3 hours ago, geoffbezoz said:

Quicker than I thought.  4.8 million as of this morning so the 5 million will soon be breached.  Next target 10 million but will May actually take heed ?  Doubt it, both her sycophants and that other idiot, Corbyn's MPs, are now more concerned about getting booted out at the no doubt soon to be General Election,  and out of the parliment expenses gravy train than they are about the UK's overall future.

May take heed? Why should she?

It has been known for years that millions support remain.

Nothing new here.

 

7 hours ago, Mikeasq60 said:

I'm not buying that there's 1 million signature's to remain in the EU. I guess if you put it up for a vote until you get what you want ya its possible to remain. But its already been voted to LEAVE! Hell, I'm American and I know the UK is better off determining there own fate and not the dreams of the EU commissars! There's going to be big problems if the vote of the people isn't carried out! Let Brexit Commence

 

You're American? Whoopy Doo! But you're right, there is not 1 million signatures. As you were typing it was actually 4 million.

 

 

8 hours ago, Mikeasq60 said:

I'm not buying that there's 1 million signature's to remain in the EU. I guess if you put it up for a vote until you get what you want ya its possible to remain. But its already been voted to LEAVE! Hell, I'm American and I know the UK is better off determining there own fate and not the dreams of the EU commissars! There's going to be big problems if the vote of the people isn't carried out! Let Brexit Commence

I hardly see how you Americans can advise us Brits on Democracy when more people in the US voted for Hillary and you end up with...

Edited March 24, 20197 yr by Basil B

4 hours ago, newatthis said:

Retainers say the referendum was only advisory but want the Government to act on this petition. Seems hypocritical. 

True, Remainers say the referendum was close less than 2%  yet Brexiteers say 17.4 Million.

 

Now 3 year on the government can not deliver, Brexiteers say "Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019" Remainers say "Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU" 

 

Well the two petitions are a clear indicator that public opinion has changed dramatically.

 

As of 08:15 on Sunday 24th March 2019...

"Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019"               502,447 signatures

"Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU"                    4,832,202 signatures

 

And if you do not believe them figures I can post pictures of the Leave and the Remain marches. ???? 

13 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Doesn't stop the validity of her petition nor it's popularity.

The very nature of the anonymous nature of the aforementioned petition and it's lack of oversight and control renders it's validity quite worthless.

 

As for popularity, Thaksin always had way, way more followers on FB than Abhisit ever had and that got him exactly what now?

2 hours ago, AlexRich said:

 

You're American? Whoopy Doo! But you're right, there is not 1 million signatures. As you were typing it was actually 4 million.

 

 

So that's 4 times as worthless.

1 hour ago, Basil B said:

I hardly see how you Americans can advise us Brits on Democracy when more people in the US voted for Hillary and you end up with...

He wasn't advising anyone so stop (re)moaning.

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

So that's 4 times as worthless.

It's only worthless because it's a vote to remain. If it were a vote to leave it would be highly significant.

2 hours ago, AlexRich said:

You're American? Whoopy Doo! But you're right, there is not 1 million signatures. As you were typing it was actually 4 million.

So is Chomper yet he claimed to have addressed significant numbers of the British electorate in an official capacity(?)

 

 

14 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Nothing of the sort just pointing out to you the petiton data is a carbon copy of the 2016 referendum results so nothing has changed

Except that support for Remain is growing while support for Leave is shrinking.

 

As shown by, for example, the fact that as I type the current remain petition has received over 4.8 million signatures in 5 weeks whilst the best any leave petition has ever mustered is the current one which in 5 months has received just over 500,000.

 

There are many reasons for this movement of support from leave to remain, demographic changes being a minor one.

 

But the main reasons is that more and more people are realising that they were deceived in 2016 by the leave campaigns and that the advantages of remain far outweigh the disadvantages. More and more voters are realising that the leave campaign was based purely on rhetoric and the campaigners had absolutely no plan for what to do should they win. No plan for the future of this country outside the EU, no plan for our trade after we had left our largest market.

28 minutes ago, evadgib said:

So is Chomper yet he claimed to have addressed significant numbers of the British electorate in an official capacity(?)

 

 

I made no such claim.

 

I stated that during the last election I took part in the election campaign(s) and had face to face discussions with hundreds of people.

 

I made that statement at the time of the last election and again recently.

 

Some people actively participate in the political process others restrict themselves to using their one handed typing skills.

 

From each or according to his means.

 

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

Except that support for Remain is growing while support for Leave is shrinking.

 

As shown by, for example, the fact that as I type the current remain petition has received over 4.8 million signatures in 5 weeks whilst the best any leave petition has ever mustered is the current one which in 5 months has received just over 500,000.

 

There are many reasons for this movement of support from leave to remain, demographic changes being a minor one.

 

But the main reasons is that more and more people are realising that they were deceived in 2016 by the leave campaigns and that the advantages of remain far outweigh the disadvantages. More and more voters are realising that the leave campaign was based purely on rhetoric and the campaigners had absolutely no plan for what to do should they win. No plan for the future of this country outside the EU, no plan for our trade after we had left our largest market.

4.8 million signatures and how many are eligible to vote  no one knows maybe 25% compared to 17.4 million eligible  voters

 

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

4.8 million signatures and how many are eligible to vote  no one knows maybe 25% compared to 17.4 million eligible  voters

 

Maybe 95%.

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

4.8 million signatures and how many are eligible to vote  no one knows maybe 25% compared to 17.4 million eligible  voters

 

You seem to miss the point.

 

Only 100,000 are required to place the  petition before Parliament.

 

4,800,000 is considerably greater than 100,000 and backed up by a 1,000,000 or so protesting Remain supporters.

 

 

Edited March 24, 20197 yr by Chomper Higgot

11 hours ago, Mikeasq60 said:

I'm not buying that there's 1 million signature's to remain in the EU. I guess if you put it up for a vote until you get what you want ya its possible to remain. But its already been voted to LEAVE! Hell, I'm American and I know the UK is better off determining there own fate and not the dreams of the EU commissars! There's going to be big problems if the vote of the people isn't carried out! Let Brexit Commence

Every EU member state has the right to determine it's own future; the right to leave the union if it wishes; the right to remain if it wishes. 

 

Crucially, in law we also have the right to change our minds before the decision becomes irrevocable. 

 

The same cannot be said of your union.

 

The USA forcibly annexed Hawaii in 1898. In 1993 your congress apologised for that act and declared it illegal.

 

Yet despite acknowledging that annexation is illegal, despite overwhelming support for independence of one sort or another amongst native Hawaiians, your government refuses to grant independence or sovereignty in any way shape or form. It even refuses to grant native Hawaiians the same land rights granted to other indigenous populations in the rest of the USA.

 

So I suggest that you put your own house in order before lecturing us.

 

 

Just now, Spidey said:

Maybe 95%.

Highly Unlikely maybe 25% at best but as I stated no one knows

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

Highly Unlikely maybe 25% at best but as I stated no one knows

Highly likely 95%. I know because I cast most of the votes and I'm eligible to vote. 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You seem to miss the point.

 

Only 100,000 are required to place the  petition before Parliament.

 

4,800,000 is considerably greater than 100,000 and backed up by a 1,000,000 or so protesting Remain supporters.

 

 

and everyone knows that the petition site is open to fraud and abuse unless they implement some sort if unique validation process such as national insurance numbers

As to the  1,000,000 reamin supporters it seems the only organization that is quoting that number are the organizers of the march

Lets not Forget who was the King of Spin Alastair Campbell

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

and everyone knows that the petition site is open to fraud and abuse unless they implement some sort if unique validation process such as national insurance numbers

As to the  1,000,000 reamin supporters it seems the only organization that is quoting that number are the organizers of the march

Lets not Forget who was the King of Spin Alastair Campbell

 

1 hour ago, Basil B said:

True, Remainers say the referendum was close less than 2%  yet Brexiteers say 17.4 Million.

 

Now 3 year on the government can not deliver, Brexiteers say "Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019" Remainers say "Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU" 

 

Well the two petitions are a clear indicator that public opinion has changed dramatically.

 

As of 08:15 on Sunday 24th March 2019...

"Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019"               502,447 signatures

"Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU"                    4,832,202 signatures

 

And if you do not believe them figures I can post pictures of the Leave and the Remain marches. ???? 

I'm not doubting your figures and I don't want to see your pictures. 

What I am saying is that Remainers have got onto these ThaiVisa forums and stated categorically that the referendum result is not binding but only advisory.  Now they are behaving like these petitions are binding on the Government when really they only have to be debated.

10 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

As shown by, for example, the fact that as I type the current remain petition has received over 4.8 million signatures in 5 weeks whilst the best any leave petition has ever mustered is the current one which in 5 months has received just over 500,000.

 

I thought it was launched Thursday evening...

Possibly there is a procedure for getting a petition vetted, and past the approval committee then on line which will take a few weeks.

 

I think this was shear luck that it got the media coverage when it crashed the server, but even to get it to that stage I think there must have been half a million signatories, the hot beds of initial support came from the Cambridge and Oxford areas so I was wondering if it was promoted by the Students Union.   

On 3/22/2019 at 2:52 PM, Spidey said:

You don't believe anything that I tell you. More fool you. 555

 

BTW. I was only joking, I have only voted once.

 

4 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Highly likely 95%. I know because I cast most of the votes and I'm eligible to vote. 

In your own words don't believe anything that I tell you 

1 minute ago, newatthis said:

I'm not doubting your figures and I don't want to see your pictures. 

What I am saying is that Remainers have got onto these ThaiVisa forums and stated categorically that the referendum result is not binding but only advisory.  Now they are behaving like these petitions are binding on the Government when really they only have to be debated.

No it is not binding on the government but every MP's can see how many of their constituents have signed the petition.

 

Many are worried... 

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Doesn't stop the validity of her petition nor it's popularity.

The very nature of the anonymous nature of the aforementioned petition and it's lack of oversight and control renders it's validity quite worthless

 

I refer you to the reply I made when @vinny41 made the same point.

 

22 hours ago, 7by7 said:

On ‎3‎/‎21‎/‎2019 at 10:59 PM, vinny41 said:

without correct validation these petitions are meanless and pointless

 

Yes, it is possible for non British citizens to sign (BTW, 

On ‎3‎/‎21‎/‎2019 at 10:42 PM, vinny41 said:

They (sic) should be a requirement to provide your national insurance number as part of any validation for any of these petitions

Anyone who has ever legally worked in the UK will have a NI number; regardless of their nationality.)

 

Yes, it is possible for non UK residents to sign.

 

Yes, it is possible for people to sign more than once; though they would need multiple email addresses to do so as an address can only be used once per petition.

 

I am no IT expert , far from it, but I suppose it is possible for someone to set up multiple bots with multiple email addresses to sign multiple times.

 

But none of these objections were raise by any Brexiteer here last year when they were bragging about the 100,000 plus signatures various pro Brexit petitions had received.

The matter of bots was dealt with by @Basil B

 

22 hours ago, Basil B said:

very difficult without using the same domain as they are verified and would need an automated responder to click the link on the verification email.

Also IP addresses will be recorded, I would assume domains with lots of users will be scrutinized, Ones like Gmail.com, BT.net,  Plus.net, etc, will be OK but say they get thousands ending say @hackers.ru will ring alarm bells. 

 

But I repeat: none of these objections were raise by any Brexiteer here last year when they were bragging about the 100,000 plus signatures various pro Brexit petitions had received!

 

Typical Brexiteer double standards?

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

 

In your own words don't believe anything that I tell you 

I don't believe anything that you tell me. Honest.

16 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Highly Unlikely maybe 25% at best but as I stated no one knows

Maybe it's 100%' your guess is as good as mine!

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

and everyone knows that the petition site is open to fraud and abuse unless they implement some sort if unique validation process such as national insurance numbers

I refer you yet again to the reply I gave last time you made this point, repeated above for @NanLaew's benefit.

 

Especially the fact that none of these objections were raise by any Brexiteer here last year when they were bragging about the 100,000 plus signatures various pro Brexit petitions had received!

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

I repeat: none of these objections were raise by any Brexiteer here last year when they were bragging about the 100,000 plus signatures various pro Brexit petitions had received!

 

Typical Brexiteer double standards?

What "petitions" are you talking about ?

Or are you just deflecting from this current issue and making things up ?

9 minutes ago, Basil B said:

I thought it was launched Thursday evening...

Possibly there is a procedure for getting a petition vetted, and past the approval committee then on line which will take a few weeks.

 

I think this was shear luck that it got the media coverage when it crashed the server, but even to get it to that stage I think there must have been half a million signatories, the hot beds of initial support came from the Cambridge and Oxford areas so I was wondering if it was promoted by the Students Union.   

petition was launched on 20 February 2019 all petitions run for a period of 6 months this one will expired on 20th August 2019

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

What "petitions" are you talking about ?

Or are you just deflecting from this current issue and making things up ?

Deflecting from this petition as it approaches 5,000,000 signatures.

 

I’m sure there are attempts at deflection, but not from Remain supporters.

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Maybe it's 100%' your guess is as good as mine!

I refer you yet again to the reply I gave last time you made this point, repeated above for @NanLaew's benefit.

 

Especially the fact that none of these objections were raise by any Brexiteer here last year when they were bragging about the 100,000 plus signatures various pro Brexit petitions had received!

And I refer you again to my answer and everyone knows that the petition site is open to fraud and abuse unless they implement some sort if unique validation process such as national insurance numbers

I am not aware of any Brexiteer here openly bragging that the petition site is open to fraud and abuse and that they have submitted multiple submissions using different email address where remainers on this forum have openly admitted they have submitted multiple submissions using different email address