webfact Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Hunt begins after Ukrainian passport used in B450k rental motorbike theft By The Phuket News The man entered the rental shop wearing a cap and sunglasses. Image: CCTV / Supplied PHUKET: A motorbike rental company in Rawai is offering a reward for information that leads the recovery of Honda CB 1000 that was rented and not returned by a man who presented a Ukrainian passport, which the company now believes may be fake. “We bought the motorcycle in December 2018. It’s a new model. Very few of these have been bought in Phuket, probably less than 10, and this one is red, of which there are only two or three on the island maximum,” explained Frenchman Patrice Ardennes French, shareholder of the rental company Thairoadways and partner of the company director, Inpoo Vorapitcha. “This Ukrainian guy rented the bike for three days (from Mar 6-9). He left his passport as deposit, signed the rental contract, paid the rental amount and went off on the motorcycle,” Mr Ardennes said. Read more at https://www.thephuketnews.com/hunt-begins-after-ukrainian-passport-used-in-b450k-rental-motorbike-theft-70715.php#3s8pRXOR1Hikbo9H.99 -- © Copyright Phuket News 2019-03-15 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonjelly Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Prolly crated up and in a sea container on its way to Europe already 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roel Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 This might be useful then. Took it from facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETERTHEEATER Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 5 hours ago, lemonjelly said: Prolly crated up and in a sea container on its way to Europe already According to the news article it was a Honda. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny1990 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Best to always take a picture of any person that rents a vehicle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeGee Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Good maybe now these crooks that rent motorbikes will stop asking to keep your passport and not returning it when you refuse to pay some outrageous damage repair costs. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Roel said: This might be useful then. Took it from facebook. I am in hotel business, this is most certainly fake passport. I have had a few Ukrainians and theirs did not look like that. Unless it’s a new one but highly unlikely. Never seen Ukrainian document with red logo , red is not Ukrainian colour, looks more Estonian or Latvian or Lithuanian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 7 hours ago, lemonjelly said: Prolly crated up and in a sea container on its way to Europe already Not possible, would not be accepted without export permit and other papers , unless they left original book with the bike. i would say crashed it or sold it or used parts for his own one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyt00 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 So, were there any visas or stamps in the passport? That would show if passport is fake or not. I doubt the owner would have fake stamps in his passport. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post madmitch Posted March 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, BestB said: Not possible, would not be accepted without export permit and other papers , unless they left original book with the bike. i would say crashed it or sold it or used parts for his own one Because no one has ever bribed a Customs Official! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Kuklinski Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, madmitch said: Because no one has ever bribed a Customs Official! Or, it could be on a yacht. Edited March 15, 2019 by Richard Kuklinski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Kuklinski Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Probably crashed it and getting it fixed at a more reasonable price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, BestB said: Never seen Ukrainian document with red logo , red is not Ukrainian colour, looks more Estonian or Latvian or Lithuanian Which red logo? The one in the upper left is the (international) symbol for a biometric passport issued since 2015. And I see misc. samples of Ukrainian passports (non fakes) where it is in red. And the article says that the passport had a visa from the Thai embassy in Kiev. Also fake? It's worth reading the whole article with the comments from Thai immigration official! (left Thailand on February 27????) Interesting to see that a search for "ukrainian passport" ends with tons of "fake passport" entries. Edited March 15, 2019 by KhunBENQ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 27 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said: Which red logo? The one in the upper left is the (international) symbol for a biometric passport issued since 2015. And I see misc. samples of Ukrainian passports (non fakes) where it is in red. And the article says that the passport had a visa from the Thai embassy in Kiev. Also fake? It's worth reading the whole article with the comments from Thai immigration official! (left Thailand on February 27????) Interesting to see that a search for "ukrainian passport" ends with tons of "fake passport" entries. I am telling you what I see and I am certain I see more than you. But whatever rocks your boat. I have not seen the visa nor am I an immigration officer to comment on visa authenticity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, BestB said: I am telling you what I see and I am certain I see more than you. But whatever rocks your boat. I have not seen the visa nor am I an immigration officer to comment on visa authenticity Yet you didn’t know that the ‘logo’ means that his biometrics are included in the ‘biometric RFID strip’ in the passport. Examples from Wikipedia below... How certain are you that you know more than BENQ and what about rocking boats ? Of course, the passport could be fake... who would steel a bike with their real passport. Unless something has happened to the lad who rented and they’ll find the bike down a cliff somewhere... but we can’t tell that from a photo that the passport is fake from a photo or because of a ‘red symbol’ !!!! Edited March 15, 2019 by richard_smith237 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonjelly Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 3 hours ago, BestB said: Not possible, would not be accepted without export permit and other papers , unless they left original book with the bike. i would say crashed it or sold it or used parts for his own one What if it’s been dismantled? Engine alone must be worth a few bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said: Yet you didn’t know that the ‘logo’ means that his biometrics are included in the ‘biometric RFID strip’ in the passport. Examples from Wikipedia below... How certain are you that you know more than BENQ and what about rocking boats ? Of course, the passport could be fake... who would steel a bike with their real passport. Unless something has happened to the lad who rented and they’ll find the bike down a cliff somewhere... but we can’t tell that from a photo that the passport is fake from a photo or because of a ‘red symbol’ !!!! I said I have not seen Ukrainian passport with that red thingy , unless it was new. And I see a lot of them on daily basis . Have a look at google images what Ukrainian passports look like and also look at what fake ones look like and you will see the difference in red logo Edited March 15, 2019 by BestB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post balo Posted March 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2019 I think the passport is genuine and this is probably what happened: From the article: "However, he also confirmed that a man who presented himself as Dmytro Maruniak had already left Thailand via Phuket airport on Feb 27. The man was allowed leave Thailand after he presented an emergency travel document issued by the Ukrainian embassy, Col Kathathorn explained." So the passport was stolen , Mr Maruniak entered Thailand in January with the same passport , that has already been confirmed by immigration. And he left with emergency documents February 27, after reporting his PP stolen. In March this man walks in wearing caps and sunglasses. He leaves the passport and the staff do not care to look closely enough to compare the picture in the passport with the man wearing a cap, maybe they look a bit similar, same age etc. So he gets away with the theft, and the bike is already sold or out of the country. This will be difficult to solve , consider the bike lost. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4675636b596f75 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 13 hours ago, webfact said: He left his passport as deposit Who would ever leave their passport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post seahorse Posted March 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2019 52 minutes ago, 4675636b596f75 said: Who would ever leave their passport? Everybody who ever rented a motorbike in Phuket. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 3 hours ago, BestB said: I said I have not seen Ukrainian passport with that red thingy , unless it was new. And I see a lot of them on daily basis . Have a look at google images what Ukrainian passports look like and also look at what fake ones look like and you will see the difference in red logo Then google Ukrainian Biometric passport.... and you will see your 'fake one' with the red logo (biometric logo) on the Wikipedia page as an an example of a Ukrainian Passport... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Seems like a lot of money for a small bike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve187 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Oziex1 said: Seems like a lot of money for a small bike? this is a 1000cc, what is a big bike then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TumblinDice Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 23 minutes ago, steve187 said: this is a 1000cc, what is a big bike then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy chappie Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) It's a good job the rental company had insurance ????????????????????????????????..I see one like the one described flying down Donbas high street this week. Edited March 16, 2019 by happy chappie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sealbash Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Good maybe now these crooks that rent motorbikes will stop asking to keep your passport and not returning it when you refuse to pay some outrageous damage repair costs.Seriously? You believe a motorcycle theft is good? Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: Then google Ukrainian Biometric passport.... and you will see your 'fake one' with the red logo (biometric logo) on the Wikipedia page as an an example of a Ukrainian Passport... Let’s try again for the 3rd time . I am yet to see one pictured here and I see passports on daily basis . which part of this do you still struggle with ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 11 hours ago, balo said: I think the passport is genuine and this is probably what happened: From the article: "However, he also confirmed that a man who presented himself as Dmytro Maruniak had already left Thailand via Phuket airport on Feb 27. The man was allowed leave Thailand after he presented an emergency travel document issued by the Ukrainian embassy, Col Kathathorn explained." So the passport was stolen , Mr Maruniak entered Thailand in January with the same passport , that has already been confirmed by immigration. And he left with emergency documents February 27, after reporting his PP stolen. In March this man walks in wearing caps and sunglasses. He leaves the passport and the staff do not care to look closely enough to compare the picture in the passport with the man wearing a cap, maybe they look a bit similar, same age etc. So he gets away with the theft, and the bike is already sold or out of the country. This will be difficult to solve , consider the bike lost. Yes, you summed up the timeline well, but I wouldn't necessarily assume the PP was stolen. By leaving the country, before the document was used in a crime, the holder has to be absolved from blame. However, he could still be an accomplice in the sting. Many people sell or pass on their travel documents for nefarious purposes. There is a good reason some countries won't issue further passports to people who seek replacements too often. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 hours ago, steve187 said: this is a 1000cc, what is a big bike then A big bike, like the one I ride is powered by 4 jet turbines from a 787. Seriously it was early and I had barely opened my eyes when I first read this, though it said CB 100. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeGee Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 7 hours ago, Sealbash said: Seriously? You believe a motorcycle theft is good? Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Motor bike theft is bad all theft is bad but so is extortion .Holding your passport as blackmail until you pay some totally excessive made up amount of money for a minor repair is also bad.I refer to the hundreds of reports of people being forced to pay stupid sums of money and when they involved the police,guess whose side the police were on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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