Phalang Pracharat won popular vote: EC

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Phalang Pracharat won popular vote: EC

By The Nation 

 

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The Election Commission (EC) on Thursday released the general election results, saying the pro-junta Phalang Pracharat won the most votes at over 8.4 million, while Pheu Thai came second with 7.9 million votes.
 

The press conference came as a surprise after much pressure was put on the agency to disclose the figures.

 

Future Forward came third with 6.2 million votes, beating the Democrats with just 3.9 million votes.

 

Coming fifth was Bhumjaithai with 3.7 million votes.

 

The turnout rate was 74.7 per cent. Of more than 51 million registered voters, 38.2 million took part in the election.

 

Over 2.1 million ballots or 5.5 per cent were deemed spoiled, according to the EC.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30366711

 



-- © Copyright The Nation 2019-03-28

[sjaak327]

Oh boy, the figures don't add up with what they previously announced, the turnout at 94% was 65% now all of a sudden it went up with almost 10%. 

 

Did they simply add a few more ballots that don't match with a registered voter ?

[BobBKK]

NO PTP + FFP won popular vote = 14.1m  +++ and they have 255 of the 500 seats and first thing to do?  SACK the 250 unelected bootlickers  

 

 

Edited March 28, 2019 by BobBKK

[cornishcarlos]

An Ice Age is needed to clear out these dinosaurs... 

[gunderhill]

I understand none of this, whose  bloody well won? and won as in who is  going to be IN CHARGE.

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

Oh boy, the figures don't add up with what they previously announced, the turnout at 94% was 65% now all of a sudden it went up with almost 10%. 

 

Did they simply add a few more ballots that don't match with a registered voter ?

No idea but it certainly is strange that 65% vs almost 75%. Was it the EC who said 65% before ? 

 

Could be cheating, could be the usual Thai incompetence or bad reporting. 

[webfact]

Thailand's pro-army party won popular vote, opposition second - election commission

 

Uttama Savanayana, Palang Pracharat Party leader, holds a news conference after the general election in Bangkok, Thailand, March 27, 2019. REUTERS/Soe Zeya Tun/File Photo

 

BANGKOK (Reuters) - Thailand's pro-army Palang Pracharat Party won the popular vote in Sunday's general election with 8.4 million ballots, the Election Commission said on Thursday as it released unofficial results of the first election since a military coup in 2014.

 

The main opposition Pheu Thai Party, whose elected government was toppled in the coup, got 7.9 million votes, said Krit Urwongse, deputy secretary-general of the Election Commission.

 

The results represented 100 percent of the ballots counted but would remain unofficial until final results are announced on May 9.

 

The commission has not announced the full number of seats for each party in the 500-seat House of Representatives.

 

Results for the lower house's 350 directly elected "constituent seats" showed Pheu Thai with 137 and the Palang Pracharat with 97.

 

The remaining 150 House of Representatives seats are allocated according to a complex formula involving the total number of votes for each party.

 

However, parties have been calculating their share of the allocated seats based on partial results, and both Palang Pracharat and Pheu Thai have claimed they have a mandate to form the next government.

 

(Writing by Kay Johnson)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-03-28

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Yes it's just incompetence or bad reporting.

 

If you look at the numbers of votes for the parties its not much different from when they reported the 65% turnout. A 10% extra turnout should have resulted in far higher amounts compared to the early reports. I don't see that so I keep my options open.  

[sjaak327]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

If you look at the numbers of votes for the parties its not much different from when they reported the 65% turnout. A 10% extra turnout should have resulted in far higher amounts compared to the early reports. I don't see that so I keep my options open.  

Did they post the full results somewhere, in the article they only mention the top parties. This whole saga stinks beyond believe. 

 

What I do know is that at 94% the total number of votes was about 33 million, now they tally up to over 38 million. I am missing a few votes here and there. Also over 2 million invalidated ballots, that's a very high number. But I think they reported that already at 94%

Edited March 28, 2019 by sjaak327

[robblok]

1 minute ago, sjaak327 said:

Did they post the full results somewhere, in the article they only mention the top parties. This whole saga stinks beyond believe. 

If you look at the numbers in the other topics you see that the amount of votes for PTP and junta party are still the same as then (minor differences) 10% of the votes is 5 million. I did not notice huge changes in numbers since those results.  Just go back in the topics on the election day when 90-95% was counted. Those numbers are not that much different then these numbers.. there certainly is not a 5 million votes difference.

[smedly]

They may have won the most votes but do not hold a majority because no other party is willing to form a government with them - that means any other group of parties that can form a majority should be free to do so  

[sjaak327]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

If you look at the numbers in the other topics you see that the amount of votes for PTP and junta party are still the same as then (minor differences) 10% of the votes is 5 million. I did not notice huge changes in numbers since those results.  Just go back in the topics on the election day when 90-95% was counted. Those numbers are not that much different then these numbers.. there certainly is not a 5 million votes difference.

10% of the votes isn't 5 million, we are not taking people into account that never voted Rob !

 

There is no way that with only 6% of the votes still to be counted, that the turnout can rise with almost 10%. This stinks, the numbers do NOT add up. 

 

I cannot find the full results now, but at 94% the numbers totalled around 32-33 million, now all of a sudden we have over 38 million votes, that's not 6% rob, not even close. 

Edited March 28, 2019 by sjaak327

[Cadbury]

32 minutes ago, webfact said:

Phalang Pracharat won popular vote:

Phalang Pracharat Party PURCHASED the popular vote using Thai Niyom taxpayers funds.

[Thailand]

The EC just doing what they have been doing since 2014 bending over for the military, No shame I guess.

[kotsak]

[madmitch]

Of course had Pheu Thai stood in the 100 seats where they didn't submit a candidate their "popular vote" would be higher.

 

As an aside, do any other countries simply dissolve entire political parties due to alleged rule-breaking?

[Denim]

There are three kinds of lies :

 

1) Lies

2) Damned Lies

3) Statistics

 

The Junta are masters of all.

[holy cow cm]

No one even remotely believes this to be possible. Take away the military votes that were more than likely forced from scare tactics and looking over their shoulders, and then the possible ballot stuffing, vote buying out in the open, and there would not even be enough for them to make 2 million at best. Now it is time for a full investigation of corruption and maybe void this election as invalid. 

[tx22cb]

The only reason Phuea Thai (PT) got fewer votes is because PT put up candidates in only about 250 constituencies - the other 100 constituencies were "allocated" to their sister party, which got banned at the last minute (too late for PT to field new candidates).

That is why Prayuth dare not call for a new election - PT would contest all 350 constituencies and win even more handsomely.

[holy cow cm]

Such hogwash. Just like there was no watch scandal in the end since they got the majority of the judges votes invalidated the 3 against him thus clearing him of no wrong doing. 

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[pookiki]

It's more than ironic that the junta drafted constitution was designed to make the popular vote meaningless and now the junta party is claiming victory because it won the 'popular' vote!  Secondly, the number of 'spoiled' ballots is extremely high.  All the spoiled ballots need to be examined to determine if a voter's intent is clear in marking the ballot.  Unless, there is a coalition of parties with a sum of greater than 275 MPs then this election is all window dressing with the 250 junta appointed senators.

Edited March 28, 2019 by pookiki
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[robblok]

14 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

10% of the votes isn't 5 million, we are not taking people into account that never voted Rob !

 

There is no way that with only 6% of the votes still to be counted, that the turnout can rise with almost 10%. This stinks, the numbers do NOT add up. 

 

I cannot find the full results now, but at 94% the numbers totalled around 32-33 million, now all of a sudden we have over 38 million votes, that's not 6% rob, not even close. 

Yes 10% of the votes is 5 million cant you count ?

 

It went up from 65% to 75% = 10% there are 51 million registered voters 

 

You are not understanding what I am saying. If you look at the numbers posted for votes for the parties at the days of the voting and after. Those numbers are NOT 5 million lower then now. They are actually quite close together. 

af

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According to data provided by the EC’s Rapid Report system, the pro-junta Phalang Pracharat Party appeared to have won the election with over 7.5 million votes, while Pheu Thai came in a close second with 7.1 million votes after counting progressed to 93 per cent on Sunday night.

 

 

So when they were talking about 65% turnout they already ahd 7.5 milion for junta party and 7.1 for PTP.   Now if we ad 5 million the 10% increase  numbers would be much higher then the 1.5 million increase between the numbers

 

The Election Commission (EC) on Thursday released the general election results, saying the pro-junta Phalang Pracharat won the most votes at over 8.4 million, while Pheu Thai came second with 7.9 million votes.

 

SO that is far from a 10% increase.. so that is why i doubt the reporting as they had these numbers all when they said only 65% voted now at 75%  the amount of extra votes just dont show a 10% increase. 

 

So I am not sure what is the problem but it could be just a stupid reporting error.

Edited March 28, 2019 by robblok

[robblok]

Cant seem to get the formatting good, but at 65% they had 7.5 junta and 7.1 PTP and now at 75% they have 8.4 junta and 7.9 PTP. That is a difference of 1.5 million votes.

 

Just does not match up with 10% increase (5 million votes) as there are 51 eligible voters.

 

So you can say what you want, i still think calculation errors are possible won't be the first time.

[worgeordie]

50 minutes ago, webfact said:

Over 2.1 million ballots or 5.5 per cent were deemed spoiled, according to the EC.

That seems a hell of a lot,wonder who they voted for ?, hanging chads ?
 

regards worgeordie

[sjaak327]

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yes 10% of the votes is 5 million cant you count ?

 

It went up from 65% to 75% = 10% there are 51 million registered voters 

 

You are not understanding what I am saying. If you look at the numbers posted for votes for the parties at the days of the voting and after. Those numbers are NOT 5 million lower then now. They are actually quite close together. 

af

10% of the votes=3.8 million. People that don't vote, will not get counted rob, you cannot count what isn't there. 

 

at 94% of the votes counted, we had 32. something million votes, now at 100% we have 38 million votes. Something does not add up. 

 

Maybe the 94% was a bogus number, but it seems the EC has trouble getting their numbers right and believeable. 

Edited March 28, 2019 by sjaak327

[sammieuk1]

Umm 25.3% did not bother to vote bullshit and 5.5% muck up the vote 2.1m void votes out of 38.2m astounding the clear winner is fraud fraud fraud????

[robblok]

10 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

10% of the votes=3.8 million. People that don't vote, will not get counted rob, you cannot count what isn't there. 

 

at 94% of the votes counted, we had 32. something million votes, now at 100% we have 38 million votes. Something does not add up. 

 

Maybe the 94% was a bogus number, but it seems the EC has trouble getting their numbers right and believeable. 

That their numbers are not believable is true. They are all over the place but your numbers are also not believable. 

 

The turnout rate was 74.7 per cent. Of more than 51 million registered voters, 38.2 million took part in the election.

 

Your making a huge mistake, turnout rate is based on a percentage of registered voters 

51 million registered voters = 100%  so a 10% increase is 5.1 million extra votes not 3.8 million.

 

38.2 = 74.7%  not 100% so you made a mistake its basic math. Just read again and you will see I am right. 

 

[sjaak327]

5 minutes ago, robblok said:

That their numbers are not believable is true. They are all over the place but your numbers are also not believable. 

 

 

 

 

Your making a huge mistake, turnout rate is based on a percentage of registered voters 

51 million registered voters = 100%  so a 10% increase is 5.1 million extra votes not 3.8 million.

 

38.2 = 74.7%  not 100% so you made a mistake its basic math. Just read again and you will see I am right. 

 

We are both saying the same thing Rob, at 94% they counted 33 million votes, at 100% they counted 5 million more. Hence, they didn't really report votes at 94% but at a lower percentage. They suck at estimating their own counts. 

 

Wikipedia is now listing the full results, seems the PTP coalition lost two seats, and is now at 253, at least Prayuth can not count on a majority in the lower house, great news. 

Edited March 28, 2019 by sjaak327

[rkidlad]

It seems no matter how much the pro-democracy party play by the unfair rules and still come out ahead, the more the junta will keep on shamelessly cheating and moving the goal posts. 

 

It’s very clear that they plan on it being Prayut in full control or another coup. What a waste of five years. 

[thequietman]

28 minutes ago, pookiki said:

It's more than ironic that the junta drafted constitution was designed to make the popular vote meaningless and now the junta party is claiming victory because it won the 'popular' vote!  Secondly, the number of 'spoiled' ballots is extremely high.  All the spoiled ballots need to be examined to determine if a voter's intent is clear in marking the ballot.  Unless, there is a coalition of parties with a sum of greater than 275 MPs then this election is all window dressing with the 250 junta appointed senators.

Correct sir, the popular vote counts for nothing and they, the junta, removed it for fear of PT getting it. Now that they have been beaten, they are trying to move the goal posts. ????