Despite report findings, almost half of Americans think Trump colluded with Russia: Reuters/Ipsos poll

[attrayant]

6 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I don't like any politicians but it is obvious the media favors some over others. But nothing.

 

 

The ridiculous statement is that "the American public [are] being led by the nose by a biased media campaign against [Trump]."  I have a bit more confidence in the public to be able to see the difference between opinion, "newsertainment" and objective reporting.  And if they can't, then it's the public who are the problem.  People should be listening to a broad assortment of news media - not just Fox "News" or CNN.

 

[attrayant]

2 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Here's an idea why don't they stop hating their president 

 

Because he does things worthy of hatred.  I love these easy questions.

[Kieran00001]

34 minutes ago, ShortTimed said:

 

Thats just American humor.
She was having fun with you but it went over your head.

 

 

Perhaps you could explain the joke.

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Despite report findings, almost half of Americans think Trump colluded with Russia:

That’s what happens, when you spend your entire presidency telling people any reports you don’t like are “fake news”. 

 

They start to believe any news that doesn’t conform to their preconceived notions must be fake. 

 

You reap as you sow. 

[ShortTimed]

 

Perhaps you could explain the joke.

 

Geneticists now say they have actually identified the gene for humor but as a result of various mutations not everyone has it.

[ShortTimed]

That’s what happens, when you spend half your presidency telling people any reports you don’t like are “fake news”. 

 

They start to believe any news that doesn’t conform to their preconceived notions must be fake. 

 

You reap as you sow. 

 

Yep.

If you dig deep enough Trump is always at fault...Lol

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, ShortTimed said:

 

Yep.

If you dig deep enough Trump is always at fault...Lol

He has made the bed he now lies in. 

[seajae]

half of US citizens, I take it that is all the democrats that are still p*ssed of trump won legally and refuse to accept it, shows the depth of their bias and just how pathetic they are when a 2 year investigation doesnt find what they wanted it too, guess they will have to make up some other excuse now

[ShortTimed]

He has made the bed he now lies in. 

He seems to be up and about and getting work done.

[Chomper Higgot]

‘Despite Report Findings’.

 

Barr’s letter is not the report.

 

Show us the report.

 

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

[55Jay]

 

50 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

and over half of Americans are as thick as a plank ,when i was there i found them very nice ,but so many were ,to be polite dim. I remember talking to a very nice lady who asked where i came from ,i told her England , "oh thats in Paris isnt it""?

Reckon she'd be astounded by the proficiency at which you mangle the written word. 

 

I'm sure you're a nice guy though. ????

[tlandtday]

33 minutes ago, ShortTimed said:

 

Yep.

If you dig deep enough Trump is always at fault...Lol

Like Stalin said "show me the man and I will show you the crime".

[Chomper Higgot]

50 minutes ago, tlandtday said:

Like Stalin said "show me the man and I will show you the crime".

We can see the ‘man’, show us the report!

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, ShortTimed said:

 

Geneticists now say they have actually identified the gene for humor but as a result of various mutations not everyone has it.

 

Shall we take that as you cannot explain what you find funny about someone asking if the UK is in Paris?

 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, YetAnother said:

trump's ties to Russia are well documented and go way back; they even bailed him out financially when he was desperate

and? none of that is unlawful.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Guitarzan said:

 

Why didn't Mueller know that?  LOL!  

Let reserve judgement until we hear from Robert De Niro, Alex Baldwin, and Barbara Streisand. 

Oh, I'd love to have been the proverbial fly on De Niro's wall when he heard the result! Sure to have been most entertaining.

[alex8912]

4 hours ago, DoctorG said:

CNN just did a poll asking what were the main things that will affect your 2020 voting. Immigration came out top at 20% and the Russian issue came out at 0%.

So, just like in 2016, it is best to place little validity on poll results.

Elizabeth Warren ( who I’m not a fan of) just was on a clip on TMZ ( you can find it easily anywhere) running for a train in Penn station on route to DC. The train was now going to be 5 min late so the reporter did catch up to her. She made a comment of recently touring 12 states and Puerto Rico. The guy asked her about the Mueller report and she says “ you know, I just spent two days in New Hampshire and didn’t receive even one question on it!” She went on to say what people have on their mind in the USA.  HMM 

Some  TVF members are always soo loud and trying to CONTROL the conversation but never really have the knack to tap into what is really important to the real general American public.  

I’ll be back in the states after Songkran for 6 months and socialise a lot in Boston where I live and NYC where I visit a lot. Most dinner conversations and bar banter,  even in Cambridge MA, across from Harvard University,  regarding the USA and world news will be completely different than what some poster in Pattaya or somewhere ( who is just searching all over the internet for links that support his own beliefs) seem to be obsessed with. It’s a big world out there and key board warriors need to get  off their butts and learn reality. 

As you said in your post above be very scepticle about ANY polls. It doesn’t matter where they come from. 

[ThaiBunny]

Let's face it, one third of Americans believe in alien abductions and flying saucers

[mike787]

...and what if he did?  What if he didn't?  Who cares.  If you know the truth, WHAT are YOU and your army going to do about it????

[from the home of CC]

so half think he's guilty, does that mean the other half are going to vote him in for another four?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

Minds of Americans made up long before report released.

 

I want to see and read the report, not just Barr's likely partisan summary of it, before drawing any opinions.

 

Not only to see what Mueller found and didn't find on particular issues and why, but also to see what issues/areas his report addressed at all.

 

For example, there's a substantial issue/question regarding Trump's business and financial ties with Russia and Russian interests that certainly could address a different kind of collusion/compromise -- economic/financial rather than election-political.

 

But right now, it's not at all clear how much if at all Mueller got into that in his report. And especially if  he didn't, it seems as though the financial/economic compromise/influence issue should and will be examined by the ongoing House investigations into whether Trump has been compromised by Russian interests.

 

Mueller's main mandate was to examine the issue of potential collusion between the Russians and Trump and the Trump campaign regarding the 2016 election. But obviously that took Mueller off into tangents regarding illegal, foreign lobbying and influence activities by various of Trump's cohorts that apparently didn't bear directly on the 2016 election. So it will be interesting to see if his actual report deals at all with the financial/economic issues regarding Trump himself and Russia.

 

[simple1]

11 minutes ago, 55Jay said:

You have any original thoughts of your own or did you copy/paste this without attribution because it represents perfectly, the tone and tenor or your own thoughts about Trump supporters? 

 

Why didn't you copy/paste in the first paragraph?  Not that I think it makes a great deal of difference, because this is just a rant by an old guy targeting like-minded people and the younger set (Sigh.  So.... - yeah, he did).  But, that first para at least offers a bit of context and the appearance of disingenuous, attempted understanding.  Did you think it diluted the provocative tone of the rant or something? 

 

Based on what I've written so far, what do you think - am I a MAGA/Trump supporter? 

 

First para of the Castro rant below in quote box, link underneath.  Check out his FB page, quite the science fiction writer.  His rant does touch and goes through the MSM echo chamber as well - no problem for me, he's an author, gotta satisfy the target audience.

 

https://thinkwingradio.com/2019/01/13/another-anguished-post-from-a-trump-supporter-why-do-liberals-think-trump-supporters-are-stupid-by-adam-troy-castro-october-2-2018/

The member provided the attribution at the end of his post. BTW you seem to have missed the author's conclusion...

 

What you don’t get, Trump supporters in 2018, is that succumbing to frustration and thinking of you as stupid may be wrong and unhelpful, but it’s also…hear me…charitable.

Because if you’re NOT stupid, we must turn to other explanations, and most of them are *less* flattering.

 

 

[howbri]

With the Marxist MSM media constantly attacking him 24/7-365, what would one expect? But DT keeps on building the American economy, keeps on keeping us safer than before and must keep on BUILDING THE WALL. 2020  will be a landslide for Trump against the deep state and marxist media.

[55Jay]

Just now, simple1 said:

The member provided the attribution at the end of his post. BTW you seem to have missed the author's conclusion...

 

What you don’t get, Trump supporters in 2018, is that succumbing to frustration and thinking of you as stupid may be wrong and unhelpful, but it’s also…hear me…charitable.

Because if you’re NOT stupid, we must turn to other explanations, and most of them are *less* flattering.

No, I didn't miss it.  Thanks.///

 

[riclag]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

Trump's approval rating got a slight boost, with 43 percent of Americans saying they approved of his performance in office, the highest he has polled so far this year and an increase of 4 percentage points compared to a similar poll last week.

Nov 2-5 2016 he had a approval of 36% and was elected President

[rumak]

you can take the guy out of america....but you can't take america out of the guy.   politics......godddddddddddd      even TV can't escape this nonsense

 

have a singha or some jazmine tea and just try to enjoy life and stop arguing about things ya'll have no

idea about ,   and certainly no control over.  

 

there's a well known quote about  change and acceptance.    do your googling , maybe it will sink in

[johnnybangkok]

35 minutes ago, 55Jay said:

You have any original thoughts of your own or did you copy/paste this without attribution because it represents perfectly, the tone and tenor or your own thoughts about Trump supporters? 

 

Why didn't you copy/paste in the first paragraph?  Not that I think it makes a great deal of difference, because this is just a rant by an old guy targeting like-minded people and the younger set (Sigh.  So.... - yeah, he did).  But, that first para at least offers a bit of context and the appearance of disingenuous, attempted understanding.  Did you think it diluted the provocative tone of the rant or something? 

 

Based on what I've written so far, what do you think - am I a MAGA/Trump supporter? 

 

First para of the Castro rant below in quote box, link underneath.  Check out his FB page, quite the science fiction writer.  His rant does touch and goes through the MSM echo chamber as well - no problem for me, he's an author, gotta satisfy the target audience.

 

https://thinkwingradio.com/2019/01/13/another-anguished-post-from-a-trump-supporter-why-do-liberals-think-trump-supporters-are-stupid-by-adam-troy-castro-october-2-2018/

I have plenty of 'original thought' regarding Trump as many on TV will testify to. I've tried on numerous occasions to fight fire with fact only for it to literally bounce off most Trump fans in a deluge of 'get over it, he won' and 'but, but Hilary'.

I came across this a couple of weeks ago and it eloquently put what I have been thinking about Trump fans for quite some time and I thought it appropriate to remind some of them that a small victory in the Mueller investigation does little to mitigate the literally hundreds of other instances when this sad excuse for a man has dragged the office of POTUS in to the gutter.  

As pointed out by Simple1 (above), I think the conclusion of this again sums up my own thoughts as you have to be really stupid not to see through this snake oil salesman but I actually think that most of his fans are not stupid which then begs the issue of their own, questionable moral and prejudicial character.

The American President and by association the American people are the laughing stock of the world. And the continued defense of this abomination on the grounds of 'but the economy' does little to persuade anyone that these 'fans' are either choosing to be willfully ignorant or they themselves are a bit racist, a bit xenophobic, a bit homophobic and a bit misogynistic.      

[Lacessit]

9 hours ago, ShortTimed said:

 

 That almost 50% also reported they would have had complete trust in the investigation as long as it had found Trump guilty.

 

 Investigations appear to serve no greater purpose than to provide confirmational bias to our prejudices.

 

50:50 whether he did or didn't. Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence. Some of the people in his campaign did collude.

IMHO the person who comes out of this with credibility is Mueller, despite all the Twitter abuse heaped on him by Trump. At least Mueller knows how to keep his mouth shut.

[ShortTimed]

50:50 whether he did or didn't. Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence. Some of the people in his campaign did collude. IMHO the person who comes out of this with credibility is Mueller, despite all the Twitter abuse heaped on him by Trump. At least Mueller knows how to keep his mouth shut.

 

 

Well atleast this is a fresh defense:

Trump is guilty but Mueller is a good guy and keeping a secret for some reason.

 

Why did Trump need to collude with Putin again?

And why did Putin need to collude with Trump?

 

Why would they not be equally successful pursuing their common yet individual goal of keeping HC out of office by simply working independently?

 

Haha!

Yes, no one has ever accused Trump of keeping his mouth shut.

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, ShortTimed said:

 

Well atleast this is a fresh defense:

Trump is guilty but Mueller is a good guy and keeping a secret for some reason.

 

Why did Trump need to collude with Putin again?

And why did Putin need to collude with Trump?

 

Why would they not be equally successful pursuing their common yet individual goal of keeping HC out of office by simply working independently?

 

Haha!

Yes, no one has ever accused Trump of keeping his mouth shut.

I'm not defending anybody. When Americans and non-Americans alike see what has happened at Helsinki, two summits with NK, and with MBS, I think we can be excused for wondering who Trump is really representing.

Perhaps we need a substitute word for realpolitik. Disingenpolitik, perhaps?