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Monnets aim was exactly the same as the current brussels t@ssers want
A united states of europe..ran by beurocrats.
Try reading Macron's very recent document re his aims!!

Monnet died a long long time ago. He, De Gaulle and his ilk no longer play a part in the EU of today. You're living in the past.


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19 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

But not the EU do you get it. Brexit is about the EU.

Yes I get it, they're not in the EU , they're members of other trading blocks. Brexit is about the EU, so why make a pathetic attempt at deflection by bringing them into the conversation? Do you get it? Who do you think you are? Bernard bloody Manning? :cheesy:

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26 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Yes I get it, they're not in the EU , they're members of other trading blocks. Brexit is about the EU, so why make a pathetic attempt at deflection by bringing them into the conversation? Do you get it? Who do you think you are? Bernard bloody Manning? :cheesy:

Much younger and far better looking. Oh and alive.

 

Obviously the grey matter for you isn't as it use to be. I understand. I would suggest that you go back and read the posts to fully comprehend why 'they' were brought into the conversation. Deflection, how amusing. You are the number 1 at that point, so give yourself a pat on the back.

 

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2 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Much younger and far better looking. Oh and alive.

 

Obviously the grey matter for you isn't as it use to be. I understand. I would suggest that you go back and read the posts to fully comprehend why 'they' were brought into the conversation. Deflection, how amusing. You are the number 1 at that point, so give yourself a pat on the back.

 

Genuinely glad that you found me amusing. I do try.  Don't worry though, I'm no competition for you, every one of your posts makes me split my sides. Comedy gold, you are, proper comedy gold. Bernard will be looking down and smiling fondly at your posts.

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10 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Genuinely glad that you found me amusing. I do try.  Don't worry though, I'm no competition for you, every one of your posts makes me split my sides. Comedy gold, you are, proper comedy gold. Bernard will be looking down and smiling fondly at your posts.

Maybe I should take a note from your book and watch people in Pattaya and then generalise the 1.38 billion people. Amazing. So logging of from you now Steptoe, No need to reply, save your energy for watching tourists in Pattaya and tell TV members here, just how cultures are from your very wide experienced point of view.

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4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Maybe I should take a note from your book and watch people in Pattaya and then generalise the 1.38 billion people. Amazing. So logging of from you now Steptoe, No need to reply, save your energy for watching tourists in Pattaya and tell TV members here, just how cultures are from your very wide experienced point of view.

Roger, wilco. Happy to be of service to a great comedian.

 

BTW. You just sound like my son, Harold.

 

 

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So there you have it folks Aaron Banks - whose money made all this happen says Remain is the better option. Beginning to be a total rout....

 

 

It’s not Brexit , it is a binding treaty and it is designed to see us fail completely as a country. Remain is a better option than this toxic surrender document. You should have been an MP , given that appalling analysis...

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1 hour ago, stephenterry said:

The fact is, the UK is leaving the EU for any number of different reasons, least of all qualified accounts, and therefore the government should shoulder the responsibility. The only one to blame is the UK government if Brexit doesn't meet peoples expectations, not the EU. 

 

I find it continuously amusing that most Brexiteers are always blaming someone else  - in this case, the EU - if things are not working out to their liking.

 

Can't speak for others of course, but I blame the brit. govt. even more than the eu for this fiasco.

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12 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Can't speak for others of course, but I blame the brit. govt. even more than the eu for this fiasco.

I agree with you on more than the EU. But the EU are not blameless in this, IMHO. Fiasco is the word.

 

I suppose some still think we will all be holding hands and singing Khum bai ah. This is only going to cause more division.

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38 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

you should blame the Commons, the real culprit

 

May's deal is worse than remaining in the EU. It is right for parliament to reject it. At least a semblance of sanity prevails now they're taking over to provide indicative ways forward.

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4 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I'd like to agree, but it has to be remembered the vast majority of MPs are remainers.....

So tell me why that should be? Is it because they believe that the Brexit plan falls short of what could be actually good for Britain?

 

Bottom line for me is i can accept leaving the EU but stay in the single market, CU, and ECJ, which wouldn't devastate Britain's economy or businesses. There is a 'EU control' cost to this, but hell, the UK voted to leave, so must bear the consequences.

 

No such thing as a free lunch.

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1 hour ago, Forethat said:

I think you're wrong. I don't think it will take years to implement trade deals with countries currently trading with EU. I think it's basically a formality to clone the existing deals (as indicated by Liam Fox, Secretary State for International Trade). Here's an interesting read: http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/international-trade-committee/the-work-of-the-department-for-international-trade/oral/72941.html  

Cloning might be seen by you as a formality, but if that really was the case, many more - and much more important - ‘deals’ would have been closed than the current ones with the likes of FarOer, Papua New Guinea and the Fiji Islands. And yes, I did read the paper you linked to. Interesting!

What’s left of ‘taking back control’, with cloned/copied EU agreements? They weren’t that bad at all, in hindsight?

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2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

The reasons why MPs are keen on remaining have been posted time and time again - and it has nothing to do with what is 'good for the electorate' - it's all about what is good for them personally......

As you believe we can't trust the MPs to make what you think is the right decision on our future relationship with the EU, including whether or not to cancel the whole thing, you must agree that the only alternative is to let the people make that decision!

 

If not MPs because you don't trust them, if not the people for whatever reason; then who?

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21 minutes ago, KarlS said:

The people have already voted and the majority of MPs were elected on manifestos that promised the people's decision would be implemented. Those MP's who have reneged on their "promise" should be cast out of parliament. 

Not an answer.

 

You don't trust MPs to vote the way you want them to; you wont let the people have the final decision; so who should make that decision?

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1 hour ago, Forethat said:

I think you're wrong. I don't think it will take years to implement trade deals with countries currently trading with EU. I think it's basically a formality to clone the existing deals (as indicated by Liam Fox, Secretary State for International Trade). Here's an interesting read: http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/international-trade-committee/the-work-of-the-department-for-international-trade/oral/72941.html  

I admire your optimism, but Liam Fox is a key minister of a current Tory government which hasn't excelled itself in getting anything implemented as far as Brexit is concerned. While roll-over deals are likely with some countries, currently both Japan and S Korea are stalling and no agreement has been reached as to where they would stand post Brexit. 

 

As I posted above, new major deals could take years before implementation - and it just ain't going to happen overnight. Source: from the USA stats as to how long it takes to fast track new deals - at least one year just to agree a deal, and at least another year to implement the agreement. 

 

Beats me why Britain want to junk the current deals - it just doesn't make sense to start from scratch.

 

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2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Not an answer.

 

You don't trust MPs to vote the way you want them to; you wont let the people have the final decision; so who should make that decision?

The people should make the decision, ask them in a referendum , just one referendum and the Politicians should act/vote the way the people instruct them to .

   Lets have a referendum asking the people and just one referendum  

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2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Not an answer.

 

You don't trust MPs to vote the way you want them to; you wont let the people have the final decision; so who should make that decision?

I do not have an answer but what I do know is that MPs have contrived to make Brexit the most divisive issue ever faced by the UK in modern times. 

Who do you think should make the decision? There is no modern-day precedent for the 'people' enacting law. 

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2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

The people should make the decision, ask them in a referendum , just one referendum and the Politicians should act/vote the way the people instruct them to .

   Lets have a referendum asking the people and just one referendum  

The real issue would have been not to have had an advisory referendum in the first place. Cameron has a lot to answer for. He headed a government that was elected to govern the country and resolve any and all issues arising from Britain's relationship with the EU.

 

By asking the people - who mostly had no idea of any consequences - he knowingly abrogated government's responsibility, and I believe any future referendum would do the same, and for the same reasons. 

 

In other words, it would be a cop out.

 

The best way forward is for parliament to take back control over Brexit this week, and by resolving a way forward using indicative votes, and telling May to get off the pot and action it, or dissolve the government and hold a General Election. 

 

About time, too. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

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1 hour ago, damascase said:

Cloning might be seen by you as a formality, but if that really was the case, many more - and much more important - ‘deals’ would have been closed than the current ones with the likes of FarOer, Papua New Guinea and the Fiji Islands. And yes, I did read the paper you linked to. Interesting!

What’s left of ‘taking back control’, with cloned/copied EU agreements? They weren’t that bad at all, in hindsight?

The reason deals cannot be made is that UK are bound by law to EUs exclusive right to strike trade deals. Thus, UK cannot conclude binding agreements until we have left the EU.

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33 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

I admire your optimism, but Liam Fox is a key minister of a current Tory government which hasn't excelled itself in getting anything implemented as far as Brexit is concerned. While roll-over deals are likely with some countries, currently both Japan and S Korea are stalling and no agreement has been reached as to where they would stand post Brexit. 

 

As I posted above, new major deals could take years before implementation - and it just ain't going to happen overnight. Source: from the USA stats as to how long it takes to fast track new deals - at least one year just to agree a deal, and at least another year to implement the agreement. 

 

Beats me why Britain want to junk the current deals - it just doesn't make sense to start from scratch.

 

I have already addressed the legal issue related to striking trade deals pre-Brexit. It isn't that we can't strike deals in a hasty manner to secure UK trade, it is our obligations to EU law that prevents us to do it in the first place.

 

 

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