Do you believe in God and why

[giddyup]

11 minutes ago, CMNightRider said:

Joking???  I think not Freddie.  The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer (God) who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.  There are some who believe we evolved from a single cell organism in some mud puddle billions of years ago.  Don't be blinded by Satan.  Go to YouTube and type in "DTBM OnlineVideo Training."  That goes for the rest of you feather merchants as well ????

A million species due for extinction, you call that sustaining?

Edited May 16, 2019 by giddyup

[CMNightRider]

Just now, giddyup said:

A million species due for extinction, you call that sustaining.

Instead of talking out of your wazoo, you would be better off spending a little time viewing the videos in the above mentioned post. ????

[marcusarelus]

4 minutes ago, CMNightRider said:

Instead of talking out of your wazoo, you would be better off spending a little time viewing the videos in the above mentioned post. ????

Is Satin in the videos?  If not I prefer the wazoo talking. 

[giddyup]

3 minutes ago, CMNightRider said:

Instead of talking out of your wazoo, you would be better off spending a little time viewing the videos in the above mentioned post. ????

So you are denying that we are losing species at a rapid rate, oceans are polluted, as is the atmosphere, ice caps melting etc, and yet you say that "god" is sustaining the planet. Methinks someone is in denial.

[giddyup]

11 minutes ago, CMNightRider said:

Instead of talking out of your wazoo, you would be better off spending a little time viewing the videos in the above mentioned post. ????

Not interested in propaganda or dogma. I suggest you watch some of Christopher Hitchens lectures on youtube. He demolishes all the god botherers.

Edited May 16, 2019 by giddyup

[CMNightRider]

1 hour ago, giddyup said:

Not interested in propaganda or dogma. I suggest you watch some of Christopher Hitchens lectures on youtube. He demolishes all the god botherers.

What is interesting about Christopher Hitchens, is he passed away in 2010.  Unfortunately for his followers and Hitchens regarding Hitchens religious beliefs, he now knows the truth.  It is really too bad he can't share what he knows about Jesus Christ and God.  Once you take your last breath it is a done deal.

[Skeptic7]

2 hours ago, CMNightRider said:

Instead of talking out of your wazoo, you would be better off spending a little time viewing the videos in the above mentioned post. ????

Utter drivel. Nonsense and BS. Kidstuff. 

[Skeptic7]

26 minutes ago, CMNightRider said:

What is interesting about Christopher Hitchens, is he passed away in 2010.  Unfortunately for his followers and Hitchens regarding Hitchens religious beliefs, he now knows the truth.  It is really too bad he can't share what he knows about Jesus Christ and God.  Once you take your last breath it is a done deal.

Dead is dead and even the living can't share what does not exist. 

[Skeptic7]

2 hours ago, giddyup said:

So you are denying that we are losing species at a rapid rate, oceans are polluted, as is the atmosphere, ice caps melting etc, and yet you say that "god" is sustaining the planet. Methinks someone is in denial.

Spot on! And let's not forget upwards of 99% of all species that ever existed are now extinct. The nonexistent Creator-Thing is quite a failure, not to mention an egomaniacal, murderous bully a-hole. 

[JTXR]

Of course not.  And for the same reason I don't believe in ghosts or fairies or leprechauns.

 

[Sunmaster]

Oh my, I thought we had reached a nice level of discussion, and now we're back to the bible and Satan. 

Skeptic, where are you?!

[Skeptic7]

46 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Oh my, I thought we had reached a nice level of discussion, and now we're back to the bible and Satan. 

Skeptic, where are you?!

I'm here my son. Always watching. I'm OmniTVPresent. ????

[CMNightRider]

It is surprising how anyone can deny God exists when you see a baby.  The amount of information encrypted in one cell in the human body is equal to 1,000 books.  The total amount of information stored in your DNA is 40 times more than the largest set of encyclopaedias in the world.  Does this sound like something that evolved from nothing?  I think not my little feather merchants.

 

Nature is full of quantifiable miracles.  The earth is the perfect distance from the sun to support life.  If we were any farther away from the sun, we would freeze.  If we were even slightly closer to the sun, we would burn up.  Does this sounds like something that happened on its own?  Of course not, it's obvious God created this home for us.  

 

Jesus is not an illusive fairy tale.  Jesus is the living, breathing, touchable Son of God.  You can believe there are no atheist in Hell.  Everyone there knows Jesus died for our sins, and God created the universe.  The unfortunate part, is these people rejected this gift of life to spend an eternity in Hell.  Don't be silly and make this same mistake.

[mauGR1]

2 hours ago, CMNightRider said:

Jesus is not an illusive fairy tale.

While i regard the life and the words of Jesus as a wonderful spiritual teaching, i would take the Old Testament with a grain of salt ( one could blame the translation for the inconsistencies, but also some willing manipulation)

Let's say i give the Bible the same credit as the Greek mythology, or the Hindu and other mythologies.

All those miracles, and flying prophets and gods (or demigods), are they super-humans, or ET, or some lost technology ? Surely some could be metaphors, but maybe not.

Some will say those are "fairy tales", but i am not satisfied with that.

[CMNightRider]

1 minute ago, mauGR1 said:

While i regard the life and the words of Jesus as a wonderful spiritual teaching, i would take the Old Testament with a grain of salt ( one could blame the translation for the inconsistencies, but also some willing manipulation)

Let's say i give the Bible the same credit as the Greek mythology, or the Hindu and other mythologies.

All those miracles, and flying prophets and gods (or demigods), are they super-humans, or ET, or some lost technology ? Surely some could be metaphors, but maybe not.

Some will say those are "fairy tales", but i am not satisfied with that.

Jesus validated the Old Testament by saying it is the word of God. 

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, CMNightRider said:

Jesus validated the Old Testament by saying it is the word of God. 

That's an answer, but in this age i would expect some critical thinking.

Do you really believe that Jesus flew to the sky after resurrecting ?

I think not, i think he went to some better place.

[Sunmaster]

If I were stuck on a deserted island and I could choose to have only 1 other person with me, I would rather choose an atheist than a religious fundamentalist, without a doubt.
And I'm far from being an atheist.

[CMNightRider]

8 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

That's an answer, but in this age i would expect some critical thinking.

Do you really believe that Jesus flew to the sky after resurrecting ?

I think not, i think he went to some better place.

If Jesus hadn't risen from his death, Christianity would have died right then and there.  Everyone, when they die will knell before Jesus.  The Bible is very clear about what will happen after we die.  We all have a choice to believe or not to believe.  

 

We have until we take our last breath to figure this out.  It only takes about 72 hours to read the Bible.  The website I provided will help you understand the Bible, at least it did for me.  Good luck with your critical thinking. ????  

 

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, CMNightRider said:

If Jesus hadn't risen from his death, Christianity would have died right then and there.  Everyone, when they die will knell before Jesus.  The Bible is very clear about what will happen after we die.  We all have a choice to believe or not to believe.  

 

We have until we take our last breath to figure this out.  It only takes about 72 hours to read the Bible.  The website I provided will help you understand the Bible, at least it did for me.  Good luck with your critical thinking. ????  

 

I am very skeptical, so i prefer trying to understand things by myself: while i appreciate your faith in the Bible, i prefer to put my faith in critical thinking.

As Jesus said, Saturday has been made for the man, not the man for Saturday.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎5‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 3:26 PM, Skeptic7 said:

Another absolutely ridiculous, inaccurate blanket statement. The list is LONG why the Abrahamic religions are not only wrong, but "bad" as well...and anyone honest enough to do some honest research could see that, not only atheists.

 

Priests buggering children, while abhorrent, isn't really part of the doctrine...though certainly appears to be a side effect. That is a human animal psychology thing and little to do with the religion itself. (though requiring celibacy from a species that thinks about, desires and needs sex regularly...is highly abnormal and unnatural)

 

 

Assuming you are referring to the Roman Catholic church, that institution has as much in common with the teachings of Jesus as a jellyfish has with a whale, IMO.

Nothing you have said disproves the existence of a higher power than what we can see.

To have faith is beyond the physical.

That someone can look at an amazing sunset, or the stars on a clear night and not have even an inkling of something greater than us is very sad, IMO.

[mauGR1]

21 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

If I were stuck on a deserted island and I could choose to have only 1 other person with me, I would rather choose an atheist than a religious fundamentalist, without a doubt.
And I'm far from being an atheist.

I have many doubts, so if the religious fundamentalist was a nice, healthy woman, with fishing and survival skills, i would give her a chance :))

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

Dead is dead and even the living can't share what does not exist. 

and you KNOW that for a fact, do you?

To know, you would have to have died and come back, and not dead for just for a few minutes.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, giddyup said:

So you are denying that we are losing species at a rapid rate, oceans are polluted, as is the atmosphere, ice caps melting etc, and yet you say that "god" is sustaining the planet. Methinks someone is in denial.

LOL. Why do you think that god is a proactive one? Having created uncountable trillions of stars, and set planets around them, perhaps god is just letting whatever happens happen.

We, and every living thing on planet earth are just a bunch of electrons in formation. When we cease to live, the electrons are just re arranged. The dinosaurs became us after a few million years to allow the electrons to re arrange themselves. News flash, on a cosmic scale, planet earth and everything on it is less than insignificant. Religion is just a means by which humans think they are more important than they are, and that "God" cares about them.

Where most people go wrong, IMO is that they think if they pray to god s/he/it will actually come and help them. Almost every human ever lived asks god to help when they are facing imminent death, but when the Titanic sank, they all died anyway.

 

I am not in any way claiming that I know what god is, but I will not believe that something greater than us does not exist. We, humans, know nothing, even though some of us think we know everything.

[Skeptic7]

And all along we've been led to believe hallucinogenics were illegal here in The Kingdom. I want some of what a few of u dudes are trippin' on! 

[giddyup]

24 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 I am not in any way claiming that I know what god is, but I will not believe that something greater than us does not exist. We, humans, know nothing, even though some of us think we know everything.

Will not believe that something greater than us does not exist suggests that you do believe, so what you have is faith, because I'm sure that you can't offer one iota of proof that there is something greater than us.

Edited May 17, 2019 by giddyup

[Sunmaster]

25 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

And all along we've been led to believe hallucinogenics were illegal here in The Kingdom. I want some of what a few of u dudes are trippin' on! 

Finally something I can agree with you on. ????????

Edited May 17, 2019 by Sunmaster

[Odysseus123]

9 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Finally something I can agree with you on. ????????

Try ergot..

 

That's what the ancient and medieval chaps were probably tripping on..

 

Just ask John of Revelations.

Edited May 17, 2019 by Odysseus123

[Sunmaster]

That's where LSD was synthesized from if I'm not mistaken.
The story of Dr Albert Hoffmann, trying out his discovery for the first time while cycling in Switzerland is very funny.

[notmyself]

12 hours ago, CMNightRider said:

If Jesus hadn't risen from his death, Christianity would have died right then and there.  Everyone, when they die will knell before Jesus.  The Bible is very clear about what will happen after we die.  We all have a choice to believe or not to believe.  

 

We have until we take our last breath to figure this out.  It only takes about 72 hours to read the Bible.  The website I provided will help you understand the Bible, at least it did for me.  Good luck with your critical thinking. ????  

 

 

Resurrection was quite popular at the time and 10s of decades later Christianity was likely to die out with dwindling numbers so another selling point was introduced so as to appeal to the masses, that of virgin birth.

 

Maybe it just my own interest but I'd recommend reading the Bible a number of times because otherwise you don't really understand history. 

 

 

[Elad]

14 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That someone can look at an amazing sunset, or the stars on a clear night and not have even an inkling of something greater than us is very sad, IMO.

This is where all religion stems from - when early man began to wonder about their surroundings, the rising and setting sun, the moon, planets and countless stars were all revolving around us and it made us feel special, that we are the centre of everything and all the universe was there just for us. Most of the celestial bodies were even named after Gods.

Little did they know that we are not the centre of everything, not even the centre of the solar system.

As Carl Sagan said "planet Earth is like a mote of dust in the morning sky"

 

Imagine if we evolved on a planet with a continuous blanket of cloud cover where only day and night was notable, no stars, moon or planets in the night sky, would religion be where it is today?