Brexit deadlocked again: British parliament fails to find an alternative

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Forget the 'huge areas'. This very real sense of a weakened "advantage, or control" is no more starkly illuminated than by the prevaricating, self-entitled indolence of the current generation of UK parliamentarians. Brussels and Strasbourg has been slowly emasculating the national governments of the EU member nations for decades; that's their whole raison d'être. While Tusk and Juncker wait patiently for Westminster to make up its mind, Macron lashes out as he witnesses French national pride raging against the perpetual weakening and downgrading of his nations global standing and importance.

 

Only the likes of Ken Clarke and others who have truly 'been there, done that' seem to have any grasp of the stark realities here. It appears that the most common reason to stay being cited by Remainers is, 'If we leave the EU, I won't be able to travel around Europe as easily.'

 

You have been around long enough to know that truncating posts to deliberately change the context is out of order.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt here, that you did understand the context, didn't like it and tried to introduce your own agenda.

[tebee]

Most  people and leaver in particular seem to like to stay within their UK comfort bubble. If you want a more impartial view of what is happening in the UK now you need to look from outside as others see us.

 

 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/02/opinion/brexit-news.html

 

Both Conservative and Labour members of Parliament keep voting down one plan after another, looking for the perfect fix, the pain-free exit from the E.U. But there is none, because you can’t fix stupid.

 

The entire Brexit choice was presented to the public in 2016 with utterly misleading simplicity. It was sold with a pack of lies about both the size of the benefits and the ease of implementation, and it continues to be pushed by Conservative hard-liners who used to care about business but are now obsessed with restoring Britain’s “sovereignty” over any economic considerations.

[Laughing Gravy]

15 minutes ago, david555 said:

The only pattern I see is your U.K. circling in rounds .

I was referring that as a member the U.K.. voted and even designed E.U. laws .Even in future your H.O.C . has a big job to make many of those become U.K. laws and I assume you can not just rubber stamp them ,U.K. ones  and need to follow your legal procedures …. with at that moment chances for amendments made by different MP's … so you go be buzzy a while …. lucky we as E.u. have nothing to do whit that (hopefully …)

Wishing those poor MP's strength  

Them poor MP's as you say are not poor in the wealth sense or in any other. They are self serving and not serving the people or we wouldn't, as you rightly mention' circling in rounds'. They do not represent their constituents (most don't). One good thing from all this, is that people can actually see the way the political system is or certainly represented by the MP's.

 

So you have MP's who are putting amendments to prevent a democratic referendum result. These parasites should be locked up IMO and are doing a disservice to the UK people and the political system they are supposedly representing.

[sawadee1947]

34 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

If you are taklking of treaties like the Lisbon, Rome and Maastricht treaty yes the people were lied to by PM's and politicians. It is justifiable to rectify a wrong. Hence 17.4 million votes in the referendum. It is a shame the other EU countries who were also lied to and didn't get a chance.

 

I forgot some did but they either were told to vote again or ignored. Can you see the pattern.

Everything you can't except is simply a lie?? 500 Million people lied to you? Poor man.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 minute ago, sawadee1947 said:

Everything you can't except is simply a lie?? 500 Million people lied to you? Poor man.

Oh dear my Gaelic isn't up to scratch. Can you say that In English please. Queens English if possible, so I can really comprehend.

[david555]

7 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Them poor MP's

Was sarcastic way meant , forgot emoji

[sawadee1947]

12 minutes ago, tebee said:

obsessed with restoring Britain’s “sovereignty” over any economic considerations.

oh, thank you. You can read this in many leading news papers on the continent, they are longing still for their lost empire......"make Britain great again". 

[Laughing Gravy]

Just now, sawadee1947 said:

oh, thank you. You can read this in many leading news papers on the continent, they are longing still for their lost empire......"make Britain great again". 

It will be Eire who suffers the most from these economic considerations but like they have had for the last number of years they will continue to get handouts. But for how long.

[sawadee1947]

Just now, Laughing Gravy said:

Oh dear my Gaelic isn't up to scratch. Can you say that In English please. Queens English if possible, so I can really comprehend.

next time, sure. I will have to bend down to you though it's aching. In the meantime you have to suffer from my .....pathetic English. And.....remember...I don't have a queen. I prefer her husband's English. He's of German Origin! Heil!

[sawadee1947]

Just now, Laughing Gravy said:

It will be Eire who suffers the most from these economic considerations but like they have had for the last number of years they will continue to get handouts. But for how long.

As long there is EU.......up to United States of Europe with Angela Merkel as Chancellor?

[bomber]

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

It will be Eire who suffers the most from these economic considerations but like they have had for the last number of years they will continue to get handouts. But for how long.

With you lot its always someone else who will suffer be it italy..spain..eire..germany.. yet all the predictions from anyone neutral say otherwise,your like school kids in a playground yet are supposed to be bulldogs and fighters,will you bubble your eyes out when your dream is over? I think so

[Laughing Gravy]

3 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

next time, sure. I will have to bend down to you though it's aching. In the meantime you have to suffer from my .....pathetic English. And.....remember...I don't have a queen. I prefer her husband's English. He's of German Origin! Heil!

Well you have surpassed yourself. I have better things to do and have a spat with you. Luckily my Irish cousins are a lot less 'cultchy'.  Also whilst patriotic and want a united Ireland, are still intelligent to know that the EU are taking Ireland and the rest of the EU for a ride.

 

I never said your English was pathetic, that was you.

No you don't have a Queen, you have 5 EU presidents who are quite happy to shaft your countrymen.

 

 

 

[Laughing Gravy]

8 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

As long there is EU.......up to United States of Europe with Angela Merkel as Chancellor?

As you have said  heil. I will add the Ziek.

 

11 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

He's of German Origin! Heil!

You have inadvertently described the EU project. It is the domination of Europe by the Germans. The last time was by the Nazis this time by the EU. Congratulations.

[sawadee1947]

Just now, Laughing Gravy said:

EU are taking Ireland and the rest of the EU for a ride.

who believes this can't be intelligent.

There are laws made by 27, and 27 voters. So everything is going it's democratic way. It's not for an advantage of a specific country but for the benefit of a community.

[sawadee1947]

Just now, Laughing Gravy said:

As you have said  heil. I will add the Ziek.

 

You have inadvertently described the EU project. It is the domination of Europe by the Germans. The last time was by the Nazis this time by the EU. Congratulations.

well, at that time the majority of Germans voted for a war......and lost. This time the "majority" of British people voted for leave.......and lost (but still fighting)

[Laughing Gravy]

5 minutes ago, bomber said:

With you lot its always someone else who will suffer be it italy..spain..eire..germany.. yet all the predictions from anyone neutral say otherwise,your like school kids in a playground yet are supposed to be bulldogs and fighters,will you bubble your eyes out when your dream is over? I think so

I feel another bulldog picture coming on. Please don't, you are even annoying remainers, as you make them look bad.

 

Predictions, we have heard them all before. We are also still waiting for a vast majority to happen after 3 years and after the referendum result. It is tiresome and boring.

 

Anyway that is my quota for the week already for replying to bomber. I have surpassed my quota of two. I will reply again next week. Promise.

[bomber]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well you have surpassed yourself. I have better things to do and have a spat with you. Luckily my Irish cousins are a lot less 'cultchy'.  Also whilst patriotic and want a united Ireland, are still intelligent to know that the EU are taking Ireland and the rest of the EU for a ride.

 

I never said your English was pathetic, that was you.

No you don't have a Queen, you have 5 EU presidents who are quite happy to shaft your countrymen.

 

 

 

27 nations being taken for a ride yet none want to get off,spoonies talk to me

[bomber]

59 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I feel another bulldog picture coming on. Please don't, you are even annoying remainers, as you make them look bad.

 

Predictions, we have heard them all before. We are also still waiting for a vast majority to happen after 3 years and after the referendum result. It is tiresome and boring.

 

Anyway that is my quota for the week already for replying to bomber. I have surpassed my quota of two. I will reply again next week. Promise.

iam afraid your not intelligent enough to merit a bulldog picture,but iam temped to award you a union jack onesie though,whats your size?

[Thairealist]

On 4/2/2019 at 4:12 AM, evadgib said:

He's a remainer which is why I didn't comment.

 

Here's Mark Francois speaking after the latest ballsup ????

 

 

Mark Francois speaks very plainly and to the point, a great fellow in my eyes, but whose the other bloke standing next to him on the first video?

[bomber]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well you have surpassed yourself. I have better things to do and have a spat with you. Luckily my Irish cousins are a lot less 'cultchy'.  Also whilst patriotic and want a united Ireland, are still intelligent to know that the EU are taking Ireland and the rest of the EU for a ride.

 

I never said your English was pathetic, that was you.

No you don't have a Queen, you have 5 EU presidents who are quite happy to shaft your countrymen.

 

 

 

luckily 90% of eire folks (a figure i read recently) want to remain in the EU,its seems your cultchy cousins will have a long wait.

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

A sensible response is all that was required. I got a stupid one which really confirms what I stated. You are not from the UK. So once again what gives you the right to tell 17.4 million people they are wrong. That is the third time I have asked. if your English language skills were up to scratch and I don't mean just the poor spelling, as it isn't allowed as a criticism on here. You would have been able to work out when someone is asking you are you from the UK and what nationality you are.

 

I already know but was waiting for some honesty.

 

I'm from the UK

 

The 17.4 were wrong

 

Massively wrong

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, Thairealist said:

 

Treacherouse May is useing every available excuse possible, to not implement the people’s decision. She’s an out and out remainer, from well before the people’s referendum actually took place.

 

 

Why can't brexiters learn that Brexit is a crap idea?

 

The whole world sees this

 

We are now a laughing stock!

 

I'm going to get Brexiter dummies made up ready to stick in coach windows!

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Most of them at the brussels subsidy junkie atm machine!!

 

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You will be there soon

[malagateddy]

Only your opinion

I'm from the UK
 
The 17.4 were wrong
 
Massively wrong

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[malagateddy]

Why..I can take the hit to sterling re exchange rate[emoji6]

You will be there soon

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[tomacht8]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

It will be Eire who suffers the most from these economic considerations but like they have had for the last number of years they will continue to get handouts. But for how long.

If you look at the numbers, it looks like Ireland has overtaken the UK significantly.
UK GDP (nominal) per capita 2017:        39,734
Ireland GDP (nominal) per capita 2017:  70,638
If you take the UK as your base, Ireland has a per capita income that is 77% higher.
Every country has the same framework conditions in the EU.
I do not understand why the UK has slipped so much.
Maybe bad UK politicians and bad UK leadership in the past?
How does it look today?
Who should lead the UK after Brexit?

 

 

Country	Rank	IMF[4] 2017	Rank	WB[5] 2016
Albania	101	4,582	95	4,147
Austria	14	47,289	13	44,177
Belarus	88	5,760	88	4,989
Belgium	18	43,582	17	41,096
Bulgaria	73	8,064	71	7,351
Bosnia and Herzegovina	95	5,148	91	4,709
Croatia	44	13,138	56	12,091
Cyprus	28	24,976	32	23,324
Czech Republic	37	20,152	35	18,267
Denmark	9	56,444	8	53,418
Estonia	38	19,840	37	17,575
European Union	-	n/a	-	n/a
Europe	-	-	-	24,969
Finland	15	46,016	14	43,090
France	21	39,869	23	36,855
Germany	17	44,549	16	41,936
Greece	39	18,637	36	18,104
Hungary	51	15,531	51	12,665
Iceland	5	70,332	5	59,977
Ireland	4	70,638	4	61,607
Italy	25	31,984	27	26,939
Kosovo	-	n/a	-	3,661
Latvia	50	15,547	47	14,118
Liechtenstein	-	n/a	-	-
Lithuania	44	16,730	45	14,880
Luxembourg	1	105,803	1	102,831
North Macedonia	92	5,474	86	5,237
Malta	31	27,250	28	25,058
Moldova	133	2,279	132	1,900
Montenegro	77	7,647	77	6,701
Netherlands	12	48,345	12	45,295
Norway	3	74,940	3	70,813
Poland	55	13,822	53	12,372
Portugal	35	21,161	34	19,813
Romania	54	12,523	59	9,474
Russia	62	10,608	61	8,748
San Marino	-	n/a	-	-
Serbia	87	5,899	84	5,348
Slovakia	42	20,508	39	16,496
Slovenia	34	23,654	32	21,305
Spain	29	28,358	24	28,523
Sweden	11	53,217	10	51,600
Switzerland	2	80,590	2	78,812
Ukraine	129	2,582	126	2,186
United Kingdom	22	39,734	18	39,899

[Scott]

Please remember that any member is welcome to post.   You do not have to be British to post in a Brexit thread,   yo do not have to American to post in a Trump thread.   You don't have to be Catholic to post in a thread about the Catholic Church.   You don't even have to be a Muslim to post in the threads about Islam. 

 

Continuing to make references to members nationality as a way of discouraging them from posting is trolling and can earn you a warning.  

[Grouse]

41 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Why..I can take the hit to sterling re exchange rate

 

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Do try and keep up

 

I give a certain amount of leeway to Brexiters but a little effort in return would be appreciated 

 

To explain: 

 

Our contribution to the EU is calculated using a formula with many variables. Historically we have been a net contributor. It's a good thing that richer member countries pay more to help poorer countries, make them more successful and thus increase OUR target market size.

 

You need a minute to think about that?

 

Right now, the UK is tending downward economically; certainly behind the curve

 

I conclude that our net contribution will fall and may go negative.

 

Pause and think

 

We may end up a net recipient 

 

OK now?

[Nigel Garvie]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

A sensible response is all that was required. I got a stupid one which really confirms what I stated. You are not from the UK. So once again what gives you the right to tell 17.4 million people they are wrong. That is the third time I have asked. if your English language skills were up to scratch and I don't mean just the poor spelling, as it isn't allowed as a criticism on here. You would have been able to work out when someone is asking you are you from the UK and what nationality you are.

I already know but was waiting for some honesty.

 

3 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

Everything you can't except is simply a lie?? 500 Million people lied to you? Poor man.

3 hours ago Laughing Gravy said

Oh dear my Gaelic isn't up to scratch. Can you say that In English please. Queens English if possible, so I can really comprehend.

 

Well well Sawadee misspelt "Accept" and wrote "Except", and you picked him up on it. Precisely what you admitted was not allowed on this forum as you stated in your earlier post, above. " Hoist by his own petard" is the relevant expression here I believe. The word "Péter" (mid 16c if you like the Queens English) meant to break wind, which perfectly sums up your contribution to the discussion today.

 

Note my bold text, and my failure to grasp the multi quote business, I'm working on it.

Edited April 3, 2019 by Nigel Garvie
correction

[Thairealist]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I feel another bulldog picture coming on. Please don't, you are even annoying remainers, as you make them look bad.

 

Predictions, we have heard them all before. We are also still waiting for a vast majority to happen after 3 years and after the referendum result. It is tiresome and boring.

 

Anyway that is my quota for the week already for replying to bomber. I have surpassed my quota of two. I will reply again next week. Promise.

Before the people’s referedum in 2016, the remain side kept telling us that in the event of Briexit, it would not be impossible for Brits to visit the E.U without a visa. In fact one T.V. Member mentioned that his own daughter had voted for remain on the strength of this threat. Since that date, some remainers have continued to spread this false information.

Now we are informed by the E.u that this threat will not be carried out,and that British citizens will be able to visit the E.u for up to 90 days without a visa. Could this decision be credited to the on going news that many Brits are not intending to visit E.u. countries, thus damaging those countries tourist economy.

 

 

UK citizens will not need to apply for a Schengen Visa like many other nationalities. On February 1, 2019, the European Council said: “EU ambassadors today agreed that, following Brexit, UK citizens coming to the Schengen area for a short stay (90 days in any 180 days) should be granted visa-free travel.”