has been removed.

[roobaa01]

46 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

 

 

seasoning under the old system 800k for 1 hour in the bankbook. now 5 months 800k, thereafter 400k for 6 months. now who can provide x billion thb for that period ?? perhaps the bank branch ceates virtual money in a separate accounting system.

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roobaa01

[lamyai3]

3 hours ago, roo860 said:

I arrived in 1998, never joined till 2014.

Both years same as me. Never needed to join until visas started becoming so problematic. 

[roo860]

Both years same as me. Never needed to join until visas started becoming so problematic. 

I'm not sure how I actually found it, think it was by accident. Non of the people I socialised with ever mentioned it.

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[Curt1591]

1 minute ago, roo860 said:

I'm not sure how I actually found it, think it was by accident. Non of the people I socialised with ever mentioned it.

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TV pops up on most searches on Thailand.

[Gecko123]

33 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

seasoning under the old system 800k for 1 hour in the bankbook. now 5 months 800k, thereafter 400k for 6 months. Now who can provide x billion thb for that period ?? perhaps the bank branch ceates virtual money in a separate accounting system.

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roobaa01

If the agent keeps the interest earned on the money in the account, and charges (as an earlier poster said 35,000 baht for the service), and you look at the legwork of running to immigration as "loan origination costs," then the "passbook seasoning" operation can effectively be seen as a loansharking operation. Consider:

 

800,000 untouched in a Bangkok bank 3 yr fixed term account would earn 1.62% interest (minus tax .15%) = 11,016 baht return on capital for an ordinary depositor.

 

But the seasoning agent (not taking into consideration any bribes or expenses he has to pay) who is charging 35,000 baht for this service, would be earning 4.375% on his 800,000 capital expense. If the agent keeps the 11,016 in interest earned on this capital as well, this would earn a total of 46,016 baht or a 5.752% return (3.55 times more than an ordinary depositor would earn), which is a sufficiently attractive rate of return to attract capital.

Edited March 1, 2019 by Gecko123